OT: OT: Lets Go Cardinals! (All Baseball Talk Here) Part 2

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Nightengale: MLB trade deadline's top buyers, sellers and finalists for a Juan Soto deal

Breaking down the teams and players who matter ahead of Tuesday's MLB trade deadline -- from Juan Soto to Trey Mancini.

www.usatoday.com

4 finalists for Juan Soto

San Diego Padres: The Padres have the capital, and the aggressiveness in GM A.J. Preller, never knowing a star he didn’t want. They are willing to part with everyone from outfielder Robert Hassell III, shortstop C.J. Abrams to starter MacKenzie Gore. They are the favorites.

St. Louis Cardinals: The Cardinals typically don’t jump into the type of fray, but they did acquire first baseman Paul Goldschmidt and third baseman Nolan Arrenado while everyone stood by. They have the minor-league prospects and young major-league ready players to get this done.

Los Angeles Dodgers: They have the money. The prospects. The young players. They have the history of trading for stars: Max Scherzer, Manny Machado, Trea Turner, Yu Darvish. And the burning desire to sit aotp the baseball world for another decade.

Seattle Mariners: It’s hard to believe the Mariners have enough depth in their farm system to land Soto now, but what if they package one of their prized young pitchers in a prospect package and really go all in?

 

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[Linkens Mastery]

Paul DeJong is back.

Pallante should never start again...

PaLlAnTe ShOuLd NeVeR sTaRt AgAiN. You ding dong

 

[tfriede2]

I’m not a big baseball guy - more like a passive part-time observer, but I’m confused about Soto. I keep hearing that he’s a generational player, yet he’s batting .244 this season. I don’t get it. I do get that he’s very young and had a phenomenal season that very few big leaguers have ever had at that age (21, I think?). But .244? Generational? Just looking at stats, that screams to me that, looking at hockey comparisons, he could be a Laine type player instead of an Ovechkin type player. One is worth giving up your top 4 prospects for, and the other is not.

 

[PJJJP]

I’m not a big baseball guy - more like a passive part-time observer, but I’m confused about Soto. I keep hearing that he’s a generational player, yet he’s batting .244 this season. I don’t get it. I do get that he’s very young and had a phenomenal season that very few big leaguers have ever had at that age (21, I think?). But .244? Generational? Just looking at stats, that screams to me that, looking at hockey comparisons, he could be a Laine type player instead of an Ovechkin type player. One is worth giving up your top 4 prospects for, and the other is not.

Juan Soto babip is like .240 which is very unlucky and very abnormal for him. The years before this he has had .923, .949, 1.185, .999 OPS. this year he has a .883 OPS which would be second on our team. Those are comparable numbers to Pujols in his first few years in the big leagues. Plus Soto has 460 career walks to only 413 strikeouts. Last year he has 145 walks to 93 walks and this year has 87 walks to 61 strikeouts. He is a career 291 hitter and has hit over 300 his last 2 years. Plus he is only 23. He is the same age as Dylan Carlson and cardinals fans love him. Not many players debut at 19 and have such a start to their career.

 

[TheDizee]

soto would be a nice add for the team but its not a fix a serious contender would make to address this teams needs. this franchise is happy to just do enough to be in the WC race every year and maybe win a division title every now and then. they are not interested in being the class of the NL like they were in the past. soto puts butts in the seats and helps you win over the haul of 162 but hes not gonna carry you to a world series like elite pitching can do.

pitching has been this teams issue since 2016 and they have never really addressed it.

 

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[AVictoryDive]

soto would be a nice add for the team but its not a fix a serious contender would make to address this teams needs. this franchise is happy to just do enough to be in the WC race every year and maybe win a division title every now and then. they are not interested in being the class of the NL like they were in the past. soto puts butts in the seats and helps you win over the haul of 162 but hes not gonna carry you to a world series like elite pitching can do.

pitching has been this teams issue since 2016 and they have never really addressed it.

The pitching options just don’t excite me. Soto shows that you’re definitely competing though they need to also try to find a decent pitcher that won’t cost much. This will be a wild deadline

 

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I'd love to get Soto, but I'm not giving up Walker, Carlson, and Gorman/Winn to get him (and I think other packages would be beaten by SD.) If we were going to re-sign him, then yeah sell the farm and keep him here. But we know the Cards will never pay anyone 450 mil. So you mortgage the future, and in doing so you don't leave yourself any pieces to get an impact pitcher. We pick up some bargain basement starter and become a WC/divisional round exit and we've wasted one of Soto's few years here.

I'm all-in on Rodon. He's the type of starter we need. We've got Goldy and Arenado, with Yepez, Gorman, and Walker waiting in the wings. I would love to address our biggest need while only giving up one of those guys. I think Gorman will be good, but Walker has the higher ceiling and I'd keep him at all costs. And Gorman has higher trade value than Yepez, but I feel like they're not super far off in the long run.

I'd love to kick the tires on Eovaldi as well. MadBum has a ridiculous postseason résumé, but he's not that guy anymore and also I hate his guts. So please don't come here, but I'd get over it if he did. Lopez is gonna cost too much. Montas is gonna cost quite a bit and is a bit of a Jekyll and Hyde pitcher, so I'd rather just avoid that altogether but we could do worse for sure. And Quintana doesn't move the needle for me at all.

 

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[ChicagoBlues]

I’m not a big baseball guy - more like a passive part-time observer, but I’m confused about Soto. I keep hearing that he’s a generational player, yet he’s batting .244 this season. I don’t get it. I do get that he’s very young and had a phenomenal season that very few big leaguers have ever had at that age (21, I think?). But .244? Generational? Just looking at stats, that screams to me that, looking at hockey comparisons, he could be a Laine type player instead of an Ovechkin type player. One is worth giving up your top 4 prospects for, and the other is not.

Same here. I used to be a fan of the Cardinals, but started losing interest when MM took over as manager. Mo has been disappointing. And then we have to deflect that to DeWitt.

Mo & MM damaged this franchise.

The St. Louis Cardinals are starting to look like the Chicago Bears, in that they need a change in ownership.

 

[Linkens Mastery]

With Bader losing both of his feet and Tampa Bay DFAing Brett Phillips, I hope the Cards snatch him up. Especially if they are gung-ho about trading Carlson and getting Soto they'll need an ok center fielder. Something I don't think Nootbaar or Dickerson can be.

 

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[Bye Bye Blueston]

Red Sox are in Houston to play Astros. During pregame word spread that Astros apparently traded for Boston catcher. While he was on field in Red Sox uniform, media were asking him if he had been traded to Astros. Bizarre.

 

[sfvega]

Same here. I used to be a fan of the Cardinals, but started losing interest when MM took over as manager. Mo has been disappointing. And then we have to deflect that to DeWitt.

Mo & MM damaged this franchise.

The St. Louis Cardinals are starting to look like the Chicago Bears, in that they need a change in ownership.

Yeah, that might be taking it overboard. Mo has swung a good amount of deals and our scouting is only getting better. Even many of the guys we've traded away have panned out (Alcantara, Gallen, Arozarena, etc). A big shake-up from the top down would be a GIGANTIC risk. That'd be like saying that about the Blues in 2015.

 

[ChicagoBlues]

Yeah, that might be taking it overboard. Mo has swung a good amount of deals and our scouting is only getting better. Even many of the guys we've traded away have panned out (Alcantara, Gallen, Arozarena, etc). A big shake-up from the top down would be a GIGANTIC risk. That'd be like saying that about the Blues in 2015.

No, it’s not overboard.

Tepid is how I describe the St. Louis Cardinals.

 

[sfvega]

No, it’s not overboard.

Tepid is how I describe the St. Louis Cardinals.

You simply would not have survived being a Cards fan in the 90s. Arenado and Goldschmidt in the last 4 years is tepid? We have too many WS or bust fans. As bad as Yankees fans.