ok what's wrong with QUICK!?

[Model62]

Wait wait wait...People are actually expecting Quick to keep producing his playoff numbers in the regular season? Are you kidding?

I'd be happy with his regular season numbers... of year before last.

 

[MSRinkRat]

Out of the 3 Quick let in against San Jose, how many of them were caused by the defense? Ok the First goal I will give to the Defense alone even tho Quick still normally makes that save instead of falling on his butt. That second goal was pathetic on Quick's part. Thrid one, he still should have made. If he made those saves, Kings win. Quick's style is all wrong for the defense in front of him, it's geared more for Bernier. Bernier came in, and gave up a 2 on 0 break. THAT was Doughty's fault 100%. He stoned I think it was Clowe point blank with a right pad. Solid play for Bernier, he doesn't deserve the loss. Instead give it to Quick for his poor showing.

So i guess NOTHING is wrong with Quick, it's everyone Else's fault. How tired is that excuse?? Can someone please get off the whole Connsmytheitus you have and see there's larger issues with the team here? The Defense has changed!!! The guys are no longer able to block shots, or deflect pucks from the slot. Someone said on a post somewhere that the defense is playing poorly in front of Quick that its making Quick second guess plays. I think its the opposite here. Quicks bad play behind them is making the Defense less confident when playing in front of him.

Whatever Quicks problem is obviously isn't something seen, therefor you cannot change it at the moment. I know they are contract deep with him and shallow with Bernier, but they have to see a spade as a spade and ride Bernier's back, and see what he can do for the team. Give the kid a chance!

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Out of the 3 Quick let in against San Jose, how many of them were caused by the defense? Ok the First goal I will give to the Defense alone even tho Quick still normally makes that save instead of falling on his butt. That second goal was pathetic on Quick's part. Thrid one, he still should have made. If he made those saves, Kings win. Quick's style is all wrong for the defense in front of him, it's geared more for Bernier. Bernier came in, and gave up a 2 on 0 break. THAT was Doughty's fault 100%. He stoned I think it was Clowe point blank with a right pad. Solid play for Bernier, he doesn't deserve the loss. Instead give it to Quick for his poor showing.

So i guess NOTHING is wrong with Quick, it's everyone Else's fault. How tired is that excuse?? Can someone please get off the whole Connsmytheitus you have and see there's larger issues with the team here? The Defense has changed!!! The guys are no longer able to block shots, or deflect pucks from the slot. Someone said on a post somewhere that the defense is playing poorly in front of Quick that its making Quick second guess plays. I think its the opposite here. Quicks bad play behind them is making the Defense less confident when playing in front of him.

Whatever Quicks problem is obviously isn't something seen, therefor you cannot change it at the moment. I know they are contract deep with him and shallow with Bernier, but they have to see a spade as a spade and ride Bernier's back, and see what he can do for the team. Give the kid a chance!

As far as the shot blocking, I tend to agree--where can we find those stats? Sooooo many shots get through, and that's fine, but being so soft in the slot is hurting.

In regards to the defense and Quick losing confidence, I think that's cyclical, a chicken-and-egg thing. One thing is for sure--Quick can't be as aggressive as before with so many people able to move laterally right in front of him and/or so many cross/backdoor passes.

 

[TonySCV]

Quick needs to make one more save a game, true, but the D breakdowns in front of him are costing a goal per game minimum as well. It's a combination. The D needs shoring up and Quick needs to make more saves.

Most games one or the other will be OK - hard to get both night in, night out with 2 of the Top 6 out and Quick still showing rust from his back surgery.

The challenge is, Quick needs the work to get back into form. The team needs wins as well, and Bernier's record this season speaks for itself, so at some point you need to look at getting Bernier in a few more games.

 

[topliner967]

I don't remember if it was Jim Fox or some other analyst who said it, but whoever it was they talked about the importance of practices for goalies (between games). With this schedule and the compressed "training camp", and coming off back surgery, maybe it's not so surprising that Quick has been struggling. He's had games where he's looked good, but not lately. Hopefully he'll improve soon, good thing Bernier has been playing fantastic.

 

[Bandit]

Out of the 3 Quick let in against San Jose, how many of them were caused by the defense? Ok the First goal I will give to the Defense

yup.

That second goal was pathetic on Quick's part.

Yes, but Quick has always given up goals from outside the dot like that, nothing new there.

Thrid one, he still should have made.

Based on what? There were like 5 guys directly in his line of sight to Coture...

The Defense has changed!!! The guys are no longer able to block shots, or deflect pucks from the slot.

If you can't keep guys from walking right in between the hashmarks and firing away, the odds are not in your favor, even with Jesus Christ Superstar in goal. The defense hasn't "changed" stylistically, they're just not able to execute.

 

[Asheru]

I think putting his performance on the defense is overstating the case a bit. Maybe we're trying to protect Quick too much because let's face it, his goaltending saved us last year and got us the Cup.

But you can't deny that Bernier has much better numbers behind the same set of guys.

The team is keeping shots against low. Scoring chances aren't high either. The Kings are tops in puck possession and that means less work for Quick.

Starting goalies have to stop quality scoring chances as well as shots from the outside. Quick isn't doing enough of either right now.

It won't last forever, but right now he doesn't need excuses. He knows he has to be better. It's just the way things are.

 

[Thrice]

21gp
9-8-2
2.69 gaa
.891 sv.%

That save percentage is Cloutier-esque.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Not to make any excuses for Quick, but I think his conditioning isn't at the same level as it was last season, and I think a big factor for that is the back surgery. Let's not forget that he wasn't going to be ready to start the season had we not had a lockout and he wasn't cleared until January.

His post to post movement has been hampered a bit, I'm noticing he's not as nimble in net as he was in previous seasons, and he does look slightly uncomfortable in certain situations, whereas last season he appeared more confident, challenging shooters, and was aggressive in fighting through screens.

He's not the only goalie to post superstar numbers last season who look very mediocre this season. Take a glance at the numbers for Mike Smith and Jaroslav Halak and you'll see what I'm talking about. I can understand why Sutter keeps going back to Quick though, he's their horse in net and guys like Quick need a heavy workload to get to the top of their game, but given his recent performance, I would say that Jonathan Bernier is more deserving of some starts until Quick shakes these cobwebs off.

 

[Muzzinga]

The Kings have never blocked shots in high amounts. They were 29th last year i believe in blocked shots. They are clearly told to let the goalie see the shot

 

[santiclaws]

Not to make any excuses for Quick, but I think his conditioning isn't at the same level as it was last season, and I think a big factor for that is the back surgery. Let's not forget that he wasn't going to be ready to start the season had we not had a lockout and he wasn't cleared until January.

His post to post movement has been hampered a bit, I'm noticing he's not as nimble in net as he was in previous seasons, and he does look slightly uncomfortable in certain situations, whereas last season he appeared more confident, challenging shooters, and was aggressive in fighting through screens.

Doesn't seem like a conditioning issue to me, maybe more of a rust issue due to the surgery. Whenever he's in a slump, it is always the same thing - it is not a lack of movement or athleticism, it is too much movement. He is overly aggressive, overplays the puck, shuffles his feet too much and does not play his angles well. This is what is happening now and seems to be a "typical" Quick slump. An inability to practice during the summer, lack of training camp and lack of practice time with the compressed schedule seems to have really impacted his game, and now he seems to have lost some of his confidence as well.

 

[KingsFan7824]

Doesn't seem like a conditioning issue to me, maybe more of a rust issue due to the surgery. Whenever he's in a slump, it is always the same thing - it is not a lack of movement or athleticism, it is too much movement. He is overly aggressive, overplays the puck, shuffles his feet too much and does not play his angles well. This is what is happening now and seems to be a "typical" Quick slump. An inability to practice during the summer, lack of training camp and lack of practice time with the compressed schedule seems to have really impacted his game, and now he seems to have lost some of his confidence as well.

And you can usually see which Quick you're going to get the first time in a game the puck goes near him.

 

[Jason Lewis]

Whenever he's in a slump, it is always the same thing - it is not a lack of movement or athleticism, it is too much movement. He is overly aggressive, overplays the puck, shuffles his feet too much and does not play his angles well.

Spot on really. It's also what makes Quick one of the more formidable goaltenders in the league. People used to say the same thing about Hasek. When he was not on his game he would overplay his angles, get out of position, and generally flop around like a fish out of water.

At the same time that raw athletic ability and reflex cannot be taught, and you just take the good with the bad.

From a scouting standpoint, if a goaltender is that agressive and athletic you definitely roll the dice on it and roll with the punches. Chris Gibson is exactly like that right now. Very very hot and cold style though for sure. Could steal a game for you single handedly, or get chased out half way in. Jimmy Howard is another example of a goalie like that. We've seen both sides of that from him in a single season.

 

[The Tikkanen]

Mitchell and Greene not out there make a big difference. Not saying I haven't liked what the D bring each night but the veteran smarts of those 2 guys cannot be discounted. They always take the proper angles, Greene blocks shots and they don't get taken advantage of mentally. Not being able to train for the season is also a factor. If any fan should know about this it's King fans. There is a big difference between training and re-habbing. So you take those 3 factors and it's kind of silly to expect Quick to be in normal form. Based on injured King players in the past Quick will not be 100% until he gets all of this offseason to train be in top physical condition and form. The solution right now is Bernier needs more starts.

 

[kingsfan]

Not to make any excuses for Quick, but I think his conditioning isn't at the same level as it was last season, and I think a big factor for that is the back surgery. Let's not forget that he wasn't going to be ready to start the season had we not had a lockout and he wasn't cleared until January..... I would say that Jonathan Bernier is more deserving of some starts until Quick shakes these cobwebs off.

I think the fact he wasn't cleared until January had more to do with the Kings wanting to keep an eye on him and ensure he rehabbed better and had access to the Kings training and medical staff than anything. He was supposed to be ready for training camp in September, so unless something was really wrong (which there's no indication of that outside of his play perhaps) than he was likely ready close to then. He wasn't cleared though because that would have meant the Kings couldn't keep an eye on him.

At least that's my theory.

As for Bernier, I totally agree. The guy is playing more cosistently, and putting up better numbers. Give him at least every second start until his play drops off or Quick's improves. In an 82 game season, I'd say ride Quick until he comes back around, but we don't have the luxury of 82 games.

 

[no name]

He's not the only goalie to post superstar numbers last season who look very mediocre this season. Take a glance at the numbers for Mike Smith and Jaroslav Halak and you'll see what I'm talking about..

Both of those guys have missed huge chunks of time with injuries and neither are struggling on the same level as Quick. Just playing the contrarian

 

[kingsholygrail]

Rinne's been pulled from goal three games straight I believe. This is a rough season on a lot of established goalies right now.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

I think I found the problem: he's being repressed by his dad's political career

=

 

[Dooney]

I think the fact he wasn't cleared until January had more to do with the Kings wanting to keep an eye on him and ensure he rehabbed better and had access to the Kings training and medical staff than anything. He was supposed to be ready for training camp in September, so unless something was really wrong (which there's no indication of that outside of his play perhaps) than he was likely ready close to then. He wasn't cleared though because that would have meant the Kings couldn't keep an eye on him.

At least that's my theory.

As for Bernier, I totally agree. The guy is playing more cosistently, and putting up better numbers. Give him at least every second start until his play drops off or Quick's improves. In an 82 game season, I'd say ride Quick until he comes back around, but we don't have the luxury of 82 games.

I'm sorry but that has to be the craziest theory I have ever heard!

 

[Chazz Reinhold]

I'm sorry but that has to be the craziest theory I have ever heard!

Not really. Quick started skating back in October, and he was assigned to Manchester at the beginning of November.

http://mayorsmanor.com/2012/10/how-the-kings-jonathan-quick-is-skating-through-a-lockout-loophole/

http://articles.latimes.com/2012/no...nquick-dustinbrown-nhl-nhlpa-lockout-20121105

He practiced with Manchester for a while. He wasn't "cleared" by the Kings until right before the season. During the lockout, teams had to keep players who were injured before the lockout on the payroll, which also allowed them access to team doctors. Once they became healthy, they were to be considered locked out players and could no longer be seen by a team's medical staff. Don't you think the Kings wanted to be in full control of Quick's recovery? Isn't it incredibly suspicious that he was good enough to skate with the guys in Manchester in early November, but wasn't "cleared" to play until after the lockout ended/right before the season started?

 

[Dooney]

Not really. Quick started skating back in October, and he was assigned to Manchester at the beginning of November.

http://mayorsmanor.com/2012/10/how-the-kings-jonathan-quick-is-skating-through-a-lockout-loophole/

http://articles.latimes.com/2012/no...nquick-dustinbrown-nhl-nhlpa-lockout-20121105

He practiced with Manchester for a while. He wasn't "cleared" by the Kings until right before the season. During the lockout, teams had to keep players who were injured before the lockout on the payroll, which also allowed them access to team doctors. Once they became healthy, they were to be considered locked out players and could no longer be seen by a team's medical staff. Don't you think the Kings wanted to be in full control of Quick's recovery? Isn't it incredibly suspicious that he was good enough to skate with the guys in Manchester in early November, but wasn't "cleared" to play until after the lockout ended/right before the season started?

Chazz, do you know how many games he actually played in Manchester and what his stats down there looked like. I find it very suspicious that they had to put him somewhere as he obviously was not ready for NHL action had the season started on time. I don't really think it was a matter of being "good enough". I think there are things we may never know. Personally, I still don't think he re quite there yet.

 

[vh2k7]

Chazz, do you know how many games he actually played in Manchester and what his stats down there looked like. I find it very suspicious that they had to put him somewhere as he obviously was not ready for NHL action had the season started on time. I don't really think it was a matter of being "good enough". I think there are things we may never know. Personally, I still don't think he re quite there yet.

he didnt play any games. they just wanted him practicing with a team, probably to get some reps in at a pace they could dictate. if he goes overseas and plays for another franchise, they dont have control over his rehab.

 

[Dooney]

he didnt play any games. they just wanted him practicing with a team, probably to get some reps in at a pace they could dictate. if he goes overseas and plays for another franchise, they dont have control over his rehab.

I maintain my stance then. Athlete or not back injuries are tricky. Some players went no where at all. Sure the Kings wanted to put him someplace where they coud keep a pseudo eye on him without going against the rules of the lockout. He would not have gone overseas mark my words. He needed continued rehab and conditioning and that takes time. Sometimes you just don't know how much time it will take. Everyone/situation is different.

 

[HYORI 1963]

I maintain my stance then. Athlete or not back injuries are tricky. Some players went no where at all. Sure the Kings wanted to put him someplace where they coud keep a pseudo eye on him without going against the rules of the lockout. He would not have gone overseas mark my words. He needed continued rehab and conditioning and that takes time. Sometimes you just don't know how much time it will take. Everyone/situation is different.

Right. So, maybe Quick is 100% but just having an off year for various reasons.

 

[Chazz Reinhold]

Chazz, do you know how many games he actually played in Manchester and what his stats down there looked like. I find it very suspicious that they had to put him somewhere as he obviously was not ready for NHL action had the season started on time. I don't really think it was a matter of being "good enough". I think there are things we may never know. Personally, I still don't think he re quite there yet.

He wasn't allowed to play down there. That's a moot point. They clearly wanted him getting as close to game experience as possible, though.

http://www.sbnation.com/nhl/2012/11/6/3608866/jonathan-quick-rehab-ahl-manchester-monarchs