Olympic Hockey Refereeing: Part II (mod warning post #190)

[MikeK]

What a joke. Talk about sounding like a bunch of babies looking for an excuse. The Swede's and their fans sound ridiculous complaining about the officials of a game that hasn't even taken place.

 

[Ralfduran]

No that is not the case at all from what I understand.
There were Swedish, Finnish, German, Czech, Russian, American and Canadian referees, while the same applies to Linesmen, except with a man from Belarus and Slovakia instead of Sweden and the Czech Republic.

No. It's pre-decided that NHL-refs will do the GMG. Reviews about the GMG only applies to NHL-refs.

Can you send another link? The one someone linked to, didn't work for me for whatever reason.

 

[aphyro]

You really do sound like someone who's [mod] very upset about having no confidence in their team.
Sweden agreed with Finland, Canada, and the US on who would be reffing this game. Sweden is fine with it.

You're just ignoring or refusing to accept the fact that Sweden agreed to having a Canadian official. [mod]

I have hard time to belive Sweden agreed it should be Canadians ref in the final when Canada is playing the final probably they agreed to NHL refs but then it should be americans, not even our own news paper say that... it's haven been anything about that in the Swedish newspaper so W/E

 

[Ralfduran]

What a joke. Talk about sounding like a bunch of babies looking for an excuse. The Swede's and their fans sound ridiculous complaining about the officials of a game that hasn't even taken place.

It has taken place before though. I don't want to see the same structure again.

 

[jomas]

No. It's pre-decided that NHL-refs will do the GMG. Reviews about the GMG only applies to NHL-refs.

Can you send another link? The one someone linked to, didn't work for me for whatever reason.

http://sochi2014.iihf.com/men/news/medalofficials/

The link is acting funny for me as well, just copy and paste that.
It may be that you are right, I seem to have the whole thing a bit confused, but this does seem to say that all were considered under their performance. Even if it is only NHL's that still means they could have opted out for only Americans if they so desired.

 

[aphyro]

What a joke. Talk about sounding like a bunch of babies looking for an excuse. The Swede's and their fans sound ridiculous complaining about the officials of a game that hasn't even taken place.

The Canadian fans sounds even more ridiculous... With this **** if you want this sport to be taken seriously then you guys aswell should be mad on the decsion with a Canadian ref jug a Canada game...

 

[canuckster19]

Who is wearing the hats now?

With that said. Yes. It would be wise to avoid Canada, if you can. They are a great team and they have Canadian referees!

You threw that game and you know it, your entire media was telling them to, lose 3-0 to Slovakia of all teams and suddenly become unbeatable. Most Swedes I know can't deny that without some kind of smirk on their face. If that's what it takes to win fine, I get that, but don't talk a big game if you can't take the heat.

 

[YWGinYYZ]

I have hard time to belive Sweden agreed it should be Canadians ref in the final when Canada is playing the final probably they agreed to NHL refs but then it should be americans, not even our own news paper say that... it's haven been anything about that in the Swedish newspaper so W/E

It's right here: http://sochi2014.iihf.com/men/news/medalofficials/

“Their nationalities aren’t considered as factors nor should they be, we want the best officials working the medal games,†he added. “We are fully confident that with their experience and professionalism these officials will do their job well and preserve the integrity of the game.â€

The decision was confirmed at the IIHF Directorate Meeting on 21 February, with team officials from all four teams present and in complete agreement with the selection.

Sweden is part of "all four teams".

 

[canuckster19]

The Canadian fans sounds even more ridiculous... With this **** if you want this sport to be taken seriously then you guys aswell should be mad on the decsion with a Canadian ref jug a Canada game...

We don't need Sweden to like us to enjoy hockey or to have it be taken seriously. [mod]

 

[jp7]

The Canadian fans sounds even more ridiculous... With this **** if you want this sport to be taken seriously then you guys aswell should be mad on the decsion with a Canadian ref jug a Canada game...

Your own team helps pick the officials, your players say they're okay with it and yet you still whine. Classic.

 

[LiveeviL]

But they decided the refs before they knew who was in the game (and forsberg didn't whine then...)

ME: I can agree that the procedure is wrong. The "best" isn't the "best" in all circumstances.

I do not think this is up to debate. If you got a game with two nations involved the the refs should be from other nations.
[Insert Crazy pills gif]

I guess you need to be asked too. Why did your own association choose Canadian refs? If this doesn't stop the Swedish whiners I dont know what will.

Still beyond the point. If you quote me do dance with the post: isn't it fair to have refs from countries not involved in the game? You could also read plainly that I question the procedure. There are qualified refs around from other countries so there is no excuse to go with this procedure.

Ask yourself a question: why you as a Canadian think it is so great that there is a Canadian ref in a game with Canada playing? Would it not be fair to see a neutral national stance on the reffing?

You threw that game and you know it, your entire media was telling them to, lose 3-0 to Slovakia of all teams and suddenly become unbeatable. Most Swedes I know can't deny that without some kind of smirk on their face. If that's what it takes to win fine, I get that, but don't talk a big game if you can't take the heat.

CDC stay classy. What does "Most Swedes I know" have to do with anything? Most Canadians I know like Don Cherry and are reffing the finals. See, I like mimic bad post.

 

[Starbuds]

Earlier today there was an American and a Russian officiating in Finland/USA game. Can anyone who watched comment on how biased the game's officiating was? Both had reason to favour USA after all.

 

[jp7]

And the hockey is extremely corrupted aswell with canadians... And i asking you again yes they maybe agreed with NHL ref but ther is also American ref in NHL or am i wrong? So why dont put them in this match?

Why don't you ask the board that reviewed the performances of the refs for the tournament, or perhaps the heads of Swedish hockey that agreed completely to it and supported it?

 

[SurMartin]

And the hockey is extremely corrupted aswell with canadians... And i asking you again yes they maybe agreed with NHL ref but ther is also American ref in NHL or am i wrong? So why dont put them in this match?

You are making us swedes look bad. Most of the swedes posting here belive that the refs will be be professional. The problem is if there's a controversial call. What do you think people will talk about when it was a canadian ref?
We just wanted to avoid the possibility of a frenzy, just like it's done in other professional sports. We're not calling canadians corrupt/cheaters whatever it is you've been posting for the last hours.

 

[General Fanager]

Still beyond the point. If you quote me do dance with the post: isn't it fair to have refs from countries not involved in the game? You could also read plainly that I question the procedure. There are qualified refs around from other countries so there is no excuse to go with this procedure.

Ask yourself a question: why you as a Canadian think it is so great that there is a Canadian ref in a game with Canada playing? Would it not be fair to see a neutral national stance on the reffing?





CDC stay classy. What does "Most Swedes I know" have to do with anything? Most Canadians I know like Don Cherry and are reffing the finals. See, I like mimic bad post.

i want the best possible refs available. I dont care what country they are from.

 

[Sam Spade]

As a Canadian I'm uncomfortable with a Canadian referee in any games we participate in. I'm not doubting the integrity of the refs. I just think the optics are bad. There are plenty of competent referees from countries other than Canada. Why not use them?

What, an actual poster willing to see how maybe it doesn't look so good?

 

[aphyro]

Earlier today there was an American and a Russian officiating in Finland/USA game. Can anyone who watched comment on how biased the game's officiating was? Both had reason to favour USA after all.

I have hard time to belive Russian would favor USA in anything

[mod] was that a real question?

 

[aphyro]

You are making us swedes look bad. Most of the swedes posting here belive that the refs will be be professional. The problem is if there's a controversial call. What do you think people will talk about when it was a canadian ref?
We just wanted to avoid the possibility of a frenzy, just like it's done in other professional sports. We're not calling canadians corrupt/cheaters whatever it is you've been posting for the last hours.

They trash talking the sweds so why would i be any better then them? tbh i would be just as furious if it was 3swedish ref in this game. But i guess im to cloured from the Football

 

[SurMartin]

They trash talking the sweds so why would i be any better then them? tbh i would be just as furious if it was 3swedish ref in this game. But i guess im to cloured from the Football

Because if they're trash talking us, they are the ones looking bad. You make us look bad as well.

 

[Drij]

Still beyond the point. If you quote me do dance with the post: isn't it fair to have refs from countries not involved in the game? You could also read plainly that I question the procedure. There are qualified refs around from other countries so there is no excuse to go with this procedure.

Name them?

 

[General Fanager]

They trash talking the sweds so why would i be any better then them? tbh i would be just as furious if it was 3swedish ref in this game. But i guess im to cloured from the Football

I did not see any trash talking. I only saw Canadians defend themselves when you called us all corrupt and cheaters and liars.

 

[SurMartin]

Name them?

Konstantin Olenin (RUS), Jyri Rönn (FIN), Brad Meier (USA), Tim Peel (USA) to name some.

I did not see any trash talking. I only saw Canadians defend themselves when you called us all corrupt and cheaters and liars.

Well they were calling swedes crybabies/whiners at first.

It's like kindergarten in here.

 

[aphyro]

Because if they're trash talking us, they are the ones looking bad. You make us look bad as well.

Guess so, but i still stick with my opinion about this with a canadian ref jug a game with Canada in...

 

[jp7]

You are making us swedes look bad. Most of the swedes posting here belive that the refs will be be professional. The problem is if there's a controversial call. What do you think people will talk about when it was a canadian ref?
We just wanted to avoid the possibility of a frenzy, just like it's done in other professional sports. We're not calling canadians corrupt/cheaters whatever it is you've been posting for the last hours.

The optics look bad, I think most Canadians would agree with that, look at the ****storm it's already caused before the puck has dropped. In fact, I bet a lot of us would prefer them to be from neither country simply so everyone would shut the hell up about it.

The refs were chosen by a comittee and agreed upon by all teams, and the best referees happened to be Canadian. What I think most Canadians are arguing, or at least I am, is that it won't matter come game time because of integrity and the fact that they would be shamed entirely and lose their dream careers if they were to to favor the Canadians. We do not support garbage like that, and no, he wouldn't become a "national hero" like that swede troll said. I honestly think Sweden will benefit if anything, they will be well aware that the world is watching every call

 

[feds91]

Guess you didn't actually see that game then. It was so bad that immediately after the game, the referee was banned from ever officiating another IIHF game. I remember quite a few American posters talking about how embarrassing it was for them to watch it.

So yeah, you're comparing what was probably the most blatantly biased officiating in Olympic history to a game that hasn't even been played yet.

I watched the game, that is why I brought it up as an example of a biased ref favoring 1 team over another. In 1972, the officials helped the USSR win Gold in basketball in the Olympics. Even in Sochi Canadian and US figure skaters are accusing officials of cheating and favoring other countries. I understand why Sweden would be wary of Canadian officials in tomorrow's Gold Medal game. But in all honesty I'm expecting a fair and consistently called hockey game tomorrow, because I think NHL refs are the best in the business. I was just trying to point out it is possible for unfair officiating even in the Olympics cuz it has happened before. I'm not worried about tomorrow's game, but I do understand Forsberg's POV.