GDT: ONCE MORE UNTO THE BREACH, DEAR FRIENDS, ONCE MORE

[The Jerk Store]

This is the biggest complaint I have of our players this series.

It's not like it was some great mystery that we needed to put players in front of Bob with how he had played before us in the playoffs.

We didn’t initiate much in way of physical play either.

 

[Blueline Bomber]

Yeah, how much can we really blame Necas when Rod kept him on Staal's 3rd line? Even if the Staal line gets a good amount of TOI, it's safe to say Necas didn't have some of the better linemates.

Rod should've put Necas back to the top 6 for this series. It took him too long to change the lines that worked well enough against NJ, and that was a big part of the problem. Even after he changed the lines, Necas was still on the 3rd line.

I would've been okay with Necas being on the 1st line with Aho and Jarvis, especially at home with last line change, if that meant more goals.

For that reason and several others, Waddell and the rest of our front office better have a good offseason.

Enough of not getting over the hump; injuries or not. Past history aside, set this team up for success as much as possible.

You wanted the Necas that has been basically invisible since mid-March to get more ice time?

He had 7 goals in the 31 games since Svech went down. He (and Aho, frankly) were non-factors in two of the three series the team played (Necas against NYI and FLA, Aho against Jersey and FLA).

The earlier than expected exit was due to three factors: Bob was superhuman, our remaining legitimate Top 6 forwards weren’t impactful enough, and (surprise, surprise) our PP stunk.

 

[Tryamw]

Honestly I didn't expect to make it to the ECF after Svech went down.. Do I like how we went out? no..

 

[chaz4hockey]

Patches was an exceptionally good offseason pickup and then tragedy struck.

It is not often that teams that finish in the 110s in points acquire a top 6 winger and a top pair dman and give up virtually nothing in return. They were savvy moves that demonstrated an understanding of what the team needed to get better.

Sorry, don’t agree. It looked good on paper but result was dismal.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

Sorry, don’t agree. It looked good on paper but result was dismal.

GMs live in the now not in hindsight land

 

[ElmCityGuy]

Honestly I didn't expect to make it to the ECF after Svech went down.. Do I like how we went out? no..

Yea.. before the playoffs started I would have guessed round 2 to the Rangers in 6 games.

 

[Identity404]

Patches was an exceptionally good offseason pickup and then tragedy struck.

It is not often that teams that finish in the 110s in points acquire a top 6 winger and a top pair dman and give up virtually nothing in return. They were savvy moves that demonstrated an understanding of what the team needed to get better.

Pacioretty was cheap because of his injury history. I don't think the Borg should be given any kudos for the potential that Patches remained healthy and produced in the top six. He was a gamble that didn't pay off. Even though he had a bit of a freak injury that kept him out, him being healthy most of the season was also unlikely

 

[Sigurd]

You wanted the Necas that has been basically invisible since mid-March to get more ice time?

He had 7 goals in the 31 games since Svech went down. He (and Aho, frankly) were non-factors in two of the three series the team played (Necas against NYI and FLA, Aho against Jersey and FLA).

The earlier than expected exit was due to three factors: Bob was superhuman, our remaining legitimate Top 6 forwards weren’t impactful enough, and (surprise, surprise) our PP stunk.

You'd have a good point, except Fast and Martinook just had excellent playoff performances this year for us, and they're hardly the only players to have ever stepped up during the playoffs during a low key season, or in Necas's case late in the season, an inconsistent season.

Also, who is to say Necas wouldn't have generated more offense if he was in the top 6 with better linemates than Staal and one of TT (since you brought up Necas struggling late in the regular season; TT seems VERY relevant unless you think he's been good) or Drury (a kid still trying to break into a bigger role with the organization after being in the AHL)?

Back to Martinook and Fast, they were promoted to the 2nd line for a long time, and did well. They were bumped down to the 4th line after having so much success, but Necas stayed on the 3rd line (iirc, TT was promoted to the 2nd line and that's on top of his recent injury)?

Nope, doesn't make sense to keep Necas on the 3rd line; especially since he's one of the small handful of offensively skilled forwards we have/had left after all of our injuries.

*Edit* I think some folks just don't want to blame Rod for anything. I love the guy too, but he doesn't walk on water. We can complain when warranted.

 

[chaz4hockey]

GMs live in the now not in hindsight land

Gms get fired for making apparently “good” on paper but ultimately poor decisions. Calgary’s GM took a lot of heat this season even though he “won” the off season.

 

[Anton Dubinchuk]

Pacioretty was cheap because of his injury history. I don't think the Borg should be given any kudos for the potential that Patches remained healthy and produced in the top six. He was a gamble that didn't pay off. Even though he had a bit of a freak injury that kept him out, him being healthy most of the season was also unlikely

Him being healthy "most" of the season was probably a more likely outcome than him missing the entire season.

Also, Pacioretty was cheap because Vegas needed the cap space. His injury history played a part but was not the main driver. In his prior 3 seasons he'd played 39/82, 48/56, and 71/71 games. His 39 game season was because of broken bones, not the type of "recurring" injury that gets you an "injury prone" reputation. The full season Achilles injury was a fluke that had nothing to do with prior injury history.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

Gms get fired for making apparently “good” on paper but ultimately poor decisions. Calgary’s GM took a lot of heat this season even though he “won” the off season.

GMs get fired for making terrible that were terrible when made and continued to be terrible for a long time. Luckily for us, Gardiner has been on LTIR for 2 seasons. That was the only one close to that criteria. Patches deal looked great on paper. The best part is, it doesn’t hurt us. Nor did any of the others being 1 year deals.

Stas’ deal looked good until he fell off a cliff
Kase was the real iffy one. But it only hurt in terms of 1.5 million real dollars. Not much at all

 

[Identity404]

Him being healthy "most" of the season was probably a more likely outcome than him missing the entire season.

He barely played in 50% of the games the previous two seasons before we aquire him. Him playing most of the season was always a gamble.

 

[Lempo]

Patches was an exceptionally good offseason pickup and then tragedy struck.

The Patches injury pronity proneness... was factored into the price we paid for him. The odds for us getting a prime Patches to play for us weren't particularly good. Tying up 10M of cap into him came with a calculated risk that then non-unexpectedly realized.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

The Patches injury pronity proneness... was factored into the price we paid for him. The odds for us getting a prime Patches to play for us weren't particularly good. Tying up 10M of cap into him came with a calculated risk that then non-unexpectedly realized.

10M?

It was a risk of him playing a more than 50+ games, not a risk of him playing less than 6.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

He barely played in 50% of the games the previous two seasons before we aquire him. Him playing most of the season was always a gamble.

That's a bit misleading

Regular season:
He played 71/71 3 seasons before (100%)
He played 48/56 2 seasons before (86%)
He played 39/82 1 season before. (48%)

If it was the same injury that caused him to miss time in the prior seasons, then sure, I'd agree with you, but tearing his achilles wasn't related to anything prior to that.

As we've seen with guys like Justin Williams where he had 4 seasons with injuries, guys can get an "injury prone" label and be perfectly healthy the next season.

 

[Anton Dubinchuk]

He barely played in 50% of the games the previous two seasons before we aquire him. Him playing most of the season was always a gamble.

That's just not true. Remember the season before last was a 56 game season. His injuries last season were broken bones, not the type of thing that recurs.

 

[Svechhammer]

The Patches injury pronity proneness... was factored into the price we paid for him.

Which, we must reiterate, was that we took Coghlan off their hands, too, in return for absolutely nothing.

 

[Identity404]

That's just not true. Remember the season before last was a 56 game season. His injuries last season were broken bones, not the type of thing that recurs.

That's a bit misleading

Regular season:
He played 71/71 3 seasons before (100%)
He played 48/56 2 seasons before (86%)
He played 39/82 1 season before. (48%)

If it was the same injury that caused him to miss time in the prior seasons, then sure, I'd agree with you, but tearing his achilles wasn't related to anything prior to that.

As we've seen with guys like Justin Williams where he had 4 seasons with injuries, guys can get an "injury prone" label and be perfectly healthy the next season.

My bad, I forgot about the COVID cup.

Even if we don't label him as injury prone (Vegas still chose him as their cap dump, so I assume they must have had some concerns). I still don't see why we should give credit to the Borg for a paper win during the off-season. It had the potential for being a good move, and didn't pan out. It's a wash.

 

[tarheelhockey]

Postseason is going to depress scoring. Amd when was he getting top minutes this postseason?

He got PP1 time, but I don't think they ever played him on Aho's line at even strength this offseason.

Sure postseason depresses scoring, but not to the tune of 50%.

We have one more year of Necas on a bargain contract. Next summer he’s going to get paid like a 25 year old 28-goal scorer gets paid. We need to be pretty damn careful with that situation, considering he’s one of the only pure-offense players on the team and he doesn’t produce offense in a physical environment.

 

[Anton Dubinchuk]

My bad, I forgot about the COVID cup.

Even if we don't label him as injury prone (Vegas still chose him as their cap dump, so I assume they must have had some concerns). I still don't see why we should give credit to the Borg for a paper win during the off-season. It had the potential for being a good move, and didn't pan out. It's a wash.

Because a process-oriented assessment is probably a better indicator of future performance than a results-oriented assessment where we say “Pacioretty got hurt and therefore it wasn’t a smart move and the Borg doesn’t know how to make smart moves.”

 

[hangman005]

Sad to see you jerks out, no one has ever come back from being eliminated but I'm hoping the Canes will be the first

Hoping you guys comeback and take the next leap next season.

 

[Anton Dubinchuk]

Sad to see you jerks out, no one has ever come back from being eliminated but I'm hoping the Canes will be the first

Yeah if we find a way to come back and win this series it’ll be the greatest comeback in NHL history for sure.

 

[tarheelhockey]

Yeah if we find a way to come back and win this series it’ll be the greatest comeback in NHL history for sure.

Never give up.

First thing tomorrow morning, we start digging into potential ineligible players on the Panthers roster. Gonna have to dig deep to win the case for a forfeit, but I think this group is special enough to pull it off.

 

[Cormag001]

I had a lot of fun watching this team this year. Painful way to go out. Can’t wait to do it again.

 

[Kyle Broflovski]

I like the team, Unfortunately Canes lost very closely although it is 0:4. Every Game against florida was tight and Canes never has the luck as Florida always had.
Sorry, the SC Finals are trash this year, Cats vs Knights