Confirmed with Link: Oilers sign Connor Brown to 1-year incentive laden deal ($775K caphit, potentially $3.25M in bonuses)

[Heavy Dee]

Kostin>Brown at present. Every stat backing that up.

I don't agree we've improved our forward depth. Again we lost a hard to play against tough gamer that can score goals and has tons of upside for an aging player that is coming off injury that scored less goals than Kostin in last respective complete season played. Not sure how its open shut Brown is improves our club over Kostin. I'm a huge Kostin fan obviously.

Please enlighten us with any relevant stats to support this. And if you want to bs us by last seasons boxcars when Brown was out due to injury, most of us here aren't that stupid.

 

[belair]

Trouble is historically almost any time people here are telling me said player is 200ft responsible they don't end up being anything like that. The last time was Foegele, or Bjugstad, etc, players being torched in the playoffs and not really doing much. Seems like almost a meme here when the player isn't so great looking someone will say. "yeah but they have a great personality" I could be drunk writing this though. heh

Who said Foegele was a rounded player? That wasn't even his game in junior. Big, fast, hard-nosed, clumsy with a good shot. Bjugstad? He was fine. Not worth $2m though.

Fact of the matter is that the Oilers haven't exactly targeted these types of players in the past. In recent years we haven't had the cap. And before that we weren't a team that good players weren't bending over backwards to sign with. Benoit Pouliot was probably the most notable over the past ten or so years.

And I'm not really gushing over his defensive game either. He's not winning any Selkes anytime soon. But he's a good shooter, good passer and reads the plays well. He's also willing to go to work on the boards for pucks. He's a Hyman-lite type of forward.

 

[Drivesaitl]

Please enlighten us with any relevant stats to support this. And if you want to bs us by last seasons boxcars when Brown was out due to injury, most of us here aren't that stupid.

Already mentioned it . Last season each played in Kostin scored 14 goals in regular season and playoffs. Thats across very limited minutes and only 68GP. Thats 4 more than Browns 10G last season he played and Brown has more topsix looks from what I'm seeing. Brown also high EVGA last season played while Kostin had very low GA. Must all be by accident though.

Keeping mind Kostin hits, fights, is very hard to play against and punishes people open ice or on the boards. The kind of player that could play for Ronnie Low, the kind of player I love.

 

[harpoon]

Brown was putting up "Yamamoto" numbers when he was playing in Toronto's bottom six. Yamamoto was putting up those numbers playing with the two best players in the league. When Brown was getting top six minutes in Ottawa he produced at a 20 goal, 50 point pace.

‘Pace’ is the word people use to mask the lack of actual accomplishments Brown has never actually had a 50 point season despite being mostly healthy until the last couple of years. His best ever season was the COVID protocol season and I’ve been told over and over on this board that any numbers posted that year ‘don’t count’. Spin the numbers as you like, but his career stats are eerily similar to Yamamoto’s. I guess he might be a decent PKer which would be helpful. He did have 5SHG in the COVID season, and 8 for his career.

Overall I’m pretty meh on this signing. I just hope he can stay healthy.

 

[Drivesaitl]

Who said Foegele was a rounded player? That wasn't even his game in junior. Big, fast, hard-nosed, clumsy with a good shot. Bjugstad? He was fine. Not worth $2m though.

Fact of the matter is that the Oilers haven't exactly targeted these types of players in the past. In recent years we haven't had the cap. And before that we weren't a team that good players weren't bending over backwards to sign with. Benoit Pouliot was probably the most notable over the past ten or so years.

And I'm not really gushing over his defensive game either. He's not winning any Selkes anytime soon. But he's a good shooter, good passer and reads the plays well. He's also willing to go to work on the boards for pucks. He's a Hyman-lite type of forward.

The board was saying that Foegele was one of those solid 200ft players that is well schooled in playing the game the right way. he must've forgot some of those lessons.

Fortunately Janmark I knew was a solid 200ft player and he is. So is Ryan. Least we got some. I wouldn't cry if Foegele was gone.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

There it is, prepare for rage

 

[CROTT]

I really don’t like this, though I’d love to be wrong. As others have touched on yes only the bonuses that the Oilers don’t have room for this season will be carried over, but will still probably be a 3 million ish bonus overage for the 24-25 season. That’s a lot of dead cap that can not be buried or traded and worst of all its based only on GP. And If the cap goes up to say 88.5 million next season a reasonable estimate that’s already over half of that gone. Yes it could go up a little more, but thats what everyone was raving about this year but here we are at 83.5 million. Yes it will jump next year as the players should have payed back the covid debt, but a 5 million is jump is a Safe bet over other numbers that are getting thrown around.

Also I don’t get the hype for a guy that averages around 15 goals a season. Edit for the above 10 games? 10 Fing games?…

 

[Soundwave]

There it is, prepare for rage

This is pure and simple sabotage of Steve Staois (or whoever is the next GM) by Ken Holland. Any one spinning it is full of shit.

This is not even a star player, this is a middle of the pack RW who hasn't played in a year coming off a serious injury.

If Brown plays like 15 games and then gets hurt we get a $3.2 million cap penalty next year for dick all. This is something Chiarelli would do.

 

[Drivesaitl]

10 games clause. lmfao. Thats the hard negotiation. hooboy. Holland drunk again. Is this like the Murray acquisition? Asking for a friend.

Gee if you meet this tough clause where you play 10/82 games you get all the jackpot bonus. f*** off.

 

[Fourier]

Keeping mind Kostin hits, fights, is very hard to play against and punishes people open ice or on the boards. The kind of player that could play for Ronnie Low, the kind of player I love.

Brown plays hard as well, but he is not as physical as Kostin of course. But what he is is far better defensively, a very good pk'er and a guy who has shown that he is capable of playing well with skill. I love Kostin, but these guys are in a totally different tier of player.

That said, I don't like the clause either. But the alternative was to sign a 13th forward. BY teh way, do you have the same concern about the Kings bonus issues? They have almost $5M in performance bonuses and could easily be on the hook next year for $3M in carryovers. Talbot alone gets them $1M in carryover

 

[Drivesaitl]

This is pure and simple sabotage of Steve Staois (or whoever is the next GM) by Ken Holland. Any one spinning it is full of shit.

This is not even a star player, this is a middle of the pack RW who hasn't played in a year coming off a serious injury.

If Brown plays like 15 games and then gets hurt we get a $3.2 million cap penalty next year for dick all. This is something Chiarelli would do.

Pretty much this.

This is a Chia level week from Holland.

 

[Soundwave]

Pretty much this.

This is a Chia level week from Holland.

IMO no way Holland does this if he knows he's the GM next year, he knows the Oilers are moving on from him and his grand plan of getting his son installed as GM is not happening, this is a "well f*** it then, I'm just gonna do this and the next guy can clean up my mess".

No way would a GM who has multiple years on his contract left do this.

 

[Drivesaitl]

Brown plays hard as well, bUt he is not as physical as Kostin of course. But what he is is far better defensively, a very good pk'er and a guy who has shown that he is cpable of playing well with skill. I love Kostin, but these guys are in a totaly different league.

That said, I don't like the clause either. But the alternative was to sign a 13th forward.

Its turning into an even more shitty deal the more leaks out. Thing is Recency matters and last season Connor missed and the season before that he only scored 10goals. He had a lot of EVGA for his usage. He may not be the player people are remembering. Fact is nobody has seen this guy play hockey in around 16mths. Coming off injury where he missed an extensive amount of hockey nobody knows what we got here. Kostin is a known and with upside and intangible. Connor intangible is pk but we don't know he's good at that either now.

IMO no way Holland does this if he knows he's the GM next year, he knows the Oilers are moving on from him and his grand plan of getting his son installed as GM is not happening, this is a "well f*** it then, I'm just gonna do this and the next guy can clean up my mess".

No way would a GM who has multiple years on his contract left do this.

I wonder what Nicholburger is doing again while all this is going on? Is he even still here?

 

[OilerTyler]

‘Pace’ is the word people use to mask the lack of actual accomplishments Brown has never actually had a 50 point season despite being mostly healthy until the last couple of years. His best ever season was the COVID protocol season and I’ve been told over and over on this board that any numbers posted that year ‘don’t count’. Spin the numbers as you like, but his career stats are eerily similar to Yamamoto’s. I guess he might be a decent PKer which would be helpful. He did have 5SHG in the COVID season, and 8 for his career.

Overall I’m pretty meh on this signing. I just hope he can stay healthy.

Even if you want to throw out pace (which does matter when evaluating a player), Brown scoring at a similar pace as Yamamoto isn't very concerning in context. Brown has played the majority of his games in Toronto's bottom six while Yamamoto has played almost all of his games with Draisaitl or McDavid.

 

[Soundwave]

So effectively everyone else's cap will be going up to like 88.5 million next year or something, while the new Oilers GM gets a nice "f*** you" starter gift of an effective cap of only 85.25 million (just a small increase from this year, basically getting another COVID year tacked on for a player that won't even be on the roster).

lol, Staois gets f***ed even before he takes the job assuming he doesn't bolt to Ottawa.

 

[Mav3rick07]

I keep asking myself why we never have cap space but then remember we are paying Darnell Nurse 9.25 million dollars a year.

 

[SupremeTeam16]

So effectively everyone else's cap will be going up to like 88.5 million next year, while the new Oilers GM gets a nice "f*** you" starter gift of an effective cap of only 85.25 million (just a small increase from this year, basically getting another COVID year tacked on for a player that won't even be on the roster).

lol, Staois gets f***ed even before he takes the job assuming he doesn't bolt to Ottawa.

I love how upset you are. Just in general all the time.

 

[Soundwave]

I love how upset you are. Just in general all the time.

At this point it's honestly a feeling of apathy.

This is just horrifically bad management, I can't even believe it. This is straight up Chiarelli type of stuff.

I feel sorry for Staois or whoever is the next GM.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

 

[Fourier]

Its turning into an even more shitty deal the more leaks out. Thing is Recency matters and last season Connor missed and the season before that he only scored 10goals. He had a lot of EVGA for his usage. He may not be the player people are remembering. Fact is nobody has seen this guy play hockey in around 16mths. Coming off injury where he missed an extensive amount of hockey nobody knows what we got here. Kostin is a known and with upside and intangible. Connor intangible is pk but we don't know he's good at that either now.


I wonder what Nicholburger is doing again while all this is going on? Is he even still here?

It is of course possible he won't be what he was. All UFA signings are a risk. But the odds that he is a much better player than Kostin are strongly on the Oilers side. But Kostin was not signing with the Oilers. That is 100% clear so he is effectively irrelevant in this discussion.

 

[Broberg Speed]

‘Pace’ is the word people use to mask the lack of actual accomplishments Brown has never actually had a 50 point season despite being mostly healthy until the last couple of years. His best ever season was the COVID protocol season and I’ve been told over and over on this board that any numbers posted that year ‘don’t count’. Spin the numbers as you like, but his career stats are eerily similar to Yamamoto’s. I guess he might be a decent PKer which would be helpful. He did have 5SHG in the COVID season, and 8 for his career.

Overall I’m pretty meh on this signing. I just hope he can stay healthy.

Hyman's career high before he got to Edmonton was 41 points. Playing with McDavid and Draisaitl bumped those totals a bit.

 

[Fourier]

All of these guys signed at a discount to play where they wanted to, Krejci and Bergeron wanted one more shot with the Bruins. Patches is the closest comparable but he is broken. I'd take Brown's deal over his in a heartbeat.

 

[Senor Catface]

IMO no way Holland does this if he knows he's the GM next year, he knows the Oilers are moving on from him and his grand plan of getting his son installed as GM is not happening, this is a "well f*** it then, I'm just gonna do this and the next guy can clean up my mess".

No way would a GM who has multiple years on his contract left do this.

Stop the conspiracy theory stuff.

 

[Drivesaitl]

Connor Brown of course isn't in anyway even remotely comparable to those players. Which is probably a salient point to make. i.e. you make some concessions for players that actually have moved a dial. Not sure how Holland got bent over giving the same concessions to a Connor Brown.

 

[Soundwave]

Stop the conspiracy theory stuff.

It's not conspiracy that he's not gonna be here next year.

He just did the "well f*** it then, not my problem".

Why should he care about next year.