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Skar

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One major issue that drives costs up is the degree of safety, environmental and engineering that go on during a project too. The amount of money spent just from 10 years ago is significantly larger. With that being said, costs are one thing, but not being able to build in a remotely timely manner is another.

When that Chinese company won those beams for the Walterdale bridge(?) the main reason they were able to do it so cheap was because there are way less restrictions in China when it comes to producing them. Then once the City forced the contractor to impose the same type of engineering and such as we do here that's when things went sideways. The question really becomes are we over doing it here in Canada?
You can't compromise on safety. Especially in Edmonton with the weather going anywhere from -50 to +40 at times of the year. We have these safety standards for a reason, and they're mostly written in blood.

You can find dozens of catastrophic incidents resulting from cutting corners and lax safety standards. It's one thing to have delays, it's another to cause a ticking time bomb.
 

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You can't compromise on safety. Especially in Edmonton with the weather going anywhere from -50 to +40 at times of the year. We have these safety standards for a reason, and they're mostly written in blood.

You can find dozens of catastrophic incidents resulting from cutting corners and lax safety standards. It's one thing to have delays, it's another to cause a ticking time bomb.
I don’t think there’s been many catastrophic incidents with the train line that has been operating since the 70’s. Seems like the regulations and standards that project was subject to have held up fine.
 

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I don’t think there’s been many catastrophic incidents with the train line that has been operating since the 70’s. Seems like the regulations and standards that project was subject to have held up fine.
Yes, because Canada has relatively strict engineering protocols in place. My post was referring to the poster's statement that "Then once the City forced the contractor to impose the same type of engineering and such as we do here that's when things went sideways. The question really becomes are we over doing it here in Canada?"
 

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I don’t think there’s been many catastrophic incidents with the train line that has been operating since the 70’s. Seems like the regulations and standards that project was subject to have held up fine.
Yeah, like I said imagine a barebones rails on ties approach working in the prairies. Nobody has ever been able to explain the over engineering requiring LRT rails to be set in expansive concrete pours throughout the line for light rail SLOW transit when Freight trains 100X heavier do fine on standard issue rail.

Anytime light rail is mentioned in last 40yrs its a boondoggle. One wonders how much pay off is involved in the awarding of this billions dollars contracts when clearly less would suffice. Clareview line has had less interruptions than any that came since. After exiting DT to clareview its a barebones line.
 
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"improve the performance, reliability and passenger experience"

There hasn't been a stitch of reliability on the whole project and there hasn't been one passenger experience in the 3yrs since its supposed to be open because it hasn't moved a single passenger yet. What a f***ing boondoggle. Millwoods waiting for promised LRT since the 70's and still waiting 50yrs later. Maybe in our lifetime...


WTF replacing cables and the dang thing hasn't been in operation. I could laugh at this if this line was in Calgary or something. Just another disaster project brought to us by the City of Edmonton.

What performance? Does it get passing grades on testing? Theres been several collisions with vehicles already and an expensive LRT car already bit the dust gettting hit by a truck.
I wonder if the cable replacement is just a coverup to something more serious they need to address. Something is fishy about all this. It's like TransEd is trying to stall this to buy more time. Piers still cracking perhaps. We'll see.
What a cluster f*** of epic proportions...
 
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I wonder if the cable replacement is just a coverup to something more serious they need to address. Something is fishy about all this. It's like TransEd is trying to stall this to buy more time. Piers still cracking perhaps. We'll see.
What a cluster f*** of epic proportions...
Well they obviously messed up somewhere. It's not like we are hearing they are going after the cable suppliers for selling shit cables.

I also can't wait until probably 2 years from now when they have to put up crossing arms and bells.

"People need to learn to follow rules and drive safe". These people saying this obviously haven't lived in Edmonton.
 

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I wonder if the cable replacement is just a coverup to something more serious they need to address. Something is fishy about all this. It's like TransEd is trying to stall this to buy more time. Piers still cracking perhaps. We'll see.
What a cluster f*** of epic proportions...
I did see them replacing cables on part of a track yesterday, so for sure that's an issue. But I wouldn't doubt what the rest of what you said is true.
 
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Oh shi*, Decided to have a small scotch and realized I have to open my last bottle of scotch left in my scotch cabinet. (holds 8) I also have a spirits cabinet and rum cabinet and a wine cabinet.

About time to head to the liqour store to restock. This will be a very hefty bill.
 
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Oh shi*, Decided to have a small scotch and realized I have to open my last bottle of scotch left in my scotch cabinet. (holds 8) I also have a spirits cabinet and rum cabinet and a wine cabinet.

About time to head to the liqour store to restock. This will be a very hefty bill.
We have a little "Scotch Club" out here at Trestle Creek. What kind is your favourite poison? Do you like peaty stuff?
 

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We have a little "Scotch Club" out here at Trestle Creek. What kind is your favourite poison? Do you like peaty stuff?
I can;t say I have drunk enough scotch over the years to have an educated fav, but not overly peaty, the bottle i just opened was Glen Leavitt which I enjoyed.
 
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Of note that this line is also vast majority surface rail. Essentially could be as simple as running train tracks, at grade, in the prairies which is pretty damned feasible. lol They built the National dream in about the time it takes to build spur transit lines here and get them functioning. Nor is this rapid transit. Nor is this heavy shipping freight transit. This is lighweight streetcars essentially but building lines that are 100X over engineered for something you could basically build on standard rail and ties. Some of the first LRT line out to Clareview was that. But in the decades since they apparently need extensive concrete pad every inch of the line, massive overkill infrastructure, and take a decade to get it going.

100yrs ago with less equipment they built entire street car lines, in this city, in less time and without modern heavy equipment etc that we have today. They ripped them all down anyway even though they would be massive use today. The only one surviving being the highlevel streetcar. The streetcar speeds and operation are NO DIFFERENT than what these modern "rapid transit" lines bring. The streetcar lines were also very cheap. But they provided the same damn service and to many more regions and build out in a very short period of time. I'm old enough to have been on a lot of the trolley lines they had. Many of us here have been on them. The only problems those systems had was navigating 90degree sharp turns as the trolley lines would sometimes detach and have to be put back on by the operator. But even our "modern" lines wouldn't navigate such hairpin turns either.

Meanwhile in private industry they built the entire first phase of WEM including massive two level parking lots in 11-12mths. Finished.

But whatever the city touches is massive incompetency at every level. A city run by idiots. Doesn't matter. They'll build all these lines and in time some lunatics in the future will tear them down later in the name of something else.

100yrs ago you could take a train to Calgary, to Banff, a regular train to Jasper, to Camrose, Fort Sask, to Red Deer, To Drumheller, Medicine hat etc. People had so many rail commuter options it was silly. Now we have one poor passenger rail service through Yellowhead route that comes twice a week. This is the ONLY passenger rail line left. Most of the others were ripped out by such future thinkers that thought we should just have highways everywhere instead. How has that all worked out? Imagine if the Province and Western Canada just kept with all the commuter rail lines. They, and the towns and cities they served would be booming. So much of the population and industry would be served by energy efficient freight and passenger rail wherever they are. But it just made too much sense so in the name of progress they just ripped it all out and let the rails and stations rot..
Why would all the towns and cities that would still have rail passenger service be booming?
 

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Why would all the towns and cities that would still have rail passenger service be booming?
Rail and freight is always a good pipeline for people and goods or industry. So much more cost efficient in getting goods to market and connecting communities. Historically the death of rail has been the death of many communities. If you travel a lot around the backwoods of Alberta you see a lot of communities, even ghost towns once served by rail. But I'm a train lover of sorts, believe in rail, and even that its one of the better ways to get around. i don't get any of the motion sickness some people get on rail. I love being on land seeing scenery go by and back in the day people without vehicles could get a lot of places just by rail. Not able to now.
 

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Here's a fun little game. Three teams across the top, three teams down the side, fill in a player that played for both teams where they meet.

The Oilers were in it today, so that was pretty easy, but I couldn't think of anyone who played for Seattle and Detroit.
 
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Rail and freight is always a good pipeline for people and goods or industry. So much more cost efficient in getting goods to market and connecting communities. Historically the death of rail has been the death of many communities. If you travel a lot around the backwoods of Alberta you see a lot of communities, even ghost towns once served by rail. But I'm a train lover of sorts, believe in rail, and even that its one of the better ways to get around. i don't get any of the motion sickness some people get on rail. I love being on land seeing scenery go by and back in the day people without vehicles could get a lot of places just by rail. Not able to now.
I took a road trip last summer with my 81 year old uncle up to the Vilna area. He grew up out there and wanted to see it once last time while he still could. Myself, I haven’t been out that way since the early 80’s when I was a teenager and my grandparents owned a farm in the area. What struck me the most on that trip is how almost all the grain elevators that used to be indentifying landmarks for towns are gone now.
 

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Here's a fun little game. Three teams across the top, three teams down the side, fill in a player that played for both teams where they meet.

The Oilers were in it today, so that was pretty easy, but I couldn't think of anyone who played for Seattle and Detroit.

Think of an ex-Oiler from the last 5 years.
 

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I took a road trip last summer with my 81 year old uncle up to the Vilna area. He grew up out there and wanted to see it once last time while he still could. Myself, I haven’t been out that way since the early 80’s when I was a teenager and my grandparents owned a farm in the area. What struck me the most on that trip is how almost all the grain elevators that used to be indentifying landmarks for towns are gone now.
It's sad really, but between fires and the realization that grain elevators in every town weren't efficient you saw them slowly disappear
 
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