Confirmed with Link: Oilers sign Connor Brown to 1-year incentive laden deal ($775K caphit, potentially $3.25M in bonuses)

[McDNicks17]

I think one key thing that lots of people seem to be missing is the bonuses only carry over to next season if they're out of cap space.

There's a good chance Holland tries to end the season with some cap space so only ~$2M or so carries over.

This deal isn't an automatic $3.25M cap hit on next year's cap.

 

[5 Mins 4 Ftg]

Like I said in the rumors thread.

HF oil KH can’t get creative with the cap we are doomed.
KH gets creative with cap
hF oil Not like that

Also;
HFOil - "Be Ruthless!"
KH moves Yamo to avoid attaching a draft pick with Kostin who wants too much
HFOil - "Not THAT guy!"

 

[Drivesaitl]

Also;
HFOil - "Be Ruthless!"
KH moves Yamo to avoid attaching a draft pick with Kostin who wants too much
HFOil - "Not THAT guy!"

So we're crediting Holland for moving out a garbage contract he just signed a year ago? This is setting a lowbar on expectations here. Its one thing to be wrong on players Holland brings in, and theres been hits and misses. But not sure how the GM of a pro team that got to see Yama a long time is so wrong on his own guy.

Holland is the reason he's in the current cap mess. For years I absolved him but he's had more than enough time to make his bed here and theres a whole lot of contract overpays burning up a lot of cap. without appreciable help this dog won't hunt much in playoffs.

 

[Drivesaitl]

if you haven’t used up your Twitter views for the day, there’s multiple reports from the MSM that other teams were interested in Brown.

From the Hockey News:

"We talked to Connor’s representatives last week. I think he’d like to see what’s out there in free agency," MacLellan said. "Unfortunately, I thought it was a great fit last year and would probably be a good fit going forward. We like the person, we like the style of play he does. But I think we’ll see what happens for him in free agency. This is the first time he’s going to be able to go to free agency. I think he wants to talk to teams and see where he’s at."

MacLellan mentioned to Vogel that while Brown is likely to move on, the team will keep in touch and see if there is interest to return if nothing's out there.

One of Friedman‘s comments:

"I think all things being equal — unless someone comes out with a great offer — I look at the favorites for Connor Brown as being Edmonton or Toronto," Friedman said on his '32 Thoughts' podcast on Friday. "Someone's going to have to beat that."


Thats 2 examples in about 5 minutes of looking, I’ll let you research the rest.

I'm not on twitter so I'd be something like 5th tier there. Most of the feeds don't even load now. Thanks for the digging.

 

[alphahelix]

I think one key thing that lots of people seem to be missing is the bonuses only carry over to next season if they're out of cap space.

There's a good chance Holland tries to end the season with some cap space so only ~$2M or so carries over.

This deal isn't an automatic $3.25M cap hit on next year's cap.

You think we’re going to sail through the TDL with unused cap space? Holland said this is what all-in looks like and we should like it because we’ve been asking for it.

It’s horrible to say but everyone here should be hoping for a Connor Brown injury ASAP. Ideally not a serious one so he can return for playoffs.

 

[McDNicks17]

You think we’re going to sail through the TDL with unused cap space? Holland said this is what all-in looks like and we should like it because we’ve been asking for it.

It’s horrible to say but everyone here should be hoping for a Connor Brown injury ASAP. Ideally not a serious one so he can return for playoffs.

It isn't unused cap space though. It would be used on Brown.

 

[alphahelix]

It isn't unused cap space though. It would be used on Brown.

I get your logic but based on verbal I don’t think Holland sees it that way. He wants another center at least and does not sound like he’ll be silent at TDL. Unless we see a big contract shipped out this year at some point to facilitate both TDL adds and overall cap savings, which is hard to imagine at this stage.

 

[bellagiobob]

You think we’re going to sail through the TDL with unused cap space? Holland said this is what all-in looks like and we should like it because we’ve been asking for it.

It’s horrible to say but everyone here should be hoping for a Connor Brown injury ASAP. Ideally not a serious one so he can return for playoffs.

I don't think wishing for an injury for a player who hasn't played in a year, and then hoping the player is injured until the playoffs, but then will perform at playoff level after not having played hockey for basically two years is a recipe for success.

 

[trick91]

Could see a battle between Brown and Lavoie for the top RW spot with Mcdavid or Draisaitl.

 

[Soundwave]

Can't help but think this is a f*** you to the Oilers/Staois from Holland as in "it's not my problem next year" type of way, think he felt like the Oilers would extend him and let him put in a succession plan where his son, Brad Holland, took over as GM and not Staois.

IMO a GM who knows he has the job next year would not do this even if Brown is a half decent player, this is clearly from a guy who knows he's being pushed out the door.

 

[JustNapalmIt]

I guess according to some/one Oilers would have been better off signing 10 goal scorer Kerfoot to a 2 year 7 mil contract or a guy like Jost who averages 5 goals to a 2 mil contract.
Good thinking

Could see a battle between Brown and Lavoie for the top RW spot with Mcdavid or Draisaitl.

God forbid if Lavoie is anywhere near top 6.
We are toast

Can't help but think this is a f*** you to the Oilers/Staois from Holland as in "it's not my problem next year" type of way, think he felt like the Oilers would extend him and let him put in a succession plan where his son, Brad Holland, took over as GM and not Staois.

IMO a GM who knows he has the job next year would not do this even if Brown is a half decent player, this is clearly from a guy who knows he's being pushed out the door.

Yeah, this thinking really isnt good. Really bad actually

 

[Heavy Dee]

Can't help but think this is a f*** you to the Oilers/Staois from Holland as in "it's not my problem next year" type of way, think he felt like the Oilers would extend him and let him put in a succession plan where his son, Brad Holland, took over as GM and not Staois.

IMO a GM who knows he has the job next year would not do this even if Brown is a half decent player, this is clearly from a guy who knows he's being pushed out the door.

Odd take. Who said OEG doesn't want him back?

 

[Soundwave]

Odd take. Who said OEG doesn't want him back?

The Oilers wanting to move on to Staois is no secret, Holland was even asked about point blank in a presser a few weeks ago (about reports that the Oilers want Staois as their next GM).

 

[belair]

Just stat surfing but still worried about this one. Injured player missing all of last season, turning 30 soon, its been years since he put up much. Last two seasons just 10 goals. 3 seasons ago was huge but how much of that player will we even see here?

People are saying its worth the risk and such but I'm not seeing it. Do we get the player he was in 2021 or the one he's been since?

I don't see the excitement of slotting this guy in topsix. better options were available last season. To me Tolvanen looks to have better top end and still young. Seattle got that player for nothing.

He's not here for the counting stats. He's here to play a bigger role and be the swiss army knife that guys like Hyman and Nuge have been. He's the upgrade on Yamamoto.

Guys like Tolvanen and Kostin might pot a few goals here or there, but they don't play rounded games. Their games come with risk and as a result, coaches don't play them much.

 

[Oilhawks]

I don't think wishing for an injury for a player who hasn't played in a year, and then hoping the player is injured until the playoffs, but then will perform at playoff level after not having played hockey for basically two years is a recipe for success.

To be fair, this is a poster that ninja edited a post glamourizing putting cats in ovens, so there is that

 

[Oil Gauge]

It isn't unused cap space though. It would be used on Brown.

100% understand what you are saying.

But if it comes to the TDL and the Oilers are a favorite to win the cup he's not going to leave that cap space open for Brown's bonus overages. He's going to do what ever he can to give them the best chance to win this year.

 

[belair]

The question is what are people imagining the near 30yr old Connor Brown coming off longterm serious knee injury going to be. A player that was already dropping off before the injury.

Kostin is the better player now with much more in intangibles that the Oilers need. Not sure how that points even argued.

WE lose a tough as nails young gamer that can score and we get old Conner Brown. yeah I'm not dancing over this.

Kostin was worse than a healthy Yamamoto. You are horrendously overvaluing Kostin. Embarrassingly so.

The Blues and Oilers both didn't trust the player enough to elevate his responsibilities and tap into that offensive potential. I wonder if it's because he was prone to taking the odd idiotic penalty. Or because his game is incredibly basic and he was a notoriously hot and cold shooter.

The Red Wings had the space to take a swing at a player that fights and pots a few here or there. We don't have the cap space to add anyone over $1m. That's as cut and dry as the logic gets. Kostin wanted way more than he was worth to us.

 

[JustNapalmIt]

The Oilers wanting to move on to Staois is no secret, Holland was even asked about point blank in a presser a few weeks ago (about reports that the Oilers want Staois as their next GM).

You must be an insider.
Any other good info?

 

[Tobias Kahun]

The Oilers wanting to move on to Staois is no secret, Holland was even asked about point blank in a presser a few weeks ago (about reports that the Oilers want Staois as their next GM).

Are you sure that presser wasn’t something that happened in your head?

 

[guymez]

He's not here for the counting stats. He's here to play a bigger role and be the swiss army knife that guys like Hyman and Nuge have been. He's the upgrade on Yamamoto.

Guys like Tolvanen and Kostin might pot a few goals here or there, but they don't play rounded games. Their games come with risk and as a result, coaches don't play them much.

Well put.

I might add that Brown is a major upgrade on Yamamoto.

 

[Drivesaitl]

He's not here for the counting stats. He's here to play a bigger role and be the swiss army knife that guys like Hyman and Nuge have been. He's the upgrade on Yamamoto.

Guys like Tolvanen and Kostin might pot a few goals here or there, but they don't play rounded games. Their games come with risk and as a result, coaches don't play them much.

Trouble is historically almost any time people here are telling me said player is 200ft responsible they don't end up being anything like that. The last time was Foegele, or Bjugstad, etc, players being torched in the playoffs and not really doing much. Seems like almost a meme here when the player isn't so great looking someone will say. "yeah but they have a great personality" I could be drunk writing this though. heh

Well put.

I might add that Brown is a major upgrade on Yamamoto.

On this we of course agree. Well you got your wish. Downtown Brown is here. Hopefully I get my wish and Yamanothing doesn't end up back here.

 

[guymez]

The way I view the deal... is how many pts can Connor Brown score and how good can he be defensively for a $4 million total cap hit if he plays the entire season.

I think if he hits 50+ pts and is a solid 2-way responsible forward... that's worth $4 million.

A $4M cap hit whereby 80% of that cap hit is deferred to next season.
Reports suggest that the cap is going to go up by $4M next season and Warren Foegele comes of the books as well.
I dont see the issue here at all.

Trouble is historically almost any time people here are telling me said player is 200ft responsible they don't end up being anything like that. The last time was Foegele, or Bjugstad, etc, players being torched in the playoffs and not really doing much. Seems like almost a meme here when the player isn't so great looking someone will say. "yeah but they have a great personality" I could be drunk writing this though. heh


On this we of course agree. Well you got your wish. Downtown Brown is here. Hopefully I get my wish and Yamanothing doesn't end up back here.

Yamanothing...lol
I am hearing that the Flames are looking at him.

 

[Drivesaitl]

Kostin was worse than a healthy Yamamoto. You are horrendously overvaluing Kostin. Embarrassingly so.

The Blues and Oilers both didn't trust the player enough to elevate his responsibilities and tap into that offensive potential. I wonder if it's because he was prone to taking the odd idiotic penalty. Or because his game is incredibly basic and he was a notoriously hot and cold shooter.

The Red Wings had the space to take a swing at a player that fights and pots a few here or there. We don't have the cap space to add anyone over $1m. That's as cut and dry as the logic gets. Kostin wanted way more than he was worth to us.

Sure won't agree on any of this.

Kostin scored 14EV goals this season in 69GP. In limited minutes. While having hardly any GA. He's a good player, and he showed that here and I'll Yzerman's opinion over yours if thats alright.

Plus its revisionist after Kostin isn't here. If you had posted the bolded in the playoffs people would still be laughing. but thats how views change around here. Everybody was loving Kostin and everything he was doing here. But now the grapes are sour. I just don't run that way. If I love a player I don't stop on a dime. Loved kostin here.

A $4M cap hit whereby 80% of that cap hit is deferred to next season.
Reports suggest that the cap is going to go up by $4M next season and Warren Foegele comes of the books as well.
I dont see the issue here at all.


Yamanothing...lol
I am hearing that the Flames are looking at him.

That would be hilarious. Do they still have Mangydog?

 

[guymez]

That would be hilarious. Do they still have Mangydog?

Heh...ya I think so.

Quite a collection down there.

 

[Drivesaitl]

Heh...ya I think so.

Quite a collection down there.

Motley Crud. Somehow its the band I associate with the Calgary Flames. Not in a good way.

Happy Canada Day!. Ain't been much, kinda sucks its the worst weather day of the whole year. Oh well, always next year.