Buffalo Bills Onto Week 3 at Miami

[FIRE DRURY]

If Von Miller is on this team after the three-year poison pill runs out, I'll eat a...Von Miller jersey. He's so awesome but the guy already seems to have his eyes on something different than McBeane culture.

Can you imagine how irritating it is for a guy like Crowder or McKenzie to have the new FA pickup slobber over a washed vet because he has a big name? Josh seemed annoyed in the press conference and Diggs literally wouldn't answer about it.

Washed up vet….? Miller was dominant last night.

Crowder and McK have never, and will never impact the game like Von has throughout his career.

Are you ok….? Serious question.

 

[Rowley Birkin]

Am I crazy or did he not Tweet out that the Rams lost to a team who wouldn't make it out of the AFC for the Super Bowl like...minutes later.

Stop protecting OBJ. He's a cancer. Baker was a broken QB in Cleveland but OBJ let his daddy do a lot of the talking to tank an otherwise decent team. He would do it again in a heartbeat. I want him nowhere near this team and I think it's frankly a bit odd that Von has such a crush on him.



I agree but you do realize we were trying to showcase Moss for a trade, correct? He's on the trading block. We just underestimated how shitty he could be, even when showcasing him.

Singletary will get 12-15 carries a game moving forward, I assume, and Cook will get right back in the lineup. You simply have to staple a rookie to the bench for a costly fumble and it wasn't like they needed him then. They'll need him next week and he'll play. And hopefully we can salvage a 7th rounder for Moss by then.

I don't think they are shopping Moss. If they trade him for a R7 they will need to replace him & that's likely to cost more than a R7 at this point - plus cap space which is always at a premium.

You know that I'm right with you as regards OBJ.

 

[Dirty Dog]

Lamar has actually been a super effective and efficient passer throughout his career. But I generally agree he’s not on Allen’s bad Mahomes level.

I believe he has had two 300 yard games in his career. He is entering his fifth year

Mostly efficient like you said (or opportunistic imo). But any stat talking about passing yards…he honestly shouldn’t even be in the conversation, he’s done nothing to earn that. Not to pile on, but his 170 average yards per game is extremely low…The sample size is large enough that his huge gap between other starting QBs can’t be ignored.

And I like Lamar and recognize what he does extremely well. But he is not on Allen’s or Mahomes’s level under any scenario. He isn’t on the second or third tier when it comes to throwing the ball. He had one season with a statistical outlier of TD passes and has done nothing else: no counting stats; individual consistency; or team success. Greg Roman built a great scheme for him dependent on Lamar running the ball, but it unfortunately limited him as a passer. We saw it with kaepernick, and to a lesser extent, tyrod Taylor. I think Roman’s scheme is great for a short period of success at the complete detriment of developing QBs as passers. I think Roman is terrible for Lamar

 

[buffalowing88]

I don't think they are shopping Moss. If they trade him for a R7 they will need to replace him & that's likely to cost more than a R7 at this point - plus cap space which is always at a premium.

You know that I'm right with you as regards OBJ.

That's what I keep being told but then why did he get that many touches? We've known he sucks for over a calendar year now....

If Dorsey thinks there is room for Moss on this roster than I'm a bit shocked haha.

TY for supporting me in my anti OBJ stance, I know you were there before even I.

Washed up vet….? Miller was dominant last night.

Crowder and McK have never, and will never impact the game like Von has throughout his career.

Are you ok….? Serious question.

No. I went to elementary school in South Buffalo. So I can read and also read context. I was referring to OBJ, pal.

 

[buffalowing88]

He’s had 15+ carries 16 times in 46 games. Again, I’m ok being a pass heavy offense. But when your lead back is getting 6 yards a carry, feed him the ball more than twice a quarter. That’s all I’m saying. I don’t understand why this rational is ludacris.

And Moss? You’re not getting more than a late pick for him. He’s a dime a dozen player.

I don't know if you're responding to me or to God anymore but don't tag me in it...

We all have a right to be nonsensical here once in awhile. Lord knows this forum has had to hear my Tage Thompson rants. But at least direct it to something specific because I have no idea what you're referencing.

I think I actually agree with the sentiment?

 

[buffalowing88]

I believe he has had two 300 yard games in his career. He is entering his fifth year

Mostly efficient like you said (or opportunistic imo). But any stat talking about passing yards…he honestly shouldn’t even be in the conversation, he’s done nothing to earn that. Not to pile on, but his 170 average yards per game is extremely low…The sample size is large enough that his huge gap between other starting QBs can’t be ignored.

And I like Lamar and recognize what he does extremely well. But he is not on Allen’s or Mahomes’s level under any scenario. But he isn’t on the second or third tier when it comes to throwing the ball. He had one season with a statistical outlier of TD passes and has done nothing else: no counting stats; individual consistency; or team success. Greg Roman built a great scheme for him dependent on Lamar running the ball, but it unfortunately limited him as a passer. We saw it with kaepernick, and to a lesser extent, tyrod Taylor. I think Roman’s scheme is great for a short period of success at the complete detriment of developing QBs as passers

Jesus everything about your post just turned me on. You should be an analyst.

Lamar isn't worth a dime over $40 million a year but he'll probably get it from a dumb team who will promptly be 7-10 for a decade.

But I also agree that Roman is building schemes that exploit, rather than develop, young QBs.

I wonder sometimes what Taylor could have been. It's disturbing how often I am guilty, let alone plenty others, of saying the man couldn't throw deep.

Taylor had a great arm. He just got limited and got in his own head and that was that. I will always give that man grace for the Miami game in I think 2016 when he finally did start winging it.

All that said, Lamar is an enigma and I want no part of a QB who is an enigma in year 5.

I think it's a race thing at this point because he gets hyped up by celebrities who are also Black and see his efforts as an indicator about everything they can do and that's great. Lamar did prove that a Black QB can succeed. I just don't think they'll easily swallow the idea that he could also have already peaked.

 

[PatLaFontaineASMR]

Am I crazy or did he not Tweet out that the Rams lost to a team who wouldn't make it out of the AFC for the Super Bowl like...minutes later.

Stop protecting OBJ. He's a cancer. Baker was a broken QB in Cleveland but OBJ let his daddy do a lot of the talking to tank an otherwise decent team. He would do it again in a heartbeat. I want him nowhere near this team and I think it's frankly a bit odd that Von has such a crush on him.



I agree but you do realize we were trying to showcase Moss for a trade, correct? He's on the trading block. We just underestimated how shitty he could be, even when showcasing him.

Singletary will get 12-15 carries a game moving forward, I assume, and Cook will get right back in the lineup. You simply have to staple a rookie to the bench for a costly fumble and it wasn't like they needed him then. They'll need him next week and he'll play. And hopefully we can salvage a 7th rounder for Moss by then.

He tweeted the exact opposite lol. He said the Rams lost to a team who were likely gonna be making it out of the AFC. Not that they lost to a team who wouldn't make it of the AFC. That doesn't even make any sense.

Nobody is protecting OBJ you just read the tweet wrong.

 

[Selanne00008]

Bills DT Ed Oliver says he expects to be OK after exiting opener with ankle injury

A first-round pick in the 2019 NFL Draft (ninth overall), Oliver is a key part of the defensive line for a Bills team that was the pre-season favourite to win the Super Bowl.

www.sportsnet.ca

Great news on Oliver! With the extra few days I'm guessing he'll be good to go.

 

[K8fool]

I'll tell ya, coming to a thread that has fan boys actually listening to what Odell Beckham has to say is sad and fascinating on so many levels.

Mainly the fact that after a win like that I'd Rather hear from Crowder or maybe what it was like for hodgins watching his team that he probably played one of the rams receiver on the scout team pay off .

Why should we displace a guy that's laid it on the line for us for years and has less talent but fits in the room and has repoir w josh and we don't risk drama In the Media w all of the added attention.. one thing I love about josh and diggs. If I watch an interview on McAfee or a more straight news outlet I actually seem to love the team more by how present they both are . They always very open and genuinely humble and aware of how fragile this entire team dynamic is . Even if it's not that fragile anymore they treat every exposure to the public as representing not only the Team but they seem to embody the essence of all of the city of buffalo and the fans around the country..

If Odell is so needy he wants to bask in the glow of a team that has worked hard knowing the world was against them until recently .. I'm sure to prove his humble desire to desire to be considered for our depth 7th wr , can beg a little more , promise to take a sabres contract of very minimum 750 and line the practice squad up and ......well we already went thru that w a punter we don't need. . I get the kids on the board s desire to assemble a perfect team on paper but w all the tweets , I've had enough of Odell and his need to have his life as EdTv .. sorry OdellTc I saw that show at Cleveland and I've seen Antonio brown. I think it's ti me to see Diggs Davis and McKenzie if he can chill w crowder and shakir ready to step in hungry. If you want the experience w josh and get the hang out w your hall of Fame pal von Miller maybe chill and wait til our bye to see how everyone gates.. I hope I never see another lame post encouraging some narrative that we need a media darling beside miss Bush.. As reporters try to find any angle inside as We circle the wagons all year , one game at a time.. Take care , hope we fare well and stay healthy as we approach round two of the 17 round fight we are in to make the post season.. I hope you rehab well, you are very talented on the field.

 

[brian_griffin]

Jesus everything about your post just turned me on. You should be an analyst.

Lamar isn't worth a dime over $40 million a year but he'll probably get it from a dumb team who will promptly be 7-10 for a decade.

But I also agree that Roman is building schemes that exploit, rather than develop, young QBs.

I wonder sometimes what Taylor could have been. It's disturbing how often I am guilty, let alone plenty others, of saying the man couldn't throw deep.

Taylor had a great arm. He just got limited and got in his own head and that was that. I will always give that man grace for the Miami game in I think 2016 when he finally did start winging it.

All that said, Lamar is an enigma and I want no part of a QB who is an enigma in year 5.

I think it's a race thing at this point because he gets hyped up by celebrities who are also Black and see his efforts as an indicator about everything they can do and that's great. Lamar did prove that a Black QB can succeed. I just don't think they'll easily swallow the idea that he could also have already peaked.

Agreed. Both Lamar Jackson and Tyrol Taylor throw a great deep ball. Excellent runners. It has been short-range accuracy which limited them from upper tiers.

 

[Onry]

I believe he has had two 300 yard games in his career. He is entering his fifth year

Mostly efficient like you said (or opportunistic imo). But any stat talking about passing yards…he honestly shouldn’t even be in the conversation, he’s done nothing to earn that. Not to pile on, but his 170 average yards per game is extremely low…The sample size is large enough that his huge gap between other starting QBs can’t be ignored.

And I like Lamar and recognize what he does extremely well. But he is not on Allen’s or Mahomes’s level under any scenario. He isn’t on the second or third tier when it comes to throwing the ball. He had one season with a statistical outlier of TD passes and has done nothing else: no counting stats; individual consistency; or team success. Greg Roman built a great scheme for him dependent on Lamar running the ball, but it unfortunately limited him as a passer. We saw it with kaepernick, and to a lesser extent, tyrod Taylor. I think Roman’s scheme is great for a short period of success at the complete detriment of developing QBs as passers. I think Roman is terrible for Lamar

DD's right....
Who at this point can measure, let alone try to predict Lamar's potential, and who's fault is that?

THE ENTIRE reason Lamar drama will he/won't he sign with Ravens...even long before the Watson/Browns deal broke bank for all future QB negotiations clouded it further...is that the man wants out. Sure, the money's the gorilla in the room but he'll get paid wherever he goes.

Lamar, and all the young, talented, exciting young QBs throughout the NFL are recognizing their power to gravitate out of stale, restrictive, and "safe" organizational visions and structure (Seahawks) into environments featuring team concepts that embrace an individual's creativity and talents (KC, Bills). That's how I translate the McDermott/Beane phrase, "help them to become the best player they can be".

Jackson, while unrepresented, is working this brilliantly: waiting it out, keeping a low profile, working as a team leader while keeping the persona. He doesn't have the Rodgers' juice to publicly flex muscles with the front office and, at this point (post Watson) when it could be about the $, I won't be shocked if it's a long orchestrated journey for his freedom.

 

[brian_griffin]

Re: above
Plus Lamar’s mom is smart and savvy. Don’t think because he doesn’t have an agent that the Ravens have the upper hand by default.

 

[Onry]

I loved the game, but want to tap the brakes a bit. And, in their post-game interviews, McD and some players did the same - it was one game.

Maybe they knew before the coin toss: the SB winning Rams were "not showing up" as at least 2/3 (!!!!) of that team never saw a snap in pre-season. How is that possible? It's not like they had a zillion draft picks to look over,

Their philosophy was to gamble everything on established stars and, with OBJ out, they threw all night to Cupp while their other WR stud (Robinson?) got only 2 looks? Rams O and D line didn't look ready to be physical, and I went over the highlights 4 times to specifically watch Ramsey...not for just the plays where he got burned by Diggs, but every play he was on the field: almost always a late-arriving spectator, if at all.

This was ALL on Sean McVay. Absolute bitch slap of the Rams fans on their biggest night ever. For a guy who's allegedly such a NFL coaching mastermind, how are they not better prepared for this game?

Maybe the general otherworldly superior self assessment of SoCal as a whole just as a PLACE?

 

[Dubi Doo]

I loved the game, but want to tap the brakes a bit. And, in their post-game interviews, McD and some players did the same - it was one game.

Maybe they knew before the coin toss: the SB winning Rams were "not showing up" as at least 2/3 (!!!!) of that team never saw a snap in pre-season. How is that possible? It's not like they had a zillion draft picks to look over,

Their philosophy was to gamble everything on established stars and, with OBJ out, they threw all night to Cupp while their other WR stud (Robinson?) got only 2 looks? Rams O and D line didn't look ready to be physical, and I went over the highlights 4 times to specifically watch Ramsey...not for just the plays where he got burned by Diggs, but every play he was on the field: almost always a late-arriving spectator, if at all.

This was ALL on Sean McVay. Absolute bitch slap of the Rams fans on their biggest night ever. For a guy who's allegedly such a NFL coaching mastermind, how are they not better prepared for this game?

Maybe the general otherworldly superior self assessment of SoCal as a whole just as a PLACE?

It's fun to overreact when your team wins week one, and it's easy to ignore overreactions when your team loses because it's only week one. It was a fun game that Ive watched the highlights to at least 5 times. Take it with a grain of salt for sure, but Im glad they beat the hell out of the Rams because I MISSED football.

 

[Dirty Dog]

Waller just got extended, I’m assuming that’ll put knox as the 7th highest paid TE.

 

[BowieSabresFan]

I'm not too worried about the win making the players too cocky. They seem well-aware that this is only the first game in a long season that only has one goal.

It was definitely fun to watch though.

 

[Taro Tsujimoto]

 

[Dubi Doo]

Waller just got extended, I’m assuming that’ll put knox as the 7th highest paid TE.

3 year 51M, but we need to see the guaranteed to know what the cap hit is. Waller is better than Knox, but he's also 4 years older, so the cap hits may be a bit closer.

It really is amazing the work Beane has done. You have a few guys who leave bitching and moaning about stuff (mostly interior o linemen), but the vast majority want to stay and none of them (that I recall) have held out. I think that shows us that players want to be here, they want to be part of the team, and they know we're contending so they want to contribute as much as possible.

Really hope we can keep Poyer. Hes a good one.

 

[Onry]

I'm not worried about Bills cockiness. They seem grounded for the long haul.

Just commenting on the (1) Rams' preparation, or lack of it, being semi-criminal to their paying fans, not understanding it coming from a pro team, and (2) not reading too much into the Bills' domination of them as a result.

 

[Husko]

Good work on the Poyer deal. Very happy they’re just letting the season play out instead of committing real money to an extension. As we all expected, they’re throwing some money at him to keep him happy

 

[Onry]

3 year 51M, but we need to see the guaranteed to know what the cap hit is. Waller is better than Knox, but he's also 5-6 years older. We got Knox in his prime where as the Raiders got Waller in the backend of his prime. Im thinking the cap hits may be pretty close due to that fact.


It really is amazing the work Beane has done. You have a few guys who leave bitching and moaning about stuff (mostly interior o linemen), but the vast majority want to stay and none of them (that I recall) have held out. I think that shows us that players want to be here, they want to be part of the team, and they know we're contending so they want to contribute as much as possible.

Really hope we can keep Poyer. Hes a good one.

Amen on Poyer. Good work

 

[Dubi Doo]

If Von Miller is on this team after the three-year poison pill runs out, I'll eat a...Von Miller jersey. He's so awesome but the guy already seems to have his eyes on something different than McBeane culture.

Can you imagine how irritating it is for a guy like Crowder or McKenzie to have the new FA pickup slobber over a washed vet because he has a big name? Josh seemed annoyed in the press conference and Diggs literally wouldn't answer about it.

I dont know why the team would be mad about adding a first ballot HoFer. He'll garner a TON of respect in the lockerroom. Players of his caliber that have performed at the level he has are incredibly rare. The d line probably looks at him like mr miyagi, haha.

Also, Allen doesnt seem too pissed here, and Im sure he was happy as hell the Von was a huge factor in stopping the Rams offense when the Bills O turned the ball over 4 times.



I dont even care for OBJ, but Miller has seemingly been great for the lockerroom and his presence on the field may be huge, too.

 

[Husko]

The Von (and OBJ, though it’s different) hate absolutely blows my mind. The team is good and fun now. Good players with big personalities want to come here. Awesome. I still love my Kyle Williams jersey but I for one am not yearning for the days of try hards like him and Eric Wood being the faces of the franchise. The patriots built a dynasty partly on getting loud mouth, problem player, head cases with talent to come help them win. I’m cool with doing that too. Von can be as much of a knucklehead as he wants; he’s earned it.

 

[SundherDome]

Am I crazy or did he not Tweet out that the Rams lost to a team who wouldn't make it out of the AFC for the Super Bowl like...minutes later.

Stop protecting OBJ. He's a cancer. Baker was a broken QB in Cleveland but OBJ let his daddy do a lot of the talking to tank an otherwise decent team. He would do it again in a heartbeat. I want him nowhere near this team and I think it's frankly a bit odd that Von has such a crush on him.



I agree but you do realize we were trying to showcase Moss for a trade, correct? He's on the trading block. We just underestimated how shitty he could be, even when showcasing him.

Singletary will get 12-15 carries a game moving forward, I assume, and Cook will get right back in the lineup. You simply have to staple a rookie to the bench for a costly fumble and it wasn't like they needed him then. They'll need him next week and he'll play. And hopefully we can salvage a 7th rounder for Moss by then.

You're crazy.


Watch the bullshxt story lines and how they try to count the Rams out after one game!!!! Lol like they didn’t lose to the team that’s most likely comin outta the AFC

 

[Onry]

The Von (and OBJ, though it’s different) hate absolutely blows my mind. The team is good and fun now. Good players with big personalities want to come here. Awesome. I still love my Kyle Williams jersey but I for one am not yearning for the days of try hards like him and Eric Wood being the faces of the franchise. The patriots built a dynasty partly on getting loud mouth, problem player, head cases with talent to come help them win. I’m cool with doing that too. Von can be as much of a knucklehead as he wants; he’s earned it.

I think it's less of knucklehead, and more of just unbridled excitement and energy. Von's been reborn like a kid in a candy store / 1st present opened under the Xmas tree. Exuberant.