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OT: OT: Lets Go Cardinals! (All Baseball Talk Here) Part 2

So, Nats want Carlson, Gorman, Walker, Winn, and another top prospect. I can definitely understand the hesitancy from the Cards. And no matter who awesome it would be to have Soto. That's a lot to give up for 2.5 years of Soto. No matter how generational he his.
 
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Linkens Mastery said:
So, Nats want Carlson, Gorman, Walker, Winn, and another top prospect. I can definitely understand the hesitancy from the Cards. And no matter who awesome it would be to have Soto. That's a lot to give up for 2.5 years of Soto. No matter how generational he his.
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not even remotely worth that price
 
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Linkens Mastery said:
So, Nats want Carlson, Gorman, Walker, Winn, and another top prospect. I can definitely understand the hesitancy from the Cards. And no matter who awesome it would be to have Soto. That's a lot to give up for 2.5 years of Soto. No matter how generational he his.
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Hard pass.
 
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sfvega said:
You simply would not have survived being a Cards fan in the 90s. Arenado and Goldschmidt in the last 4 years is tepid? We have too many WS or bust fans. As bad as Yankees fans.
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My saving grace is that I don’t give a shit anyway.

Go Cards?
 
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Quintana is the only pitcher on the Pirates with over 60 innings pitched with under a 4 ERA. He also has a very good walk rate and ground ball rate.

Prototypical Cardinals pitcher
 
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I feel bad for Oviedo for everything he went through to get to Canada, but I hope he has a good career in Pittsburgh. Nunez was going to be stuck behind Arenado and Walker.
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Yeah. But neither of them are irreplaceable.

I think Oviedo probably projects as a bullpen guy at best, but he's nothing special.
 
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lmao dumpster dived for another middle age LHP

like clockwork for bowtie boy
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Quintana's actually having a good year, though, and aside from last year, has been replacement level or above in terms of WAR.

His FIP is good this year, too, showing that for now, he isn't a fluke or pumpkin like Lester/Happ.
 
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Cards also got Statton.

5.09 ERA
1.55 WHIP
3.61 FIP
8.19 K/9
2.88 B/9

40 appearances this season 39 in relief.

This is on a absolutely horrible Pirates team. So those numbers should get better on the cards with a better defense behind him.
 
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Cards and Brewers in a pitching arms races. If the Cards can grab another starter and another bullpen arm they have a good shot at winning the division. Whether they get Soto or not. Tho I would love another outfield bat. Maybe try to grab Rodon and Pedersen from SFG.
 
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“With respect to what the package would be, I believe based on what I’ve been told the last couple days, that the Jays maybe dipped their toe in there, there’s some interest, but they’re not significantly involved on Soto at the moment. What I believe to be involved, they would have to trade Bo Bichette. He would have to be the piece."

“They need right now position players, and I think from the Nationals’ perspective, they would rather have Bo than Teoscar (Hernandez) or (Lourdes) Gurriel. I think that’s probably where they’re at right now."

“I think where the Jays are now, unless you are able to make a second move that brings in a shortstop you like, I would have a hard time seeing (it happen).”
 
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“With respect to what the package would be, I believe based on what I’ve been told the last couple days, that the Jays maybe dipped their toe in there, there’s some interest, but they’re not significantly involved on Soto at the moment. What I believe to be involved, they would have to trade Bo Bichette. He would have to be the piece."

“They need right now position players, and I think from the Nationals’ perspective, they would rather have Bo than Teoscar (Hernandez) or (Lourdes) Gurriel. I think that’s probably where they’re at right now."

“I think where the Jays are now, unless you are able to make a second move that brings in a shortstop you like, I would have a hard time seeing (it happen).”
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We know all about SS being a tough position to find a solution at. No way Toronto parts with Bichette, despite him having a rough year.
 
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Romine has been DFAd so Yadi will be returning and they will have to make a pitching move to get back under 13. Probably Packy or Thompson
 
Linkens Mastery said:
Cards also got Statton.

5.09 ERA
1.55 WHIP
3.61 FIP
8.19 K/9
2.88 B/9

40 appearances this season 39 in relief.

This is on a absolutely horrible Pirates team. So those numbers should get better on the cards with a better defense behind him.
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Pitch metrics like him quite a bit. Spin rate elite, ground ball percentage very good. Should benefit A LOT from the Cards' infield defense.

Seems like a fair deal for both sides. Oviedo has potential that he's flashed from time to time, but I'm not losing sleep over losing him. Nunez has great AA numbers at only 21 years old. Seems like a good prospect, but he basically has nowhere to play in the near future, and the odds he becomes a full on superstar and we really regret the deal are pretty slim. I'm good with this. Still really want Soto.
 
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nypost.com

Front-runners to land Juan Soto clear as time winds down before deadline

Trading a young superstar never works out as well as acquiring a young superstar.
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Let’s take a look at each of the three entrants.

1. Padres

GM A.J. Preller is a big-game hunter, as he showed again in trading for Josh Hader, the game’s best closer, while gearing up to try to beat out the rival Dodgers and Cardinals for the biggest fish. The Padres under Preller have done a terrific job stockpiling impressive young players, and some see them as having the kids with the highest ceilings in this derby. Pitchers MacKenzie Gore (who has an elbow issue and may be rested for the remainder of the year) and Adrian Morejon, outfielders Robert Hassell III and James Wood and infielder C.J. Abrams are among many future stars the Padres could offer.

The Padres have become big spenders after pretending to reside in a small market for decades. While they can’t match revenues with the Dodgers, their 20,000-plus season ticket base ranks among the top five in the game, and others around the game see them “spending ahead of revenues,” which is great for the fans and gives them a shot at players they never dreamed of before.

2. Dodgers

They have the prospects, the wherewithal and the recent history of big deals, including only last year with the Nats, when they acquired Trea Turner and Max Scherzer for Keibert Ruiz, Josiah Gray and prospects. Never count them out.

While they seemed to be running third earlier, there really is no reason to assume they are behind in this derby, not now. Their prospect stash is impressive: catcher Diego Cartaya, pitchers Bobby Miller and Ryan Pepiot, infielders Miguel Vargas and Michael Busch and more. They also have young players Gavin Lux and Dustin May, who’d surely be of interest to the Nats.

3. Cardinals

They looked like a potential match from the start, with a terrific collection of young position players, some of whom are already at the big-league level. Those who’ve ascended include infielder Nolan Gorman and outfielders Dylan Carlson and Harrison Bader. In the minors, there are infielders Jordan Walker and Masyn Winn.

The Cardinals aren’t known to be as aggressive as their West Coast rivals, so some would be a bit surprised if they pull this off. They also have a couple issues. One is that starting pitching should be their priority following the losses of Jack Flaherty and Steven Matz. Another is that they have mostly positional prospects. Matthew Liberatore is one nice pitching prospect, but he isn’t a hard thrower, and it isn’t certain he’s on the Nats’ wish list.
 
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