OOT Scoreboard 2021-22 Stanley Cup playoffs

[Saugus]

That was quicker than I expected.

 

[BMOK33]

That’s a majorly unfortunate bounce there for Tampa after Hedman made a good play. Makes you wonder if that’s a sign from the Gods this wont be their year

 

[DerekDevils30]

Avs were dominant

 

[NJDevs26]

Neither team could really afford to lose both games in Colorado, the Avs because it's their home ice and they had to at least get an early foothold against a team with more experience, while with Tampa, can you see even them coming from 2-0 down in two straight series? Guess the onus is on Tampa now Saturday.

 

[Bleedred]

Here's yet another game where Colorado's goalie is gonna have a lower save percentage than the other team's goalie, but yet they once again win because once again they have (and this time EIGHTEEEN MORE SHOTS!) MORE SHOTS than the other team by QUITE A BIT! 13-2 with sub-.900% goaltending.

Really, Tampa didn't do anything to impress me tonight other than making Kuemper look his usual since injured mediocre self just like everybody has done (and to Francouz) since he first got injured.

And I'm sure Colorado's team save percentage will fall to below .900% after this one.

I can't remember the last time a team had sub-900% goaltending during the playoffs while being 3 wins away from the cup. I'm sure it was back in the early 90's when you could actually win the cup with sub-900% goaltending because the league average save percentage was below .900%. I've seen mediocre and bad goalies masquerade to look great during the playoffs (Osgood's HORRIFIC 08-09 season that preceded his excellent 2009 playoffs) and I've seen a couple meh goalie performances lead to a cup, like 09 Fleury, 10 Niemi, 14 Quick. And maybe several others way before that. And even career backup Anton Khudobin have a hot streak to backstopping a cup finalist two years ago.

Edit - That's just 15 more shots, not 18, but still.

 

[BMOK33]

Neither team could really afford to lose both games in Colorado, the Avs because it's their home ice and they had to at least get an early foothold against a team with more experience, while with Tampa, can you see even them coming from 2-0 down in two straight series? Guess the onus is on Tampa now Saturday.

Historically it’s really really tough to win a game 7 on the road in the final. I basically discount 2011 as Vancouver was dead. Players in later years said they knew once they didn’t win game 6 they were likely losing the series as 15 guys were basically playing hurt. That leaves STL in 2019 as only case of it in modern day. I always feel road team has to win it in 5 or 6 or it’s more or less written in the stars it’s a loss

 

[Bad Goalie]

2 names I've seen tossed out on this site would be fine in the Devils lineup and wouldn't cost Holtz or #2

Nichushkin was very visible and very good. 52/62GP

Burakovsky did himself proud as well. 61/80GP

Both UFAs. Only cost is a contract.

IMO Avs would be insane to let Nichuskin walk

 

[jkrdevil]

Historically it’s really really tough to win a game 7 on the road in the final. I basically discount 2011 as Vancouver was dead. Players in later years said they knew once they didn’t win game 6 they were likely losing the series as 15 guys were basically playing hurt. That leaves STL in 2019 as only case of it in modern day. I always feel road team has to win it in 5 or 6 or it’s more or less written in the stars it’s a loss

You just named 2 times it happened in the last decade, which also were the last two Finals to go the full 7. (Also, Pittsburgh won Game 7 on the road in ‘09 so it has happened in three consecutive finals that have gone the distance).

Home teams often win Game 7 at home because the better team gets home ice in Game 7.

 

[PKs Broken Stick]

Here's yet another game where Colorado's goalie is gonna have a lower save percentage than the other team's goalie, but yet they once again win because once again they have (and this time EIGHTEEEN MORE SHOTS!) MORE SHOTS than the other team by QUITE A BIT! 13-2 with sub-.900% goaltending.

Really, Tampa didn't do anything to impress me tonight other than making Kuemper look his usual since injured mediocre self just like everybody has done (and to Francouz) since he first got injured.

And I'm sure Colorado's team save percentage will fall to below .900% after this one.

I can't remember the last time a team had sub-900% goaltending during the playoffs while being 3 wins away from the cup. I'm sure it was back in the early 90's when you could actually win the cup with sub-900% goaltending because the league average save percentage was below .900%. I've seen mediocre and bad goalies masquerade to look great during the playoffs (Osgood's HORRIFIC 08-09 season that preceded his excellent 2009 playoffs) and I've seen a couple meh goalie performances lead to a cup, like 09 Fleury, 10 Niemi, 14 Quick. And maybe several others way before that. And even career backup Anton Khudobin have a hot streak to backstopping a cup finalist two years ago.

Edit - That's just 15 more shots, not 18, but still.

Pretty much. It's hilarious they just need good enough goaltending to win it all. Sounds familar huh.

 

[Camille the Eel]

Who on Tampa turned the puck over on the clearing pass out of the zone? Was that Hedman, if so most uncharacteristic. That turnover was where the trouble started.

Tampa nearly won the game on a previous sequence where they carried the puck in deep on Kuemper and there was also sorts of confusion around the Colorado net.

Tampa generated very little after they tied the game. Colorado had a ton of good looks in the third period. Stupid penalty by Marroon also set up the start of OT a man down.,

Don't count the champs out, it's just one game and a game on the road at that. They lost a chance to shock the Av's here, however. The Av's had more to lose tonight than Tampa.

 

[My3Sons]

2 names I've seen tossed out on this site would be fine in the Devils lineup and wouldn't cost Holtz or #2

Nichushkin was very visible and very good. 52/62GP

Burakovsky did himself proud as well. 61/80GP

Both UFAs. Only cost is a contract.

IMO Avs would be insane to let Nichuskin walk

My guess is that all three of the second line Avs UFAs will see what is available in free agency and then see if COL can come close in whic add they will stay. My guess is Nichuskin is the one they keep.

 

[Bleedred]

If Colorado wins the cup I’m sure the “Goaltending doesn’t matter!” Brigade will resurface, but will have been the first time this has been done in decades. Or maybe even forever.

I’m pretty sure they would have went 13-2 to this point with literally anybody but a Louis Domingue or Jon Gillies. A David Rittich probably would have cost them a couple more losses too.

 

[PKs Broken Stick]

If Colorado wins the cup I’m sure the “Goaltending doesn’t matter!” Brigade will resurface, but will have been the first time this has been done in decades. Or maybe even forever.

I’m pretty sure they would have went 13-2 to this point with literally anybody but a Louis Domingue or Jon Gillies. A David Rittich probably would have cost them a couple more losses too.

The only one I care about being part of that is Fitz. I hope he isn't thinking that.

 

[BMOK33]

If Colorado wins the cup I’m sure the “Goaltending doesn’t matter!” Brigade will resurface, but will have been the first time this has been done in decades. Or maybe even forever.

I’m pretty sure they would have went 13-2 to this point with literally anybody but a Louis Domingue or Jon Gillies. A David Rittich probably would have cost them a couple more losses too.

You can win it with meh goaltending but its tough. 2010 and 2009 are good examples. MAF in 09 had the worst save percentage of any cup winning goalie since 1993 at .908...2010 had the Flyers had a decent goalie I do not think CHI wins.

 

[Bleedred]

You can win it with meh goaltending but its tough. 2010 and 2009 are good examples. MAF in 09 had the worst save percentage of any cup winning goalie since 1993 at .908...2010 had the Flyers had a decent goalie I do not think CHI wins.

That’s still considerably better than the Avalanche goalies who have combined for a an .899% as of tonight.

Maybe if you adjust for league average this year you can bring Fleury and Niemi’s from those years down a couple points to .906% or so.

But even in those runs, I can’t really remember, but I don’t think either of those guys teams flew through the playoffs going 13-2 after game 1 of the SCF.

 

[Devils090]

The only one I care about being part of that is Fitz. I hope he isn't thinking that.

Fitz will have PTSD about goaltending for a long time after this season, He probably thinks it matters more than any GM does right now lol

 

[Bleedred]

Tampa is still in this. There’s absolutely no reason to count them out. They started out both rounds 1 and 3 with losing game 1.

Now, I don’t think I like their chances if they go down 2-0 in the series again like they did with the Rangers, so I think a split here in Colorado is pretty close to mandatory if they’re gonna win this series.

I do think they’ll play better than they did tonight, but if they don’t then they’re literally finished because at that point the only thing Colorado needs to win is for their goalie to not get SEVERELY outplayed by Andrei Vasilevskiy. Notice the emphasis on severely. He can get outplayed by Vasilevskiy, but just not severely. That’s if Tampa doesn’t really get it together, because they got outplayed in game 1 and 2 by the Rangers, but not by this much.

Any other team (including the Rangers) and I’m pretty sure Colorado wins this series in 5 or 6 games. You can’t count Tampa out and I don’t think it’s gonna be a quick series if Colorado does win.

But any other team I think this year’s Avs kick the shit out of anybody else. Shesterkin wouldn’t have been as much help when he’s facing 40-60 shots a night. And that’s exactly what Colorado would do to the Rangers. Shesterkin could have a .925%-.930% for the game and still lose with Kuemper or Francouz putting in an .870% night.

 

[NJDevs26]

The only one I care about being part of that is Fitz. I hope he isn't thinking that.

Honestly at this moment I don’t know what the more elusive goal is - building an Avs/Tampa like superteam or finding a unicorn goalie that can pick up the slack if you don’t have one a la Shesty. With all the shitty goaltending right now it almost seems just as hard to find a reliable, upper echelon goalie as it is to build a great roster.

 

[Devils090]

Honestly at this moment I don’t know what the more elusive goal is - building an Avs/Tampa like superteam or finding a unicorn goalie that can pick up the slack if you don’t have one a la Shesty. With all the shitty goaltending right now it almost seems just as hard to find a reliable, upper echelon goalie as it is to build a great roster.

Goalies like Igor are a lottery ticket that somehow hits. 4th rounder in 2014 that becomes arguably the best goalie in the NHL by his 3rd season. I think it’s much more realistic to build a strong team around a good but not elite goalie. Regardless we’re a long ways away from that and im much more concerned about getting a coach and fixing the blue line. We have goalies they just weren’t healthy last year. And if we decide to move on from Blackwood or if Bernier can’t play anymore then we’ll get a Husso or Campbell.

 

[Bleedred]

It’ll be fun to see what team gives Kuemper a dumb contract if he does win and he’s the starter for the entire series and doesn’t get hurt again.

I could see someone like Buffalo offering him like 5 years at some ridiculous cap hit, but I can already see Kenny salivating up in Edmonton right this very second.

And you figure Mike Smith might actually retire or even go LTIR and his cap hit goes away and the stupid dumb Koskinen contract that Chiarelli gave him on his way out the door is now done. They can easily use that to sign Kuemper and roll with a Kuemper-Skinner tandem for next year.

This really is a Kenny Holland special. 32 years old - Kenny loves his old vets. A (potential) cup winner? Kenny’s getting really excited now. And he’s one of the guys that really falls for “Oh yeah, a cup winner and that veteran experience!” So Kuemper could .880% his way to the cup and Kenny Holland will still be sold.

Although, I wouldn’t completely count out Colorado bringing him back if they do win the cup, as we’ve seen PLENTY of teams bring back guys they probably shouldn’t have after a cup win or even just a finals run. Many a bad contract has come from that. Chicago had a TON of them at one point. Too many teams feel like they have to “Keep the cup winner (finalist) together” and still sign the guys they shouldn’t. Khudobin immediately got a 3 year deal after the Dallas cup run, despite a pretty average at best career and already being 34 years old.

But when really thinking about it, I do think Sakic might just thank him for his contributions and send him on his way. Clearly the idea when acquiring him was to “Go for it now!” And not “Go for it now, but try again the next few years with him if that fails” as they clearly didn’t wanna give Grubauer a long contract.

He had a very good regular season, but I can’t see him being good for much longer and he’s a 32 year old injury case at this point.

 

[Bleedred]

Am I the only one that didn’t really like Hedman blocking that shot that rebounded for the game winner?

At that point in the game Vasilevskiy didn’t look like he was gonna allow a clean wrister from there. I like his chances of squaring up and getting hit by that puck.

It would have been a much safer save and a greater chance of a save then having that puck one timed past him and having no chance, which is what happened.

 

[sabremike]

Messier is garbage

What did garbage ever do to you???

It’ll be fun to see what team gives Kuemper a dumb contract if he does win and he’s the starter for the entire series and doesn’t get hurt again.

I could see someone like Buffalo offering him like 5 years at some ridiculous cap hit, but I can already see Kenny salivating up in Edmonton right this very second.

And you figure Mike Smith might actually retire or even go LTIR and his cap hit goes away and the stupid dumb Koskinen contract that Chiarelli gave him on his way out the door is now done. They can easily use that to sign Kuemper and roll with a Kuemper-Skinner tandem for next year.

This really is a Kenny Holland special. 32 years old - Kenny loves his old vets. A (potential) cup winner? Kenny’s getting really excited now. And he’s one of the guys that really falls for “Oh yeah, a cup winner and that veteran experience!” So Kuemper could .880% his way to the cup and Kenny Holland will still be sold.

Although, I wouldn’t completely count out Colorado bringing him back if they do win the cup, as we’ve seen PLENTY of teams bring back guys they probably shouldn’t have after a cup win or even just a finals run. Many a bad contract has come from that. Chicago had a TON of them at one point. Too many teams feel like they have to “Keep the cup winner (finalist) together” and still sign the guys they shouldn’t. Khudobin immediately got a 3 year deal after the Dallas cup run, despite a pretty average at best career and already being 34 years old.

But when really thinking about it, I do think Sakic might just thank him for his contributions and send him on his way. Clearly the idea when acquiring him was to “Go for it now!” And not “Go for it now, but try again the next few years with him if that fails” as they clearly didn’t wanna give Grubauer a long contract.

He had a very good regular season, but I can’t see him being good for much longer and he’s a 32 year old injury case at this point.

Sabres are absolutely not doing that. They only want a one or two season placeholder before UPL/Levi.

It’ll be fun to see what team gives Kuemper a dumb contract if he does win and he’s the starter for the entire series and doesn’t get hurt again.

I could see someone like Buffalo offering him like 5 years at some ridiculous cap hit, but I can already see Kenny salivating up in Edmonton right this very second.

And you figure Mike Smith might actually retire or even go LTIR and his cap hit goes away and the stupid dumb Koskinen contract that Chiarelli gave him on his way out the door is now done. They can easily use that to sign Kuemper and roll with a Kuemper-Skinner tandem for next year.

This really is a Kenny Holland special. 32 years old - Kenny loves his old vets. A (potential) cup winner? Kenny’s getting really excited now. And he’s one of the guys that really falls for “Oh yeah, a cup winner and that veteran experience!” So Kuemper could .880% his way to the cup and Kenny Holland will still be sold.

Although, I wouldn’t completely count out Colorado bringing him back if they do win the cup, as we’ve seen PLENTY of teams bring back guys they probably shouldn’t have after a cup win or even just a finals run. Many a bad contract has come from that. Chicago had a TON of them at one point. Too many teams feel like they have to “Keep the cup winner (finalist) together” and still sign the guys they shouldn’t. Khudobin immediately got a 3 year deal after the Dallas cup run, despite a pretty average at best career and already being 34 years old.

But when really thinking about it, I do think Sakic might just thank him for his contributions and send him on his way. Clearly the idea when acquiring him was to “Go for it now!” And not “Go for it now, but try again the next few years with him if that fails” as they clearly didn’t wanna give Grubauer a long contract.

He had a very good regular season, but I can’t see him being good for much longer and he’s a 32 year old injury case at this point.

Sabres are absolutely not doing that. They only want a one or two season placeholder before UPL/Levi.

It’ll be fun to see what team gives Kuemper a dumb contract if he does win and he’s the starter for the entire series and doesn’t get hurt again.

I could see someone like Buffalo offering him like 5 years at some ridiculous cap hit, but I can already see Kenny salivating up in Edmonton right this very second.

And you figure Mike Smith might actually retire or even go LTIR and his cap hit goes away and the stupid dumb Koskinen contract that Chiarelli gave him on his way out the door is now done. They can easily use that to sign Kuemper and roll with a Kuemper-Skinner tandem for next year.

This really is a Kenny Holland special. 32 years old - Kenny loves his old vets. A (potential) cup winner? Kenny’s getting really excited now. And he’s one of the guys that really falls for “Oh yeah, a cup winner and that veteran experience!” So Kuemper could .880% his way to the cup and Kenny Holland will still be sold.

Although, I wouldn’t completely count out Colorado bringing him back if they do win the cup, as we’ve seen PLENTY of teams bring back guys they probably shouldn’t have after a cup win or even just a finals run. Many a bad contract has come from that. Chicago had a TON of them at one point. Too many teams feel like they have to “Keep the cup winner (finalist) together” and still sign the guys they shouldn’t. Khudobin immediately got a 3 year deal after the Dallas cup run, despite a pretty average at best career and already being 34 years old.

But when really thinking about it, I do think Sakic might just thank him for his contributions and send him on his way. Clearly the idea when acquiring him was to “Go for it now!” And not “Go for it now, but try again the next few years with him if that fails” as they clearly didn’t wanna give Grubauer a long contract.

He had a very good regular season, but I can’t see him being good for much longer and he’s a 32 year old injury case at this point.

Sabres are absolutely not doing that. They only want a one or two season placeholder before UPL/Levi.

 

[Devils090]

Am I the only one that didn’t really like Hedman blocking that shot that rebounded for the game winner?

At that point in the game Vasilevskiy didn’t look like he was gonna allow a clean wrister from there. I like his chances of squaring up and getting hit by that puck.

It would have been a much safer save and a greater chance of a save then having that puck one timed past him and having no chance, which is what happened.

Compher had a great look right in the slot idk what defenseman isn’t jumping in the way there

 

[PKs Broken Stick]

Honestly at this moment I don’t know what the more elusive goal is - building an Avs/Tampa like superteam or finding a unicorn goalie that can pick up the slack if you don’t have one a la Shesty. With all the shitty goaltending right now it almost seems just as hard to find a reliable, upper echelon goalie as it is to build a great roster.

I don't think the Avs and Tampa are similar at all. The avs are way more offensive minded while Tampa is more well rounded and have an elite goalie. I mentioned it before, but it looks like the devils are going the avs route. They just need a goalie who's not complete crap.

 

[PKs Broken Stick]

I also think it's a bit unfair to compare to these 2 teams (lightning/avs). They are benefitting or benefitted from having an elite player at ridiculously cheap salary.

Maybe the Devils can be in a similar position in a few years if/when the salary cap goes up with Jack Hughes being on a steal of a contract.