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Losing by a touchdown every game now seems like the new market
efficiency for the Cubs.

I will never forgive Jed Hoyer and Tom Ricketts for punting this season for no damn reason.
 
Sox offense is REALLY starting to find its groove.

Starts with Abreu and Pollock both finally starting to hit like they usually do. So that right there DOUBLED the amount of dangerous hitters in the lineup(up until then we had been relying on
Vaughn and Robert as the only 2 legit weapons).

So now you’ve got those 4, AND you’ve also got Jake Burger who has recently established himself and needs to start. So that’s 5.

Then you’ve got Tim Anderson, Eloy Jimenez, and Yazzz Grandal(who was starting to swing the bat well) all coming back in the next 7-10 days.

Moncada can round out the lineup and play 3B, 2B or SS.

It’s an elite offense if all these guys stay healthy.

TA SS
Vaughn DH
Robert CF
Abreu 1B
Grandal C
Burger 2B
Moncada 3B
Jimenez LF
Pollock RF

How’s that for a lineup 1-9? Where do you go to get an easy out? Nowhere if all these guys can stay on the field and avoid further injury.
 
Even Josh Harrison is starting to hit now. It's nice to see. Credit where credit is due.

And I don't know about Jake Burger at 2B. He's a mediocre defensive 3B. In suspect he would be even worse at 2B. The Sox need to fix their defensive woes, not increase them.
 
HeisenBaez said:
Losing by a touchdown every game now seems like the new market
efficiency for the Cubs.

I will never forgive Jed Hoyer and Tom Ricketts for punting this season for no damn reason.
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It'll probably be well more than just this year, we're probably talking about a five year period of tanking. Hawks'll be good again before the Cubs, despite previous commitments to be always competitive now that there's a Cubs channel.
 
No Fun Shogun said:
It'll probably be well more than just this year, we're probably talking about a five year period of tanking. Hawks'll be good again before the Cubs, despite previous commitments to be always competitive now that there's a Cubs channel.
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This is the last year tanking makes sense, they can't pick in the top 10 again in 2024.

That said, if the sheep keep filling the place, there's no reason for them to spend.
 
Cubs attendance is way down, and I can only hope that Marquee revenues are in the toilet as well. The Ricketts clearly thought that the Cubs would just print money regardless, so hopefully they pick up on the fact that the shiny luster of 2016 isn't enough to placate an extremely expensive fanbase.

I've said it before, I'll say it again. In a division with three small markets and St. Louis, there is no reason why the Cubs shouldn't be a perennial contender in the NL Central. I get that the smaller markets will have their own small windows of elitehood before the realities of baseball finances makes them lose their cores, and St. Louis will have their own longer windows as well. But the Cubs have Yankees, Red Sox, and Dodgers money. There's no reason for us to not be able to continuously attract, develop, and retain talent, from both draftees and free agents, to keep rebuilding windows small and periods of contention wide open. Alternating between five year periods of good and bad should not be the ceiling for us.
 
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It’s impressive how much fun the Ricketts sucked out of the Cubs and Wrigley. I’m actively rooting against them due to that family.

The declining interest in baseball as a whole doesn’t help, but there isn’t even a tiny part of me that will even consider catching a game even on a perfect day when I’m in town visiting family.
 
I will say that I have joked to my wife that the Cubs being bad should mean that we could get cheapo tickets on the resale market for an annual game, so my dumbass is part of the problem.

I'm clearly a bigger baseball fan than a hockey fan. I can still get excited about going to see a bad Cubs team, but at this point I couldn't even imagine paying a dollar to go see the Hawks right now. May e if it didn't involve a trek up from Bloomington-Normal, but I don't know.
 
No Fun Shogun said:
Cubs attendance is way down, and I can only hope that Marquee revenues are in the toilet as well. The Ricketts clearly thought that the Cubs would just print money regardless, so hopefully they pick up on the fact that the shiny luster of 2016 isn't enough to placate an extremely expensive fanbase.

I've said it before, I'll say it again. In a division with three small markets and St. Louis, there is no reason why the Cubs shouldn't be a perennial contender in the NL Central. I get that the smaller markets will have their own small windows of elitehood before the realities of baseball finances makes them lose their cores, and St. Louis will have their own longer windows as well. But the Cubs have Yankees, Red Sox, and Dodgers money. There's no reason for us to not be able to continuously attract, develop, and retain talent, from both draftees and free agents, to keep rebuilding windows small and periods of contention wide open. Alternating between five year periods of good and bad should not be the ceiling for us.
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They're still drawing over 30,000. Attendance is down 17% from 2019 (using the last normal year) while payroll is down 29%. That's a win for ownership.

The season ticket base needs to drop to make a difference. As long as corporations keep giving them big money to entertain clients, they won't change.
 
IU Hawks fan said:
It's an awful idea that'll never happen.

2B should be Mendick or Yolbert Sanchez.
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Yeah let’s go with Danny Mendick as our permanent solution at 2B. Sounds like something the White Sox would do.

Sarava said:
Even Josh Harrison is starting to hit now. It's nice to see. Credit where credit is due.

And I don't know about Jake Burger at 2B. He's a mediocre defensive 3B. In suspect he would be even worse at 2B. The Sox need to fix their defensive woes, not increase them.
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He’s gotta be in the lineup. There’s a ton of ways, you can put in at 3B and Moncada and TA and play SS/2B. Or he can DH. AV in right and Eloy in left, but then Pollock won’t have a spot. So I’d prefer he plays in the IF and improves his defense.
 
SimpleJack said:
Yeah let’s go with Danny Mendick as our permanent solution at 2B. Sounds like something the White Sox would do.



He’s gotta be in the lineup. There’s a ton of ways, you can put in at 3B and Moncada and TA and play SS/2B. Or he can DH. AV in right and Eloy in left, but then Pollock won’t have a spot. So I’d prefer he plays in the IF and improves his defense.
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No, Burger at 2B is something the SOX would do. How many 1B/DH types can we shoehorn into a lineup, that's the SOX motto.
 
IU Hawks fan said:
No, Burger at 2B is something the SOX would do. How many 1B/DH types can we shoehorn into a lineup, that's the SOX motto.
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I’m trying to fit all of our talented young players into the lineup. God forbid. Is it not worth considering some combo of Burger, TA, and Moncada in the INF? We’re already gonna proclaim that an impossible task? And start Mendick instead? Who is bound to start hitting like a minor leaguer again?
 
IU Hawks fan said:
They're still drawing over 30,000. Attendance is down 17% from 2019 (using the last normal year) while payroll is down 29%. That's a win for ownership.

The season ticket base needs to drop to make a difference. As long as corporations keep giving them big money to entertain clients, they won't change.
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Let's see where attendance is by the end of the season after they trade anybody good.

Also, FWIW, the missus and I were on the season ticket waiting list for many years and finally got the offer this past winter, and we actually turned it down. We also turned down free tickets last night (partially due to the heat).

I think season ticket holders are going to start dropping more and more when they realize they can't even sell their extras for decent amounts.

It doesn't help they have one of the most expensive attendance experiences in the league when they're going to lose 100 games.
 
Yeah, I was on the wait list for a solid 12 years and my time came up just immediately before covid and I decided to turn down the chance as well. Ended up being a very smart monetary decision in retrospect.

Free to be on the list, so I got back on it. Maybe it'll make sense in the late 2030s for me.
 
hawksrule said:
What rule am I unaware of?
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Here's how the new CBA impacts the Draft

The new Collective Bargaining Agreement between MLB and the MLB Players Association contains several changes to the Draft, most notably the creation of a lottery for the top six picks. Beginning in 2023, the first six choices will be determined by lottery rather than by the reverse order of the
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Beginning in 2023, the first six choices will be determined by lottery rather than by the reverse order of the previous year's standings. The teams with the three worst records from the previous season will have the best chance (16.5 percent each) to get the No. 1 overall pick via the lottery, which will include all 18 non-postseason clubs. The other teams will have declining percentages in reverse order of their records, down to 0.23 percent for the non-playoff club with the highest winning percentage.
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Teams that receive revenue-sharing payouts can't receive a lottery pick for more than two years in a row and those that don't can't get a top-six choice in consecutive Drafts. Furthermore, a club that's ineligible for the lottery can't select higher than 10th overall.
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