Olympic Hockey Refereeing: Part II (mod warning post #190)

[headup]

*** READ WHAT I'M WRITING... he got 5min and and match penalty but Edler got suspende the whol WC and 2games in the olympic... you see the differens?

Which had nothing to do with the ref on the ice.

 

[aphyro]

really? accidentally hurting someone is the same as doing it on purpose??

Edler dident hit Staal on purpose but still it was an dirty hit... or do you really think Edler wanted to hurt Staal on purpose?

 

[Korpse]

So what? The results where the same.

Reckless play is also part of the rulebook you know.

There's only so much you can control. You can't control the actions of your opponent, whether he steps to the side to avoid the hit or takes the hit. I played with a guy who would always try and step out of a hit like that, countless times he was the recipient of a knee on knee collision. I never once thought it was the opponents fault. But that's just my view from my experiences playing hockey.

 

[General Fanager]

Edler dident hit Staal on purpose but still it was an dirty hit... or do you really think Edler wanted to hurt Staal on purpose?

of course he did it on purpose, he saw him there and never even tried to avoid contact.


who is wearing the homer glasses now???

 

[Oni]

What are we going on about here seriously?

Fixing professional sports is about the money, not getting another medal for a fancy medal table that people will remember for another 2 weeks....

These are NHL professional refs making 6 figure salaries. The idea that they, or the NHL (a billion dollar industry) would risk getting caught up in a match fixing scandal when neither themselves or the NHL have anything to gain from a particular outcome.... doesn't make any sense.

The problem isn't having countries represented in judging boards. Eliminating same country judges for competitors is silly; often times, the best judges will come from the countries that are strongest. It's about having transparency.

Figure skating etc. is in danger because they are not providing transparency in judging. However, here these refs were picked in advance based on their performance in previous games and in advance of knowing who was playing in the finals. All four teams (Canada, US, Finland and Sweden) were apparently ok with it.

According to portions this board, apparently the easiest way to fix a game is to find a ref from some obscure country, pay him a couple million to fix the game and no one would think twice because "He's a neutral!".

Besides, if you wanted to make a Canadian ref match fixing conspiracy, you missed the chance. The conspiracy would have been in fixing the matches so that Canada made the finals (lots of money in Canada with viewership). Now that they have made the finals, there is no more gain to be had.

 

[Classicnamesup]

I think the Swedes are nervous about this game so they are churning the excuse mill in anticipation

 

[General Fanager]

I think the Swedes are nervous about this game so they are churning the excuse mill in anticipation

this is exactly what is going on.

 

[aphyro]

of course he did it on purpose, he saw him there and never even tried to avoid contact.


who is wearing the homer glasses now???

You still do...

But W/E this was it national hockey can ****** from now on with this bullsh*t

Just disgusting that Canada can get this benfits with a canadian ref team..

I think the Swedes are nervous about this game so they are churning the excuse mill in anticipation

Yes we are so nervous that we wet ourself i have understand that you in Canada dosent know what fair game is but okay enjoy this gold... with homer ref team.

 

[Classicnamesup]

What are we going on about here seriously?

Fixing professional sports is about the money, not getting another medal for a fancy medal table that people will remember for another 2 weeks....

These are NHL professional refs making 6 figure salaries. The idea that they, or the NHL (a billion dollar industry) would risk getting caught up in a match fixing scandal when neither themselves or the NHL have anything to gain from a particular outcome.... doesn't make any sense.

The problem isn't having countries represented in judging boards. Eliminating same country judges for competitors is silly; often times, the best judges will come from the countries that are strongest. It's about having transparency.

Figure skating etc. is in danger because they are not providing transparency in judging. However, here these refs were picked in advance based on their performance in previous games and in advance of knowing who was playing in the finals. All four teams (Canada, US, Finland and Sweden) were apparently ok with it.

According to portions this board, apparently the easiest way to fix a game is to find a ref from some obscure country, pay him a couple million to fix the game and no one would think twice because "He's a neutral!".

Besides, if you wanted to make a Canadian ref match fixing conspiracy, you missed the chance. The conspiracy would have been in fixing the matches so that Canada made the finals (lots of money in Canada with viewership). Now that they have made the finals, there is no more gain to be had.

Is this true? Well there goes the conspiracy

 

[SatanwasaSlovak]

really? accidentally hurting someone is the same as doing it on purpose??

You lack reading-comprehension even though it's your native language. The results were the same as in, the other guy got injured.

There's only so much you can control. You can't control the actions of your opponent, whether he steps to the side to avoid the hit or takes the hit. I played with a guy who would always try and step out of a hit like that, countless times he was the recipient of a knee on knee collision. I never once thought it was the opponents fault. But that's just my view from my experiences playing hockey.

And that's why the rulebook has a rule called reckless play. It's the sport-equivalent to manslaughter.

But this is Off-topic.

 

[viper0220]

Forsberg unhappy with selection of canadian officials for final

"What a ******* joke!" the seven-time All-Star said to Swedish reporters, calling the selection of officials Kelly Sutherland, Brad Meier, Greg Devorski and Derek Amell "comedy at its highest level."


http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=444453






This is coming from a former player who's team threw a game in the 2006 Olympics, so they don't face Canada.

http://nesn.com/2011/12/report-peter-forsberg-says-sweden-threw-game-during-2006-winter-olympics/

 

[B Boarding]

[mod] If you believe an NHL ref would jeopardize his career and reputation over the Olympics, which is not even close to the pinnacle of his career (stanley cup duh) you're completely nuts.

Let me spell it out: this tournament is not even close to important enough to ANY of the Canadians involved to bother cheating. These guys have built their entire careers on their reputation as impartial arbiters. An Olympics in Russia does not matter to them. They do not care if Canada wins or not.

But keep lining up your excuses.

Holy crap, did you understand anything of what I wrote?
The chosen refs will most likely do an excellent job. But that’s beside the point. Their nationality makes them disqualified from a perspective of keeping a sport free of corruption, as a pre emptive action.
This is something IIHF have failed to do now and it makes hockey look like a bush league sport in the eyes of non-Canadian hockey fans and sport fans in general. Also, to have one professional league dictate the terms of the international hockey and even the Olympic games doesn’t do hockey outside of Canada and NHL any favors.

I need to spell this out for you. What is happening here is the exception to all principles for international sports. Look outside your pond!

 

[Classicnamesup]

i have understand that you in Canada dosent know what fair game is but okay enjoy this gold... with homer ref team.

There is confirmation, this Swede has lost any hope in his team and expects Canada to win gold. I certainly hope you are correct my faithless Swedish friend.

The game doesn't even need to be played for the refs to have been biased as well. I figure you will not be up to watch this injustice happen to your nation on live TV?

 

[General Fanager]

You lack reading-comprehension even though it's your native language. The results were the same as in, the other guy got injured.



And that's why the rulebook has a rule called reckless play. It's the sport-equivalent to manslaughter.

But this is Off-topic.

My reading comprehension is just fine. The results of both hits led to 5 minute penalties and game misconducts. The intent of the hits are the difference. Edler did it on purpose and getz didnt. thats why elder was suspended and gets wasent.

 

[RandV]

Holy crap, did you understand anything of what I wrote?
The chosen refs will most likely do an excellent job. But that’s beside the point. Their nationality makes them disqualified from a perspective of keeping a sport free of corruption, as a pre emptive action.
This is something IIHF have failed to do now and it makes hockey look like a bush league sport in the eyes of non-Canadian hockey fans and sport fans in general. Also, to have one professional league dictate the terms of the international hockey and even the Olympic games doesn’t do hockey outside of Canada and NHL any favors.

I need to spell this out for you. What is happening here is the exception to all principles for international sports. Look outside your pond!

Or these are the best referee's in the world regardless of nationality and the team's involved in the tournament want them there.

 

[Oberyn]

I think it's convenient that the Swedes have a go-to excuse if they lose to Canada.

 

[Korpse]

You lack reading-comprehension even though it's your native language. The results were the same as in, the other guy got injured.



And that's why the rulebook has a rule called reckless play. It's the sport-equivalent to manslaughter.

But this is Off-topic.

I would classify edler has reckless but Getzlaf has a hockey play gone wrong at no fault of his own. The IIHF ruler book is incredibly simple and vague and lacks to cover much when determine what is and isn't a penalty.

 

[Bixby Snyder]

I'm sure if the four officials were all Swedes Canadians would have no problem with it.

 

[StittsvilleJames]

I wish the refs were all Swedish, just to stop the ridiculous assertions from both Forsberg and random internet guy that the IIHF is out to get Sweden for some reason.

 

[Greasewheel]

The reason that you have NHL officiators of this game is because they are BY FAR the best available. The chances of a fairly reffed game for both teams is much higher with these guys than Europeans. But I can understand why Peter( being an admitted cheater himself) would think that everybody else is like him. And yes I do think throwing a game is cheating.

During the game itself, one reportedly suspect sequence came when Sweden had an extended five-on-three powerplay with five NHL stars on the ice—Peter Forsberg, Mats Sundin, Daniel Alfredsson, Nicklas Lidström and Fredrik Modin—and failed to put a shot on net.[4] As part of a subsequent interview about the championship over five years later, Forsberg was interpreted to insinuate that Sweden lost their preliminary round game against Slovakia on purpose, so as to draw Switzerland as their quarterfinal opponent, rather than Canada or Russia.

 

[aphyro]

There is confirmation, this Swede has lost any hope in his team and expects Canada to win gold. I certainly hope you are correct my faithless Swedish friend.

The game doesn't even need to be played for the refs to have been biased as well. I figure you will not be up to watch this injustice happen to your nation on live TV?

Na i wont watch this game this bullsh*t was it... picking a ref from Canada when they play is just disgusting but even more disgusting is that you canadians defend this decision and call sweds for nervous losers... when its your team who gets benifits here...

And im not your friend

 

[SatanwasaSlovak]

Nah, i think i will go beat my head against a wall several times instead of trying to explain what i think is a serious issue to some canadian hockey-fans.

It's hard to not get worked up when you try to several times to explain that this really is something very unusual and what i and many fellow mates, countrymen have reacted to. But instead you just completely ignore what we are saying, instead saying we are defaists, we believe in some conspiracy and so on.

I say this one last time, in no other team-sport in the world would in a major championship (especially not in the olympics) have allowed a referee-team being all from one of the competing teams. There are other leagues you can take good referees from, they have been good throughout the tournament and they usually do good in the World Championships and other international matches that have a lot of good players in it, so tell me why oh why do we need an all-canadian referee-team when Canada is playing in the final?

It never happen in any other sport because you want to avoid the whole bias-discussion. This puts a certain amount of pressure of the referee-team aswell. It just creates a tricky situation that didn't really need to happen if you just had chosen referees from the nations not involved in playing the game.

And before you say professionalism etc, i have myself been referee at a fairly high-level in soccer in Sweden. I know how horrible it's to officiate your own local-team. I wouldn't dream of officiating Sweden in a World Cup-final. We're still human if you remember?

 

[jomas]

Was it the NHL that decided who was refereeing the games?
Because the only game I can tell (via wikipedia, maybe not best source) that didn't have a Canadian official was the Sweden-Latvia game.
Mostly Canadians/Americans, but there are quite a few Fins, Germans and few others.

Who decided on the refs? I've been getting some mixed results from reading posts saying it was decided by the NHL beforehand.

 

[General Fanager]

Na i wont watch this game this bullsh*t was it... picking a ref from Canada when they play is just disgusting but even more disgusting is that you canadians defend this decision and call sweds for nervous losers... when its your team who gets benifits here...

And im not your friend

just so you know, the refs were chosen long before anyone knew who would play in the finals. The Sweds had no problem with it then but now its a new story??

I hope whoever wins, wins it by 3-4 goals so there can be no doubt....

 

[StittsvilleJames]

Na i wont watch this game this bullsh*t was it... picking a ref from Canada when they play is just disgusting but even more disgusting is that you canadians defend this decision and call sweds for nervous losers... when its your team who gets benifits here...

And im not your friend

Why are you convinced Canada, or the IIHF is cheating? I don't get it. Is it because Forsberg said you should be outraged? Nobody else seems to be that upset.