Oshawa Generals 2024-25 Season Thread, Part 1

[noahblake58]

Maybe Tullio can trade Danford and Seneke for musty lol the way things are going, it’s not too far fetched

No that’s just stupid Danford and Beckett if they comeback next season is going to stockpile the draft pick cupboard back up

 

[frontsfan67]

Maybe Tullio can trade Danford and Seneke for musty lol the way things are going, it’s not too far fetched

Hahaha good one that made me chuckle

 

[hockeyisbest]

No that’s just stupid Danford and Beckett if they comeback next season is going to stockpile the draft pick cupboard back up

I think you might have difficulty with sarcasm.

 

[Generalsupdates]

Ritchie scores his first career NHL goal/point but then is played the least that he's been played in any of the 3 games.

His TOI per game:
Game 1: 16:05 (6th among COL Fs)
Game 2: 15:10 (6th among COL Fs)
Game 3 (tonight): 13:07 (9th among COL Fs)

And 3 minutes of that 13:07 came at the end of the game with a very long 6-on-5 with the goalie out

 

[yessir29292]

Clearly the losses of Ritchie, Roobroeck, Rolofs, Kumpulainen, Punnet, Lockhart, Bedkowski and Desile have been nothing short of huge and the Barlow addition doesn’t come close to replacing everything. Really not surprising this team is struggling early, that said they should have more than enough talent to be a good team.

However, they winning anything in the playoffs without Ritchie coming back which I expect. Might need Roobroeck back too

 

[HUSH10]

Clearly the losses of Ritchie, Roobroeck, Rolofs, Kumpulainen, Punnet, Lockhart, Bedkowski and Desile have been nothing short of huge and the Barlow addition doesn’t come close to replacing everything. Really not surprising this team is struggling early, that said they should have more than enough talent to be a good team.

However, they winning anything in the playoffs without Ritchie coming back which I expect. Might need Roobroeck back too

Kumpulainen was a shock for sure but he wasn't a world beater and was also kinda Soft. Sinivuori will do fine replacing him.

Punnet, Lockhart and Rolofs is part of the game, no surprise there.

Ritchie will be back at the end of the month

Roobroeck is getting 4th line minutes in Hartford right now so if that keeps up, he could return.

Bedkowski and Delisle, well, self explanatory.

Obviously Roobroeck coming back would be nice but for sake of argument let's say he doesn't.

Oshawa will definitely look to add an OA cause the current 3 aren't the best available. Oshawa just won't make an OA decision until Roobroeck is confirmed.

I can still see Oshawa filling out the back end with a Konnor Smith and Bronson Ride. Those 2 would definitely change the landscape of our defence and give the offence more confidence. With the way Marrelli and Sandhu are playing offensively and Danford and Svozil on defence, I can see D'Amato being part of the OA trade for Smith. I know some folks around don't see it but I guess that's just my opinion.

Ride is would be a great add of size an toughness to compliment the rest.

If those moves came true, our defence could be...

Marelli-Danford
Sandhu-Smith
Ride-Svozil

That defensive core could be the best in the league.

I also think Oshawa adds another Forward piece. Another 2C but again, depends on Roobroeck.

This team will look vastly different come mid January imo and will right the ship for the playoffs. We just need to trust the process, no matter how bleak and hard they are to watch right now.

 

[dirty12]

I think NB expects an OA season of B.Ride. I’m not sure why so many think he will be traded. Out of curiosity, what could be the Oshawa offer for Ride?

 

[Generalsupdates]

I think NB expects an OA season of B.Ride. I’m not sure why so many think he will be traded. Out of curiosity, what could be the Oshawa offer for Ride?

Assume they don't think they'll be contending yet next year and his value this deadline would be a lot higher than it would be next year would be why NB would entertain trade offers, especially after many feel they overpaid for him last year.

No idea what the cost would be, I just know the Gens were going after him last year before NB offered so much so they pulled out of the discussions

 

[dirty12]

Assume they don't think they'll be contending yet next year and his value this deadline would be a lot higher than it would be next year would be why NB would entertain trade offers, especially after many feel they overpaid for him last year.

No idea what the cost would be, I just know the Gens were going after him last year before NB offered so much so they pulled out of the discussions

Though a couple may not be for long, NB has 11 signed ‘06, a probable OA top pair in place with Ride & Kennedy, and have replaced the traded ‘07-1st; I think the battalion have every intention of trying to contend next season.
Though they are going to need to find a good top six LW/C to do so imo.

 

[MeafAttack]

Kumpulainen was a shock for sure but he wasn't a world beater and was also kinda Soft. Sinivuori will do fine replacing him.

Punnet, Lockhart and Rolofs is part of the game, no surprise there.

Ritchie will be back at the end of the month

Roobroeck is getting 4th line minutes in Hartford right now so if that keeps up, he could return.

Bedkowski and Delisle, well, self explanatory.

Obviously Roobroeck coming back would be nice but for sake of argument let's say he doesn't.

Oshawa will definitely look to add an OA cause the current 3 aren't the best available. Oshawa just won't make an OA decision until Roobroeck is confirmed.

I can still see Oshawa filling out the back end with a Konnor Smith and Bronson Ride. Those 2 would definitely change the landscape of our defence and give the offence more confidence. With the way Marrelli and Sandhu are playing offensively and Danford and Svozil on defence, I can see D'Amato being part of the OA trade for Smith. I know some folks around don't see it but I guess that's just my opinion.

Ride is would be a great add of size an toughness to compliment the rest.

If those moves came true, our defence could be...

Marelli-Danford
Sandhu-Smith
Ride-Svozil

That defensive core could be the best in the league.

I also think Oshawa adds another Forward piece. Another 2C but again, depends on Roobroeck.

This team will look vastly different come mid January imo and will right the ship for the playoffs. We just need to trust the process, no matter how bleak and hard they are to watch right now.

Where is Oshawa going to get the picks / players to make any moves ? Unless the DB is not up to date the picks are thin. You're talking about adding 3 players ??

 

[HUSH10]

Where is Oshawa going to get the picks / players to make any moves ? Unless the DB is not up to date the picks are thin. You're talking about adding 3 players ??

They still have 2 2nds. 2 3rds, and 5 4ths. Plus Brady Smith come January if they decide to go that route. So it really will depend on the ask but Ride would likely cost a 3rd, 2 4ths.

Konnor Smith would be D'Amato plus 2nd and 4th is my guess.

So that leaves them a 2nd, a 3rd and two 4th plus their 08 Brady Smith to get a 2C.

Is that enough to get say a Romani? Maybe who knows but it's not impossible

 

[Generalsupdates]

Where is Oshawa going to get the picks / players to make any moves ? Unless the DB is not up to date the picks are thin. You're talking about adding 3 players ??

They'll get a couple picks back for Torrance/D'Amato if they decide to go that route to add to the 2x2nds, 2x3rds, 5x4ths and Brady Smith who would be sought after. They can get 3 players with that fo sure. Especially considering how low the price on stars has been thus far this year. A definite buyers market so far

If they really wanted to get crazy, Owen Griffin would be one of the most highly coveted assets in the entire league. I personally wouldn't trade him for anyone, but the point being they have options, especially if Ritchie/Roobroeck get sent back and you just got a top 3 player in the league and a potential top 5 OA F in the league without giving up a single pick

 

[OMG67]

They'll get a couple picks back for Torrance/D'Amato if they decide to go that route to add to the 2x2nds, 2x3rds, 5x4ths and Brady Smith who would be sought after. They can get 3 players with that fo sure. Especially considering how low the price on stars has been thus far this year. A definite buyers market so far

If they really wanted to get crazy, Owen Griffin would be one of the most highly coveted assets in the entire league. I personally wouldn't trade him for anyone, but the point being they have options, especially if Ritchie/Roobroeck get sent back and you just got a top 3 player in the league and a potential top 5 OA F in the league without giving up a single pick

I’m not so sure that Torrance will net anything of value in this market. D’Amato may get something relatively “ok” but with so many teams flush with OA’s, only the OA’s with high street value will move for anything decent. Centres and d-Men will still get a decent return I think which is why D’Amato may net a 2nd and 3rd. May. That’s a big MAY.

There are a lot of .8 PPG wingers out there. Torrance has more size so it is likely he may be more valued but when there is so much selection, even likely to be on a waiver wire, I am not sure there is any value there that would help the draft picks situation.

 

[OMG67]

They still have 2 2nds. 2 3rds, and 5 4ths. Plus Brady Smith come January if they decide to go that route. So it really will depend on the ask but Ride would likely cost a 3rd, 2 4ths.

Konnor Smith would be D'Amato plus 2nd and 4th is my guess.

So that leaves them a 2nd, a 3rd and two 4th plus their 08 Brady Smith to get a 2C.

Is that enough to get say a Romani? Maybe who knows but it's not impossible

The Barlow trade was the mistake. Ritchie and Senneke are already elite forwards. Oshawa needed to use those assets to add depth. Delisle and Bedkowski should not have been traded. They were part of that required depth.

Oshawa would have been better served trying to flip Torrance for an OA Centre (assuming Roobroeck doesn't return). Then tackle some depth issues on defence.

Barlow is a great player but Oshawa already has game breakers. Spending that much on one player is usually reserved for teams that are already set and are spending to get over the top like Hamilton with MacTavish. Adding Barlow and not having Ritchie and Roobroeck returned with so many other holes on the roster was a poor decision IMO.

Oshawa benefitted greatly last year with their patience waiting out the market and plucking Punnett on the cheap. I would have thought they’d do the same this year. Stay patient and pluck the freebies to fill holes on the depth chart. Looks more like London may be the team to take advantage late on deadline day.

 

[Sags]

I’m not so sure that Torrance will net anything of value in this market. D’Amato may get something relatively “ok” but with so many teams flush with OA’s, only the OA’s with high street value will move for anything decent. Centres and d-Men will still get a decent return I think which is why D’Amato may net a 2nd and 3rd. May. That’s a big MAY.

There are a lot of .8 PPG wingers out there. Torrance has more size so it is likely he may be more valued but when there is so much selection, even likely to be on a waiver wire, I am not sure there is any value there that would help the draft picks situation.

There were at least 3 teams trying to get Torrance at deadline last year and he was unavailable…. We were one of them. Coaches love the kid as he was top 3 in 3 catagories in OHL coaches poll last year. He’s the glue type player… can play any role you give him. Was leading your team most of the season in PP points last year. Kid will be top defensive player and penalty killer in the league this year. Would have been a 30 goal scorer last year… missed 7 weeks with broken wrist and still scored 22. Loved watching him in playoffs last year. Might be surprised what he would get ya but really don’t see you guys moving him if a run is in the plans. Damato has be unimpressive this far.

 

[OMG67]

There were at least 3 teams trying to get Torrance at deadline last year and he was unavailable…. We were one of them. Coaches love the kid as he was top 3 in 3 catagories in OHL coaches poll last year. He’s the glue type player… can play any role you give him. Was leading your team most of the season in PP points last year. Kid will be top defensive player and penalty killer in the league this year. Would have been a 30 goal scorer last year… missed 7 weeks with broken wrist and still scored 22. Loved watching him in playoffs last year. Might be surprised what he would get ya but really don’t see you guys moving him if a run is in the plans. Damato has be unimpressive this far.

If that is true then Oshawa doesn’t trade him. Simple as that.

But, the reality is, it is opportunity cost. To add Torrance, they also have to delete their 3rd best OA in the transaction. So, what is the upgrade value? As a 19 year old, there is no opportunity cost outside the trade return. Last year, Torrance would remove the 12th best forward on the roster. This year? Likely would remove the 6th best forward on the roster.

 

[dirty12]

If that is true then Oshawa doesn’t trade him. Simple as that.

But, the reality is, it is opportunity cost. To add Torrance, they also have to delete their 3rd best OA in the transaction. So, what is the upgrade value? As a 19 year old, there is no opportunity cost outside the trade return. Last year, Torrance would remove the 12th best forward on the roster. This year? Likely would remove the 6th best forward on the roster.

Torrance should only be moved in the unlikely event Roobroek is returned.
I agree his trade value is low and D’Amato lower.. Brampton and Kingston might be the only teams not forcing an OA in return looking to choose between Torrance, Swick, Allard, VanSteensel, Stonehouse, Mayich, possibly Delic, DeAngelis, McCoy, K.Smith …

 

[OMG67]

Torrance should only be moved in the unlikely event Roobroek is returned.
I agree his trade value is low and D’Amato lower.. Brampton and Kingston might be the only teams not forcing an OA in return looking to choose between Torrance, Swick, Allard, VanSteensel, Stonehouse, Mayich, possibly Delic, DeAngelis, McCoy, K.Smith …

That;s the issue. Too many players….

 

[Sags]

If that is true then Oshawa doesn’t trade him. Simple as that.

But, the reality is, it is opportunity cost. To add Torrance, they also have to delete their 3rd best OA in the transaction. So, what is the upgrade value? As a 19 year old, there is no opportunity cost outside the trade return. Last year, Torrance would remove the 12th best forward on the roster. This year? Likely would remove the 6th best forward on the roster.

12th?? Any game I seen he was 2nd or 3rd line… their #1 penalty killer and logged a ton of ice the last 2-3 mins in playoffs when they were holding the lead. 12th forwards don’t get 3 top 3 picks in entire league coaches polls.

 

[OMG67]

12th?? Any game I seen he was 2nd or 3rd line… their #1 penalty killer and logged a ton of ice the last 2-3 mins in playoffs when they were holding the lead. 12th forwards don’t get 3 top 3 picks in entire league coaches polls.

Sorry. You misunderstood. When you trade for a 19 year old, you delete the 12th forward on your roster to make room. But, this year, when you trade for an OA like Torrance, you are likely removing your 5th or 6th best forward because you need to remove your 3rd best OA. This year, any team looking to add Torrance is likely to have to remove one of their top 6 forwards (OA #3).

This is why a 19 year old is universally valued vs the OA and why Torrance, although valued highly last year, is less valued this year. his value is the marginal difference between what your 3rd OA provides. If your 3rd OA provides .8 points per game and Torrance provides the same, the differentiators are th intangibles. So, I dead of adding the intangibles PLUS the 50 points, you are only adding the intangibles.

 

[Generalsupdates]

Cal Ritchie in #NHL game 4:

0G, 0A, -1, 0 shots, 0 blocks, 0 hits, 13:45 TOI (6th most among COL F's)

He only had 3 shifts in the 3rd period prior to when COL pulled the goalie with 3 minutes left

 

[AGranderson]

Watched some of the first period what seems to be the early on problem with the Gens, doesn’t seem to be any chemistry to create scoring chances

 

[Jackintheshwa]

Horrible 1st. How can they be this disorganized!

 

[Leviathan899]

Totally agree. This team looks horrendous and is playing like a junior B team. They need to relook at this coaching situation. Any system they had last year with Laxdell In charge is gone.. I can't even stand watching it rite now. Terrible start!! these players clearly aren't buying into this coaching system they are falling over each other, cant string together passes nor shots and defensively they are all over out of position. Something needs to be done to steer this ship cause it's sad to watch, no way with this much talent that this should be happening with the names on this team..

You’re right. Team doesn’t even look like they want to work hard either. D-zone coverage is brutal, outside of Marrelli they’ve all been bad, Danford included. He looks lost and tired already. Barlow has 0 chemistry with anyone right now and isn’t even doing the little things while not scouting. Buckley looks like a shell of himself. No point lamenting the bottom 6 as there simply isn’t anything there right now. O’Rourke seems like he’s clueless as well. 0 adapting or emotion on the bench. Something has to give here.

 

[Leviathan899]

Kumpulainen was a shock for sure but he wasn't a world beater and was also kinda Soft. Sinivuori will do fine replacing him.

Punnet, Lockhart and Rolofs is part of the game, no surprise there.

Ritchie will be back at the end of the month

Roobroeck is getting 4th line minutes in Hartford right now so if that keeps up, he could return.

Bedkowski and Delisle, well, self explanatory.

Obviously Roobroeck coming back would be nice but for sake of argument let's say he doesn't.

Oshawa will definitely look to add an OA cause the current 3 aren't the best available. Oshawa just won't make an OA decision until Roobroeck is confirmed.

I can still see Oshawa filling out the back end with a Konnor Smith and Bronson Ride. Those 2 would definitely change the landscape of our defence and give the offence more confidence. With the way Marrelli and Sandhu are playing offensively and Danford and Svozil on defence, I can see D'Amato being part of the OA trade for Smith. I know some folks around don't see it but I guess that's just my opinion.

Ride is would be a great add of size an toughness to compliment the rest.

If those moves came true, our defence could be...

Marelli-Danford
Sandhu-Smith
Ride-Svozil

That defensive core could be the best in the league.

I also think Oshawa adds another Forward piece. Another 2C but again, depends on Roobroeck.

This team will look vastly different come mid January imo and will right the ship for the playoffs. We just need to trust the process, no matter how bleak and hard they are to watch right now.

Im
At the point where I just want them to get home ice in the playoffs. Not worrying about winning conference or anything, just get better as the year goes on and hopefully make some moves like you’ve said.