OT: OT thread number 11 | No More Bad News PLEASE!

[rboomercat90]

Raptors disappoint once again.

Oh we may trade up....we may trade down! We may trade players?

Do nothing but pick where they were assigned to pick and as usual have one measly pick in the draft.

They guy they picked in the draft is a big Dick.

He sure was out to make some kind of impression.

 

[Beerfish]

He sure was out to make some kind of impression.

My Dick comment was a pun btw. He is what they need, a shooter but that front office is very disappointing. Happy to be slogging around as a .500 team. They talk about drafting and developing but they trade away picks and refuse to trade undeaching players for actual draft capital.

 

[joestevens29]

Have watched this about a dozen times now, and the gal is so close to getting it every time. Will keep watching, pretty sure she’ll get it at some point.

You watch a dozen times I bet

I liked the end result.

 

[bellagiobob]

 

[rboomercat90]

Just like anything else. All it takes is one to screw up a good thing for everybody.

 

[seventieslord]

Hopefully he doesn't take the kids out for pizza so they can learn his "dine and dash trick."

Can you elaborate?

 

[bellagiobob]

The gift that keeps on giving. What a fiasco. Metro Line seems like a dream now compared to Valley line.

 

[Drivesaitl]

The gift that keeps on giving. What a fiasco. Metro Line seems like a dream now compared to Valley line.

"improve the performance, reliability and passenger experience"

There hasn't been a stitch of reliability on the whole project and there hasn't been one passenger experience in the 3yrs since its supposed to be open because it hasn't moved a single passenger yet. What a f***ing boondoggle. Millwoods waiting for promised LRT since the 70's and still waiting 50yrs later. Maybe in our lifetime...


WTF replacing cables and the dang thing hasn't been in operation. I could laugh at this if this line was in Calgary or something. Just another disaster project brought to us by the City of Edmonton.

What performance? Does it get passing grades on testing? Theres been several collisions with vehicles already and an expensive LRT car already bit the dust gettting hit by a truck.

 

[bellagiobob]

"improve the performance, reliability and passenger experience"

There hasn't been a stitch of reliability on the whole project and there hasn't been one passenger experience in the 3yrs since its supposed to be open because it hasn't moved a single passenger yet. What a f***ing boondoggle. Millwoods waiting for promised LRT since the 70's and still waiting 50yrs later. Maybe in our lifetime...


WTF replacing cables and the dang thing hasn't been in operation. I could laugh at this if this line was in Calgary or something. Just another disaster project brought to us by the City of Edmonton.

What performance? Does it get passing grades on testing? Theres been several collisions with vehicles already and an expensive LRT car already bit the dust gettting hit by a truck.

I’ve had a couple of appts at the Tawa the last few weeks, and 5+ minute wait to turn left off of 66 street, with only one train coming in that time period. Feel bad for the people that commute in that area daily.

 

[Drivesaitl]

I’ve had a couple of appts at the Tawa the last few weeks, and 5+ minute wait to turn left off of 66 street, with only one train coming in that time period. Feel bad for the people that commute in that area daily.

We're all feeling the pain here. Worse that just for salt in wound you see the infernal thing testing almost everyday kind of teasing the reality that its not in operation.

"No Valleyline train for you"

How does this Juncas guy still, or has ever had a job running a project. he can barely communicate and what he says is inane. If it came with a laughtrack you would think it was urban satire. Its a comedy show.

 

[rboomercat90]

The gift that keeps on giving. What a fiasco. Metro Line seems like a dream now compared to Valley line.

This is a brand new, just built line. It hasn’t even been opened yet. Why do cables need to be replaced already? Lol, did they not use new cables? Were they recycled? Were the wrong ones installed? It’s crazy how badly every one of these mega city projects gets bungled now and how little people seem to care about it.

 

[Fixed to Ruin]

The gift that keeps on giving. What a fiasco. Metro Line seems like a dream now compared to Valley line.

Remember this every time someone brings up the idea of building a monorail from Edmonton to Calgary.

 

[Stoneman89]

The gift that keeps on giving. What a fiasco. Metro Line seems like a dream now compared to Valley line.

How the hell does the CEO for Trans Ed keep his job after this?

Idiocy like this happens in nearly every project and all you hear Sohi and Janz complain about is "we need more money!" to the province. I wouldn't give them a dime more. They are like a couple spoiled school children who have blown their allownance on stupid shit but always want more.

 

[Fil Larkmanthanasiou]

McDavid's fiance has great taste in music

 

[Drivesaitl]

This is a brand new, just built line. It hasn’t even been opened yet. Why do cables need to be replaced already? Lol, did they not use new cables? Were they recycled? Were the wrong ones installed? It’s crazy how badly every one of these mega city projects gets bungled now and how little people seem to care about it.

Of note that this line is also vast majority surface rail. Essentially could be as simple as running train tracks, at grade, in the prairies which is pretty damned feasible. lol They built the National dream in about the time it takes to build spur transit lines here and get them functioning. Nor is this rapid transit. Nor is this heavy shipping freight transit. This is lighweight streetcars essentially but building lines that are 100X over engineered for something you could basically build on standard rail and ties. Some of the first LRT line out to Clareview was that. But in the decades since they apparently need extensive concrete pad every inch of the line, massive overkill infrastructure, and take a decade to get it going.

100yrs ago with less equipment they built entire street car lines, in this city, in less time and without modern heavy equipment etc that we have today. They ripped them all down anyway even though they would be massive use today. The only one surviving being the highlevel streetcar. The streetcar speeds and operation are NO DIFFERENT than what these modern "rapid transit" lines bring. The streetcar lines were also very cheap. But they provided the same damn service and to many more regions and build out in a very short period of time. I'm old enough to have been on a lot of the trolley lines they had. Many of us here have been on them. The only problems those systems had was navigating 90degree sharp turns as the trolley lines would sometimes detach and have to be put back on by the operator. But even our "modern" lines wouldn't navigate such hairpin turns either.

Meanwhile in private industry they built the entire first phase of WEM including massive two level parking lots in 11-12mths. Finished.

But whatever the city touches is massive incompetency at every level. A city run by idiots. Doesn't matter. They'll build all these lines and in time some lunatics in the future will tear them down later in the name of something else.

100yrs ago you could take a train to Calgary, to Banff, a regular train to Jasper, to Camrose, Fort Sask, to Red Deer, To Drumheller, Medicine hat etc. People had so many rail commuter options it was silly. Now we have one poor passenger rail service through Yellowhead route that comes twice a week. This is the ONLY passenger rail line left. Most of the others were ripped out by such future thinkers that thought we should just have highways everywhere instead. How has that all worked out? Imagine if the Province and Western Canada just kept with all the commuter rail lines. They, and the towns and cities they served would be booming. So much of the population and industry would be served by energy efficient freight and passenger rail wherever they are. But it just made too much sense so in the name of progress they just ripped it all out and let the rails and stations rot..

 

[joestevens29]

McDavid's fiance has great taste in music

That's if she understands what the shirt actually is and didn't just buy it for looks, as is the case with a lot of rock shirts out there.

Not sure how many people I see with Def Leppard shirts, ask them what their favourite song is and just a blank look on their face. "what do you mean song"

The gift that keeps on giving. What a fiasco. Metro Line seems like a dream now compared to Valley line.

Can someone older explain how they were able to make LRT lines underground back in the day? But today we can't f***ing figure out how to put them above ground?

 

[joestevens29]

How the hell does the CEO for Trans Ed keep his job after this?

Idiocy like this happens in nearly every project and all you hear Sohi and Janz complain about is "we need more money!" to the province. I wouldn't give them a dime more. They are like a couple spoiled school children who have blown their allownance on stupid shit but always want more.

The way this city spends money just makes my head spin.

No money for grass cutting last year and when they did cut it they never came behind and trimmed along the trees. Instead of mitigating these risks on future projects, what do they do? Continue to plant grass in medians and continue to plant trees. Then when the trees die after a year of salt they blame the contractors for trees dying.

No money to maintain the roads, but let's spend 100mil on bike lanes. The whole road construction as a whole they really waste money on how they do things, but that's another story.

Bus shelters continue to get smashed in same areas multiple times a year, but instead of changing how they are built they just continue to replace the glass that is easily breakable. At roughly 1500-2000.

 

[ZJuice]

That's if she understands what the shirt actually is and didn't just buy it for looks, as is the case with a lot of rock shirts out there.

Not sure how many people I see with Def Leppard shirts, ask them what their favourite song is and just a blank look on their face. "what do you mean song"


Can someone older explain how they were able to make LRT lines underground back in the day? But today we can't f***ing figure out how to put them above ground?

Construction on the original Edmonton LRT began in 1974 and first began service in 1978. it covered 6.9km and was budgeted at 64 million.

To open the 8 km metro line in 2015 it cost 655 million. They took 4 years to build it, and 1 more year to get it slightly working..


14 km valley line started in 2016ish at a 1.8 billion I believe and that changed to a 2.6 billion dollar price tag and may finish in 2023.

I am too lazy to math it up and look up what 65 million in 1974 is worth today.. but the costs/prices of everything today feels too damn high. Bureaucracy and everyone trying to scrape everything out of the pockets of the next guy.. ahhhh

 

[bellagiobob]

Dogs really are the best.

 

[BlackDogg]

 

[Paralyzer]

This brings me great pleasure to watch

 

[joestevens29]

Construction on the original Edmonton LRT began in 1974 and first began service in 1978. it covered 6.9km and was budgeted at 64 million.

To open the 8 km metro line in 2015 it cost 655 million. They took 4 years to build it, and 1 more year to get it slightly working..


14 km valley line started in 2016ish at a 1.8 billion I believe and that changed to a 2.6 billion dollar price tag and may finish in 2023.

I am too lazy to math it up and look up what 65 million in 1974 is worth today.. but the costs/prices of everything today feels too damn high. Bureaucracy and everyone trying to scrape everything out of the pockets of the next guy.. ahhhh

One major issue that drives costs up is the degree of safety, environmental and engineering that go on during a project too. The amount of money spent just from 10 years ago is significantly larger. With that being said, costs are one thing, but not being able to build in a remotely timely manner is another.

When that Chinese company won those beams for the Walterdale bridge(?) the main reason they were able to do it so cheap was because there are way less restrictions in China when it comes to producing them. Then once the City forced the contractor to impose the same type of engineering and such as we do here that's when things went sideways. The question really becomes are we over doing it here in Canada?

 

[Fixed to Ruin]

Construction on the original Edmonton LRT began in 1974 and first began service in 1978. it covered 6.9km and was budgeted at 64 million.

To open the 8 km metro line in 2015 it cost 655 million. They took 4 years to build it, and 1 more year to get it slightly working..


14 km valley line started in 2016ish at a 1.8 billion I believe and that changed to a 2.6 billion dollar price tag and may finish in 2023.

I am too lazy to math it up and look up what 65 million in 1974 is worth today.. but the costs/prices of everything today feels too damn high. Bureaucracy and everyone trying to scrape everything out of the pockets of the next guy.. ahhhh

i was curious so i used the Bank of Canada inflation calculator.

 

[SupremeTeam16]

Construction on the original Edmonton LRT began in 1974 and first began service in 1978. it covered 6.9km and was budgeted at 64 million.

To open the 8 km metro line in 2015 it cost 655 million. They took 4 years to build it, and 1 more year to get it slightly working..


14 km valley line started in 2016ish at a 1.8 billion I believe and that changed to a 2.6 billion dollar price tag and may finish in 2023.

I am too lazy to math it up and look up what 65 million in 1974 is worth today.. but the costs/prices of everything today feels too damn high. Bureaucracy and everyone trying to scrape everything out of the pockets of the next guy.. ahhhh

It’s becoming absurd the exponential rate at which project costs are growing even in just the last decade.

This was a pretty big factor when my wife and I started exploring moving abroad in 2019 as there is a lot of upgrading needed to critical infrastructure and services at all levels of government and between inefficiencies and rising costs it likely meant new and increased taxation.

 

[Beerfish]

Gulls are my new favorite creatures...I want a pet Gull