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Olympic Hockey Refereeing: Part II (mod warning post #190)

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aphyro said:
Both was checking to the knee or do you denie it? or is it other rules when a canadian injure players?

Its ben voice raised here in Sweden aswell that we shouldent play against Canada, before JWC in friendely games cuz everytime an important swe players get injured wille play against you:sarcasm:
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Mikus steps to the side to avoid a hit from Getzlaf, resulting in a knee. Staal is looking behind at the puck, edler just skates through him.

Yes a player once got hurt in a pre tournament game, it's hockey those things happen.
 
Lets sum this up shall we?

1. Swedes wanted to have neutral refs because it's how it's done in other professionall sports and it would take away the possibility of any "biased-ref"-controversy.
2. Canadians want canadians because they think they are the best.
3. Swedes disagree and says we could go with a US and FIN/RUS
4. Canadians disagree because they say it won't make a difference, "the Canadian refs are neutral."
5. Swedes disagree and says that the point is that it's highly unprofessional and stupid to enable the possibility of a complete ****storm about biased refs if there's a bad call or something similar in canadas favor.
6. Canadians think it's stupid to not want the best refs
7. Swedes says the american NHL-refs and RUS/FIN has done just as well in this tournament.
8. Canadians disagree
And on it goes... with a lot of stupid OT-posts inbetween.

We're not getting anywhere, just move on and hope there won't be need for any controversy.
 
aphyro said:
Both was checking to the knee or do you denie it? or is it other rules when a canadian injure players?

Its ben voice raised here in Sweden aswell that we shouldent play against Canada, before JWC in friendely games cuz everytime an important swe players get injured wille play against you:sarcasm:
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[mod] It was obviously a dirty hit and a penalty. He got 5 minutes the game. Apparently Slovakia scored on the assessed PP. What more do you want? You're acting like he got away with it or something.
 
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aphyro said:
Are you trolling with me? I really hop you know when they suspended Edler from IIHF it was a former Canadian NHL ref that was in charge right:sarcasm:?
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Getz was clearly going for a hit. you clearly see him throwing his shoulder into it. that means it was not an attempt to knee his opponent.

edler on the other hand....

 
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aphyro said:
But he dident get suspended the whole WC and the olympic game aswell so
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That was the IIHF's decision, not the on ice referee. I'm not sure what this has to do with the topic of officiating. The correct call was made on the ice, was it not? What happened afterwards was decided by a committee.
 
I though the Canada-US game was refereed perfectly although I don't think the Kunitz' penalty would have been called in an NHL game. The slash on Doughty in the Latvia game was one that stood out. That was terrible.

The IIHF refs for the U20 and U18 games are terrible. Those refs need to speak with some or get consultation from NHL refs who get chosen to call the SCF. And learn how to let the players play in elimination games. Not a powerplay fest!
 
Jackson14 said:
[mod] It was obviously a dirty hit and a penalty. He got 5 minutes the game. Apparently Slovakia scored on the assessed PP. What more do you want? You're acting like he got away with it or something.
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*** READ WHAT I'M WRITING... he got 5min and and match penalty but Edler got suspende the whol WC and 2games in the olympic... you see the differens?:facepalm:
 
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aphyro said:
*** READ WHAT I'M WRITING... he got 5min and and match penalty but Edler got suspende the whol WC and 2games in the olympic... you see the differens?:facepalm:
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IIHF committee decision, not the referee. Referee assessed the appropriate on ice penalty, and ejected Getzlaf.
 
aphyro said:
*** READ WHAT I'M WRITING... he got 5min and and match penalty but Edler got suspende the whol WC and 2games in the olympic... you see the differens?:facepalm:
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What's the problem, Edler took out the guys knee. If course you get a major for that and suspended.
 
aphyro said:
*** READ WHAT I'M WRITING... he got 5min and and match penalty but Edler got suspende the whol WC and 2games in the olympic... you see the differens?:facepalm:
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The difference is that Getzlaf went for the hit and caught the knee. Edler went for the knee and caught the knee...
 
aphyro said:
*** READ WHAT I'M WRITING... he got 5min and and match penalty but Edler got suspende the whol WC and 2games in the olympic... you see the differens?:facepalm:
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He got the maximum from the on ice Canadians refs which is what we are talking about here. What happened after that has nothing to do with Canadian refs. Isn't the IIHF mostly Europeans? Because that's who determines the suspension the players get.
 
IceDaddy said:
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Getz was clearly going for a hit. you clearly see him throwing his shoulder into it. that means it was not an attempt to knee his opponent.

edler on the other hand....

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You should stop watching hockey with your homerglasses when a canadian do a dirty hit "he was going for a hit":shakehead
I dont defend Edlers knee hit at all, but its a big joke he gets suspended when a canadian dont get suspende for the same typ of hit...

Seriously... its a big joke that IHFF allows it to be refs from the same countery as the other team on the game...
 
aphyro said:
But he dident get suspended the whole WC and the olympic game aswell so
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Maybe because it was 2012 instead of 2013 and that was Canada's last game where as Sweden still had more games to play.
 
aphyro said:
You should stop watching hockey with your homerglasses when a canadian do a dirty hit "he was going for a hit":shakehead
I dont defend Edlers knee hit at all, but its a big joke he gets suspended when a canadian dont get suspende for the same typ of hit...

Seriously... its a big joke that IHFF allows it to be refs from the same countery as the other team on the game...
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The IIHF is in charge of suspensions. You're basically saying the whole IIHF is pro Canadian when it's made up of mostly European countries. That makes sense!

Truth of the matter is not all knee on knee hits are created equal hence the difference in suspensions.
 
B Boarding said:
Finally a very sensible Canadian poster! Why not have American NHL refs in this game?

I think many Canadian posters really need to wake up and get a clue of what's happening outside the very small world of Canadian- and NHL hockey. Don’t you watch any other international sports?

In ANY other professional sport you DON'T have referees from the parties competing against each other. This is to avoid any kind of suspicion of not having an unbiased judgement. It's the basic principle of refereeing in all international sports! IF there would ever be any questionable calls, there won’t be any suspicion of partial judgement based on your nationality if you follow this principle.
It’s the same basic and very logical principle as for courts in all civilized countries, where a judge can’t have ANY ties what so ever to any of the two parts, just to avoid ANY suspicions of being biased.
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[mod] If you believe an NHL ref would jeopardize his career and reputation over the Olympics, which is not even close to the pinnacle of his career (stanley cup duh) you're completely nuts.

Let me spell it out: this tournament is not even close to important enough to ANY of the Canadians involved to bother cheating. These guys have built their entire careers on their reputation as impartial arbiters. An Olympics in Russia does not matter to them. They do not care if Canada wins or not.

But keep lining up your excuses.
 
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