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Olympic Hockey Refereeing: Part II (mod warning post #190)

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Ralfduran said:
I think it's kind of sad that we don't review the refs during the tournament, and let the best refs of the tournament do the final game? Why decide before hand? Euro refs can't compete with this system.
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The decision on which refs would get the final game WAS decided based on performance, and was only finalized yesterday - see the article linked in my post (and the post of someone before me).
 
StittsvilleJames said:
But they decided the refs before they knew who was in the game (and forsberg didn't whine then...)
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I can agree that the procedure is wrong. The "best" isn't the "best" in all circumstances.

I do not think this is up to debate. If you got a game with two nations involved the the refs should be from other nations.
[Insert Crazy pills gif]
 
aphyro said:
Edler dident hit Staal on purpose but still it was an dirty hit... or do you really think Edler wanted to hurt Staal on purpose?
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[mod] for those curious about the hit:

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Starbuds said:
[mod] for those curious about the hit:

pSQY9S6.gif
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In slowmotion this looks like a dirty hit try to put a gif with the real speed and see how much time he has to react...

Who am i kidding talking with canadians about Canada hockey its like talking with a wall:shakehead
 
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pepty said:
This may have been strategic by Forsberg to make sure Sweden gets extra benefit of some calls. Pat Quinn used to be a master at this.
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I was just going to post a similar statement. A little gamesmanship before the gold medal game. He says what he says and now there's a little extra pressure on the refs to possibly put the whistle away on a borderline call.

The NHL refs are the best choice because they are familiar with most of the players on the team




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aphyro said:
Hockey is just as corrupted as Football and this is just proving it...


And yes Canadians are cheaters in hockey...
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Have any examples? Why did Swedish hockey officials make the decision to choose Canadian refs? Answer that. Your own damn country chose the refs!
 
Ralfduran said:
What is fair? The only option was either American or Canadian referees to begin with.
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No that is not the case at all from what I understand.
There were Swedish, Finnish, German, Czech, Russian, American and Canadian referees, while the same applies to Linesmen, except with a man from Belarus and Slovakia instead of Sweden and the Czech Republic.
 
aphyro said:
In slowmotion this looks like a dirty hit try to put a gif with the real speed and see how much time he has to react...

Who am i kidding talking with canadians about Canada hockey its like talking with a wall:shakehead
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I get it now. You're just being contrarian and obtuse as some strange form of european satire.

:handclap: You really had me there, you!
Bravo.
 
aphyro said:
In slowmotion this looks like a dirty hit try to put a gif with the real speed and see how much time he has to react...

Who am i kidding talking with canadians about Canada hockey its like talking with a wall:shakehead
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React to what? Staal didn't make any sudden moves. [mod]
 
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Jackson14 said:
Have any examples? Why did Swedish hockey officials make the decision to choose Canadian refs? Answer that. Your own damn country chose the refs!
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So Sweden picked the refs? i have hard to belive they hand picked them tbh...

This getting better and better:laugh:

Well cheaters will allways be cheaters... [Highlight]ENJOY[/Highlight] your gold medal...
 
aphyro said:
So Sweden picked the refs? i have hard to belive they hand picked them tbh...

This getting better and better:laugh:

Well cheaters will allways be cheaters... [Highlight]ENJOY[/Highlight] your gold medal...
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This story just gets bigger. SOMEHOW some greasy Canadians infiltrated team sweden and brainwashed them.
 
aphyro said:
So Sweden picked the refs? i have hard to belive they hand picked them tbh...
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Sweden, along with Finland, the US, and Canada, agreed with the IIHF's recommendation for the referees for the GMG. They did not choose them. Neither did any of the other countries, but they all agreed to them.
 
aphyro said:
So Sweden picked the refs? i have hard to belive they hand picked them tbh...

This getting better and better:laugh:

Well cheaters will allways be cheaters... [Highlight]ENJOY[/Highlight] your gold medal...
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I understand now that I'm being baited rather hardcore in responding, but proof has shown up in this thread that Swedish representatives in the IIHF agreed to the referee.

Again the link in case you somehow couldn't see it:
http://sochi2014.iihf.com/men/news/medalofficials/
 
LiveeviL said:
I can agree that the procedure is wrong. The "best" isn't the "best" in all circumstances.

I do not think this is up to debate. If you got a game with two nations involved the the refs should be from other nations.
[Insert Crazy pills gif]
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I guess you need to be asked too. Why did your own association choose Canadian refs? If this doesn't stop the Swedish whiners I dont know what will.
 
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aphyro said:
So Sweden picked the refs? i have hard to belive they hand picked them tbh...

This getting better and better:laugh:

Well cheaters will allways be cheaters... [Highlight]ENJOY[/Highlight] your gold medal...
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You really do sound like someone who's [mod] very upset about having no confidence in their team.
Sweden agreed with Finland, Canada, and the US on who would be reffing this game. Sweden is fine with it.

You're just ignoring or refusing to accept the fact that Sweden agreed to having a Canadian official. [mod]
 
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YWGinYYZ said:
Sweden, along with Finland, the US, and Canada, agreed with the IIHF's recommendation for the referees for the GMG. They did not choose them. Neither did any of the other countries, but they all agreed to them.
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Then I stand corrected on my previous post, I'll edit it.
 
To put this debate into perspective:

Of the NHL referees, (42), 35 are Canadian. Of the linesman (35), 27 are Canadian.

To get Canadians out the final, you would need to either: not use NHL refs, or select only the couple American NHL refs regardless of quality.

Considering that I believe nearly every one of these players is from the NHL in the final, how does it make sense not to use NHL refs? Are we really going to reduce the pool from 42, down to 7 to satisfy Peter Forsberg?
 
B Boarding said:
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In ANY other professional sport you DON'T have referees from the parties competing against each other. This is to avoid any kind of suspicion of not having an unbiased judgement. It's the basic principle of refereeing in all international sports! IF there would ever be any questionable calls, there won’t be any suspicion of partial judgement based on your nationality if you follow this principle.
It’s the same basic and very logical principle as for courts in all civilized countries, where a judge can’t have ANY ties what so ever to any of the two parts, just to avoid ANY suspicions of being biased.
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In the 2013 World Baseball Classic the USA played three games in thier pool before being eliminated.

Two umpires in thier first game were American and in both thier second and third games they had one American umpire and one umpire who was born in Cuba and now resides in Florida.

It does happen in other sports.
 
feds91 said:
What Hayley Wickenheiser said in 2002:"It was atrocious, an American ref, we didn't get anything called our way. I've never seen anything like it."

"She couldn't have been worse if she was wearing their jersey," Canada's Geraldine Heaney said.

Asked about the officiating, Canada's captain, Cassie Campbell, said, "Atrocious."

Just sayin ;)
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Guess you didn't actually see that game then. It was so bad that immediately after the game, the referee was banned from ever officiating another IIHF game. I remember quite a few American posters talking about how embarrassing it was for them to watch it.

So yeah, you're comparing what was probably the most blatantly biased officiating in Olympic history to a game that hasn't even been played yet.
 
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