Confirmed with Link: Oilers sign Connor Brown to 1-year incentive laden deal ($775K caphit, potentially $3.25M in bonuses)

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Anytime I stated +/- I concurrently stated low GA. No end of people here including you are saying Kostin is suspect defensively. But that doesn't show in any of the broader counting numbers.

I've maintained throughout in the discussion that Kostin is a better asset now, and is likely to appreciate. Whereby a much older Connor Brown is likely to depreciate. Especially after a long absence from hockey and injury.

PDO isn't much of a stat either. I produced a link showing the concerns with that stat. In anycase people initiating that Kostin is a poor 200ft player could possibly elaborate on that rather than just their opinion.

In anycase you were the one just a few posts ago saying that you define what reality is. lol speaking of honest discussion.

This is what you stated:

This Kostin/Brown conversation/comparison is primarily being fueled by an emotionally based argument.
The reality is that there is no comparison regarding which player will contribute more.


The bolded is conjecture at best, and poor at that. the phrase "will contribute more" is future tense. Meaning what the respective players do going forward. I actually think its a dead heat in present terms and that in future terms Kostin is likely to become the better player.
Sounds to me like you are rationalizing and justifying that +/- somehow supports your argument.
Try again.
I also never argued that PDO should be used...I simply used it to highlight your spurious claim that +/- has any validity.

Conjecture? That has been the foundation of your argument so far.

The bottom line...Brown is essentially Janmark with more offence and top 6 capability.
Not even the same player category as Kostin AND the Oilers gain $1.25M on the cap this season by signing Brown instead of Kostin.

BTW...I am not at all happy about the team losing Kostin.. I just understand it.
 
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Imagine what all the future GM's will think about these albatross long term contracts the Oilers are signing. Pretty much guaranteed to be buyout worthy contract at some point.

We just spent 40M on a longterm contract for a 29yr old player who has a career peak of 40pts. We're paying heavily just for a third. My lord.

I was keen on the Hyman hire. Because of his work around the net and net positioning. Guy always stood out for me and reminded me of a Smyth type player around net.

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I don’t know why we’re arguing about Kostin and Brown here. Brown is replacing Yamamotos role. Thank god too because he’s everything we want in that role. Similar junkyard dog type of guy but bigger and better at everything. Also happy to have another PK guy as I still feel like that’s kind of a weakness. We’ve upgraded on Yamo with Brown. The hole Kostin leaves is still there.

Personally I want to see internal guys fill out the bottom 6. Lavoie could be the next Kostin. He’s healthy and finding his groove as a pro. He’s big and can shoot the pill and he won’t shy away from physical play. Holloway needs to get it going this year as well. After this whole Yamo and JP cap dump im so pissed about the state of our post Mc David first round picks. Holloway needs to work out same with Broberg. Those two need to show some high end nhl pedigree this year or I will be livid.
 

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From the same thread, posted same day by me:

Nah I'm fine with the player. Should work out on top end of contract where we need it. But this contract will be a futures headache due to its length.

In anycase we're in compete now territory. Pretty good day overall.

Team is hella better than it looked yesterday.



Again the concern expressed was with length of the contract. Hyman is aging and decline inevitably occurs with age. The contract helped our contend now window if thats what we were doing. But there will be cost later. Just to add as well that the many comments in that thread that the price and term were fine because the cap was just going to shoot up and absolve any overpays were wrong. That hasn't come to pass thus Holland pushed to a brick wall of releasing players outright.
 

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I was wondering about this.

So it not only makes sense to keep accrued cap space for the trade deadline but keeping some additional cap space open so 100% of the bonus from Brown's contract isn't held over is a damn good option if the club can manage it.

Oilers should try to stay 500k under 83.5M so the overage is only 2.75M.

Even if the team isn't spending to the upper limit of the cap they still will be using 100% of the cap.

If you already knew good for you, smartypants.
 
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Kostins shooting % was almost 20% this past season.
An increase in TOI is also going to mean more unsheltered minutes.
Kostin had 75% of his zone starts in the neutral zone or the offensive zone with the Oilers.

So he is going to have to be successful without Draisaitl and McDavid eating up all the tough minutes More tough matchups and a drop in sh% is likely to affect his point production quite a bit.

Look...it seems that I am being put in a position to argue that Kostin cant be a good player. That isnt my argument at all and never has been.
My argument is that (all things considered) Brown is a better fit for this team at this time.
Brown simply brings more to the table especially when you consider the cap hit for the next 2 seasons. Brown is strong player on the PK and a strong player defensively 5x5. With proven offence as well.
Those are things that Kostin simply cant provide and for $2M for 2 seasons Kostin wasnt playing here.
Its really that simple IMO.
Thank you for your polite message and explaining your point. I can't say the same about a couple of other messages so I won't be replying to them. Nothing bad in different views and I agree with many of your points. I don't think it's that simple as you said though, as I feel there's also valid reasons to think how I do and thus see some risk in Brown and see more upside in Kostin than you do, but I won't push this more.
 

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I can't wait until you guys see how slow this player is. Not only that, but watching him fumble in the same way Hyman does. Hyman is a way better version of this player. I bet Bourgault is a better player than Connor Brown at the moment and he'll be relegated to the bottom six while we have two anchors in Hyman and Brown fumbling pucks from McDrai all season long once again.
 

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I can't wait until you guys see how slow this player is. Not only that, but watching him fumble in the same way Hyman does. Hyman is a way better version of this player. I bet Bourgault is a better player than Connor Brown at the moment and he'll be relegated to the bottom six while we have two anchors in Hyman and Brown fumbling pucks from McDrai all season long once again.
I've never understood the "I can't wait for him to fail so I can say I told you so" thing. Isn't it flat out better for the team for you to be wrong about the player than for it to turn out to be as you say so you can gloat. I have issues with the size of the bonus but that's different for manufacturing flaws in the player. If you watched him he's not a guy who "fumbles" pucks by the way.

What are the Oilers getting for the money. A player who is known to be able to play in all situations in a position of significant need for this team at a cap hit that fits their rather unusual situation. If he can score 15-20 goals and put up 35-40 points with relatively little pp time while pk'ing and playing a solid 2 way game how is that not worth the investment?
 

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I've never understood the "I can't wait for him to fail so I can say I told you so" thing. Isn't it flat out better for the team for you to be wrong about the player than for it to turn out to be as you say so you can gloat. I have issues with the size of the bonus but that's different for manufacturing flaws in the player. If you watched him he's not a guy who "fumbles" pucks by the way.

What are the Oilers getting for the money. A player who is known to be able to play in all situations in a position of significant need for this team at a cap hit that fits their rather unusual situation. If he can score 15-20 goals and put up 35-40 points with relatively little pp time while pk'ing and playing a solid 2 way game how is that not worth the investment?
Of course I want him to come in and put up 40.

Even if he does, was it worth the 3.25 next year? Are we a 40 point winger away from winning here? I understand there is a balance now, with the team in a horrific spot salary wise, that concessions must be made. Self-inflicted wounds dealt with however possible.

I am of the opinion that he could come in and put 80 points up and he still wouldn't be worth the 3.25 next year without him on the team. This player does not put us over the top. He doesn't even move the needle a considerable amount. He is a guy that has played as a role player type on Ottawa for f*** sake, who have nobody. Like a lot of the other players on this club who got thoroughly exposed when playoff hockey comes around, he fits into the same mould. Playoffs come around and he is going to be too slow with his feet and his hands to make plays effectively. Just like Hyman, just like RNH, just like Yamo, just like Kane. All of these types of players get exposed and massacred out there while guys with real tenacity and fast hands like a Marchessault, Stephenson, Eichel, Barbashev thrive. It's a totally different mindset of player and style we're trying to play that gets exposed continually versus teams who can skate and play fast.

Go re-watch our series vs Vegas. It was a miracle we hung in there as long as we did. They have players who do an amazing job of keeping plays alive with speed and forecheck, with holding onto pucks into the offensive zone and soft slow ups, whipping pucks into traffic. The polar opposite of a perimeter team. They score off the rush like crazy with these little slow ups.

Contrast to Edmonton who unless you're McDavid or Drai, you're putting it deep and hoping a guy like Yamo or RNH get there and win a battle (lol), then cycle ad infinitum. The only player who is remotely successful at this is Hyman and it is at the expensive of him never lifting his head to see any other option.

Take into consideration what WILL be a natural regression of point totals for guys like him, RNH, McDrai, and you're left wondering just what the f*** the purpose of Connor Brown is going to be on this hockey club. We failed to address any area that we got exposed in during the year and in the playoffs especially. We failed to analyze what we struggled with in terms of offensive production in the playoffs.

We removed a 40 point player in Yamamoto to bring in another 40 point (at best) player in Connor Brown, and this is meant to accomplish what? Do you see a scenario in which anything other than another total defensive collapse occurs in most of our games? Do you think Connor Brown helps us outscore these problems and allows us a chance to win a Cup this year? If every single thing goes right for him, if he doubles his career point totals and is a fan favourite in our group, then I will consider the signing to be of value. Anything less and it is only crippling this team going into next season.

I admit I may come off as harsh and overly critical at times on here, but I respect your knowledge of the game Fourier. This is meant to be a discussion of Connor Brown, not a battle by any means. Perhaps my style is abrasive at best...

For me, I can not imagine a scenario in which I come away from this happy we signed Connor Brown. He can double his career best season and it won't be enough. If you ask me for alternatives on what I would have done, I would have recommended that the only real solution is a buyout. If we are sabotaging ourselves into next season, why not fully send it this year and embrace that? Why not give us a REAL shot at a Cup, try and make us a favourite? Buyout Campbell or Nurse or something, move prospects and picks, move out salary, go big game hunting for Tank or someone, get Karlsson or Pesce -- these are moves that help you win a cup. Replacing Yamamoto with Brown does absolutely nothing to increase your chances man.

This was a half-measure by a man who has never had an understanding of the cap, who is on his last legs saying screw it, and who is too cowardly or does not have owner approval to do what's REALLY necessary to give this team a real Cup favourite shot at winning this thing.

Imagine being Staois seeing the state this team is in cap wise, with guys like McDrai into their last couple years here. What the f***? If Staois chooses Ottawa, it was because of this signing.
 

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Of course I want him to come in and put up 40.

Even if he does, was it worth the 3.25 next year? Are we a 40 point winger away from winning here? I understand there is a balance now, with the team in a horrific spot salary wise, that concessions must be made. Self-inflicted wounds dealt with however possible.

I am of the opinion that he could come in and put 80 points up and he still wouldn't be worth the 3.25 next year without him on the team. This player does not put us over the top. He doesn't even move the needle a considerable amount. He is a guy that has played as a role player type on Ottawa for f*** sake, who have nobody. Like a lot of the other players on this club who got thoroughly exposed when playoff hockey comes around, he fits into the same mould. Playoffs come around and he is going to be too slow with his feet and his hands to make plays effectively. Just like Hyman, just like RNH, just like Yamo, just like Kane. All of these types of players get exposed and massacred out there while guys with real tenacity and fast hands like a Marchessault, Stephenson, Eichel, Barbashev thrive. It's a totally different mindset of player and style we're trying to play that gets exposed continually versus teams who can skate and play fast.

Go re-watch our series vs Vegas. It was a miracle we hung in there as long as we did. They have players who do an amazing job of keeping plays alive with speed and forecheck, with holding onto pucks into the offensive zone and soft slow ups, whipping pucks into traffic. The polar opposite of a perimeter team. They score off the rush like crazy with these little slow ups.

Contrast to Edmonton who unless you're McDavid or Drai, you're putting it deep and hoping a guy like Yamo or RNH get there and win a battle (lol), then cycle ad infinitum. The only player who is remotely successful at this is Hyman and it is at the expensive of him never lifting his head to see any other option.

Take into consideration what WILL be a natural regression of point totals for guys like him, RNH, McDrai, and you're left wondering just what the f*** the purpose of Connor Brown is going to be on this hockey club. We failed to address any area that we got exposed in during the year and in the playoffs especially. We failed to analyze what we struggled with in terms of offensive production in the playoffs.

We removed a 40 point player in Yamamoto to bring in another 40 point (at best) player in Connor Brown, and this is meant to accomplish what? Do you see a scenario in which anything other than another total defensive collapse occurs in most of our games? Do you think Connor Brown helps us outscore these problems and allows us a chance to win a Cup this year? If every single thing goes right for him, if he doubles his career point totals and is a fan favourite in our group, then I will consider the signing to be of value. Anything less and it is only crippling this team going into next season.

I admit I may come off as harsh and overly critical at times on here, but I respect your knowledge of the game Fourier. This is meant to be a discussion of Connor Brown, not a battle by any means. Perhaps my style is abrasive at best...

For me, I can not imagine a scenario in which I come away from this happy we signed Connor Brown. He can double his career best season and it won't be enough. If you ask me for alternatives on what I would have done, I would have recommended that the only real solution is a buyout. If we are sabotaging ourselves into next season, why not fully send it this year and embrace that? Why not give us a REAL shot at a Cup, try and make us a favourite? Buyout Campbell or Nurse or something, move prospects and picks, move out salary, go big game hunting for Tank or someone, get Karlsson or Pesce -- these are moves that help you win a cup. Replacing Yamamoto with Brown does absolutely nothing to increase your chances man.

This was a half-measure by a man who has never had an understanding of the cap, who is on his last legs saying screw it, and who is too cowardly or does not have owner approval to do what's REALLY necessary to give this team a real Cup favourite shot at winning this thing.

Imagine being Staois seeing the state this team is in cap wise, with guys like McDrai into their last couple years here. What the f***? If Staois chooses Ottawa, it was because of this signing.
Who is Tank... Tarasenko?

If you read above you will note a larger portion of Connor Brown's 4M AAV can be allocated to this season's cap than than the 775K cap hit as long as the Oil stay under the cap ceiling.
 
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I enjoyed your post, the second one, but I don't think the Oilers can buyout Nurse. He needs a partner like Ekholm or a proper RD like Pesce. To cover up his blunders. If that happens Nurse's athleticism can take over and we'll witness a player closer to 20-21, Canadian Division Nurse.

A team with Ekholm and Pesce will automatically level up the goaltending. The saves become predictable, of the perimeter variety and routine.

Two defenseman like that and you can't go wrong even if the team insists on incorporating Woodcroft's nincompoop system.
 
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I still don’t care for the contract structure that’s really the issue for me. If the 3.25 was spread out over say 20, 40, and 60 game intervals. It would be more palatable, but 10 games is a real small window and trying to trade dead cap that It would be mid season is a waste of valuable assets that could be used to add to the team rather then fix a problem. I know this is the glass half empty approach, but it is an angle to be concerned about.

As it seams every year dead cap is causing problems, next year only Neal’s buyout (1.9 million) would remain out side of Brown‘s bonuses (if earned) baring an excellent season by Broberg or Holloway that sees them hit their respective bonuses. Yes Holland could have 500k or so left that could knock the carry over to next season down, but when in win now mode leaving cap unspent is usually not the preferred strategy.

I see that this addresses the Yamamoto position with more size, as unfortunately Yamamoto post concussion isn’t the player he was or atleast that was the case last season. Hopefully he has a healthy year in Seattle. How much of a difference it makes will not matter till game one of the first round. The regular season is irrelevant, the Oilers can‘t have their top six production dry up again next spring.

As a lot of posters have stated the Oilers current window is the next three years, and possibly handcuffing the team next year seams to me anyway as not the best planning.
 
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Of course I want him to come in and put up 40.

Even if he does, was it worth the 3.25 next year? Are we a 40 point winger away from winning here? I understand there is a balance now, with the team in a horrific spot salary wise, that concessions must be made. Self-inflicted wounds dealt with however possible.

I am of the opinion that he could come in and put 80 points up and he still wouldn't be worth the 3.25 next year without him on the team. This player does not put us over the top. He doesn't even move the needle a considerable amount. He is a guy that has played as a role player type on Ottawa for f*** sake, who have nobody. Like a lot of the other players on this club who got thoroughly exposed when playoff hockey comes around, he fits into the same mould. Playoffs come around and he is going to be too slow with his feet and his hands to make plays effectively. Just like Hyman, just like RNH, just like Yamo, just like Kane. All of these types of players get exposed and massacred out there while guys with real tenacity and fast hands like a Marchessault, Stephenson, Eichel, Barbashev thrive. It's a totally different mindset of player and style we're trying to play that gets exposed continually versus teams who can skate and play fast.

Go re-watch our series vs Vegas. It was a miracle we hung in there as long as we did. They have players who do an amazing job of keeping plays alive with speed and forecheck, with holding onto pucks into the offensive zone and soft slow ups, whipping pucks into traffic. The polar opposite of a perimeter team. They score off the rush like crazy with these little slow ups.

Contrast to Edmonton who unless you're McDavid or Drai, you're putting it deep and hoping a guy like Yamo or RNH get there and win a battle (lol), then cycle ad infinitum. The only player who is remotely successful at this is Hyman and it is at the expensive of him never lifting his head to see any other option.

Take into consideration what WILL be a natural regression of point totals for guys like him, RNH, McDrai, and you're left wondering just what the f*** the purpose of Connor Brown is going to be on this hockey club. We failed to address any area that we got exposed in during the year and in the playoffs especially. We failed to analyze what we struggled with in terms of offensive production in the playoffs.

We removed a 40 point player in Yamamoto to bring in another 40 point (at best) player in Connor Brown, and this is meant to accomplish what? Do you see a scenario in which anything other than another total defensive collapse occurs in most of our games? Do you think Connor Brown helps us outscore these problems and allows us a chance to win a Cup this year? If every single thing goes right for him, if he doubles his career point totals and is a fan favourite in our group, then I will consider the signing to be of value. Anything less and it is only crippling this team going into next season.

I admit I may come off as harsh and overly critical at times on here, but I respect your knowledge of the game Fourier. This is meant to be a discussion of Connor Brown, not a battle by any means. Perhaps my style is abrasive at best...

For me, I can not imagine a scenario in which I come away from this happy we signed Connor Brown. He can double his career best season and it won't be enough. If you ask me for alternatives on what I would have done, I would have recommended that the only real solution is a buyout. If we are sabotaging ourselves into next season, why not fully send it this year and embrace that? Why not give us a REAL shot at a Cup, try and make us a favourite? Buyout Campbell or Nurse or something, move prospects and picks, move out salary, go big game hunting for Tank or someone, get Karlsson or Pesce -- these are moves that help you win a cup. Replacing Yamamoto with Brown does absolutely nothing to increase your chances man.

This was a half-measure by a man who has never had an understanding of the cap, who is on his last legs saying screw it, and who is too cowardly or does not have owner approval to do what's REALLY necessary to give this team a real Cup favourite shot at winning this thing.

Imagine being Staois seeing the state this team is in cap wise, with guys like McDrai into their last couple years here. What the f***? If Staois chooses Ottawa, it was because of this signing.
I appreciate the response. I have already said several times that I wish the carryover was less. I was hoping for a deal at about $2.5-3M but it seems clear that lots of teams were interested in Brown and tehhe cost went up. Getting him at $775k this year was actually better than I expected.

I'd love them to get a Pesce or a Karlsson, though frankly I suspect Pesce would be a rental since my guess is that he will be back in the US east next year. But I will say with 100% certainity that buying out Nurse is not the way to get this done. Nurse is at absolute most $1.5-2M over paid this year and if you had to sign someone as good for 8 years today it would certainly cost you over $8M.

Buying out Campbell is\was an option. But again, once you replace him you have saved all of about $2M on the cap. It's not enough this year to make a difference. It may be next year with the rising cap if they can make a decent move at the deadline to acquire a player either with term or who could be re-signed. I actually think that there is a legitimate chance that Campbell bounces back enough so that his contract is movable. Frankly, the average version of Campbell is as good a goalie as Adin Hill or Korpisalo both of who signed for very similar dollars.

For this year though it's not really Yamamoto for Brown straight up. It's Brown for $775K. Yamamoto or Foegele had to go to simply make the cap work with the existing roster. For this year Brown is in my opinion the best option available for the cap space the team had to work with. It's a risk but if he is healthy he is an upgrade on Yamamoto in pretty much every area of the game.

I think we disagree significantly on the gap between the Oilers and Vegas. Marchesault even said so by stating that they knew that they had to play pretty much flawless to beat the Oilers. Even so had the goaltending been equal that series may well have gone the other way. As to playing on the perimeter, Brown helps with that a lot. He is anything but a perimeter player. A healthy Kane also makes a difference in that regard. Holloway is a gritty guy as well. They did loose Kositin which I lament, but he was not really a factor in teh Vegas series due to usage. You can blame that on Woodcroft but it is what it is. The top 9 this year, the guys that play the most will be as gritty as they were last year and probably more so.

Finally, as I pointed out it is very possible that the carryover next year is less than $3.25M. If Holland is careful, it could be a fair bit less. Personally, if they could sign the right guy to replace him, I'd seriously consider moving Foegele even if they had to give up a pick to do so just to gain more space for the deadline and to cut down on the overage. But even without that barring any additions they should still have $3-5M next year to improve on this roster. More if they move Campbell or one of Ceci/Kulak. The rest of the contenders in the west will be spending their new cap space just to keep what they have. So despite the carryover, a new GM would have money to work with. But the bottom line is that they could not afford to throw this year away hoping for better things in the future. They need to be as competitive as possible right now, especially given the fact that they will be trying to sign Leon in the off season.
 

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Hypothetically we trade Brown after our season is done. Would we not be off the hook for the cap overages for the following year?

Maybe that's our future considerations we get from Detroit lol.
 
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Hypothetically we trade Brown after our season is done. Would we not be off the hook for the cap overages for the following year?

Maybe that's our future considerations we get from Detroit lol.
I would think unless, somehow, it's earn after the trade, I think the Oilers would still be on the hook for whatever they are over.
 

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I've never understood the "I can't wait for him to fail so I can say I told you so" thing. Isn't it flat out better for the team for you to be wrong about the player than for it to turn out to be as you say so you can gloat. I have issues with the size of the bonus but that's different for manufacturing flaws in the player. If you watched him he's not a guy who "fumbles" pucks by the way.

What are the Oilers getting for the money. A player who is known to be able to play in all situations in a position of significant need for this team at a cap hit that fits their rather unusual situation. If he can score 15-20 goals and put up 35-40 points with relatively little pp time while pk'ing and playing a solid 2 way game how is that not worth the investment?
Its a sign of resignation. Can't speak for others but after the playoffs, after player misusage, after terrible line matching, after being outcoached to oblivion, and utter refusal to play most of the youth I have limited hope in where the team is headed. We probably see another season where the team places reasonably but I'd say at this point my hope for better is evaporating.
Thank you for your polite message and explaining your point. I can't say the same about a couple of other messages so I won't be replying to them. Nothing bad in different views and I agree with many of your points. I don't think it's that simple as you said though, as I feel there's also valid reasons to think how I do and thus see some risk in Brown and see more upside in Kostin than you do, but I won't push this more.
Yep. Guymez ribs me a bit, and on this thread I have some of it coming but overall I respect that he's trying to make counterpoint and not making it personal like others attempt. I've been the noise in this thread, thats fair, its because I'm devestated as a fan with where the club seems headed under present coaching and management. I see huge disconnects between the valuation of vet players and reliance, usage of youth and prospect players here. With this offseason I'm again seeing a platoon of lowest sticker price vets drawn in here. This is not about Brown in any isolation, its about a lot of whats been going on since the late season and playoffs.

I'll try to withdraw from the thread. my concerns aren't encapsulated by this one topic. Its just that most of the discussion here has been occurring in this thread.
 
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From the same thread, posted same day by me:

Nah I'm fine with the player. Should work out on top end of contract where we need it. But this contract will be a futures headache due to its length.

In anycase we're in compete now territory. Pretty good day overall.

Team is hella better than it looked yesterday.



Again the concern expressed was with length of the contract. Hyman is aging and decline inevitably occurs with age. The contract helped our contend now window if thats what we were doing. But there will be cost later. Just to add as well that the many comments in that thread that the price and term were fine because the cap was just going to shoot up and absolve any overpays were wrong. That hasn't come to pass thus Holland pushed to a brick wall of releasing players outright.

Uh huh.

It doesn’t change the fact that the very first post, is the usual bad contrarian take: overpaid, embarrassing contract for a 40 point peak player.

It was a terrible take then, it’s still a terrible take now. Spare us the revisionist trash.
 
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Uh huh.

It doesn’t change the fact that the very first post, is the usual bad contrarian take: overpaid, embarrassing contract for a 40 point peak player.

It was a terrible take then, it’s still a terrible take now. Spare us the revisionist trash.

I get you’ve been doing the schtick for decades. You’re not a good actor.
nvm is the high road. heh
 
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Lots to catch up on, so I apologize if this has been discussed, but just trying to consider scenarios.

Specifically when is he actually paid the bonus amount, and how would it be applied should he be traded.

The reason I ask is to picture a scenario where say, Brown plays 11 games or more and is a complete flop. Would the $3.25 be paid immediately? If so, would the hit be spread out over the year so that an acquiring team could absorb the hit.

For example, we're at the 20 game mark, Brown is a complete flop or potentially injured long term again but having played 10 games. Could Edmonton essentially trade $3M of the cap hit (3/4 of the overall) to a new team where that team would only be on the hook for 3/4 of the $775 base in real cash?

Could there be a get out of jail card for a low salary team wanting to acquire $3M cap hit at a cost of $600K. Furthermore since about $800K of the $1M total cap Edmonton would take on is bonus, could that be carried as an overage meaning they bought a 20 game tryout for $200K cap this year and $800K next?
 

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Lots to catch up on, so I apologize if this has been discussed, but just trying to consider scenarios.

Specifically when is he actually paid the bonus amount, and how would it be applied should he be traded.

The reason I ask is to picture a scenario where say, Brown plays 11 games or more and is a complete flop. Would the $3.25 be paid immediately? If so, would the hit be spread out over the year so that an acquiring team could absorb the hit.

For example, we're at the 20 game mark, Brown is a complete flop or potentially injured long term again but having played 10 games. Could Edmonton essentially trade $3M of the cap hit (3/4 of the overall) to a new team where that team would only be on the hook for 3/4 of the $775 base in real cash?

Could there be a get out of jail card for a low salary team wanting to acquire $3M cap hit at a cost of $600K. Furthermore since about $800K of the $1M total cap Edmonton would take on is bonus, could that be carried as an overage meaning they bought a 20 game tryout for $200K cap this year and $800K next?

The CBA is confusing as hell and I don't know, but I would assume the bonus is paid upon reaching it.
 
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Bring Back Bucky

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I can't wait until you guys see how slow this player is. Not only that, but watching him fumble in the same way Hyman does. Hyman is a way better version of this player. I bet Bourgault is a better player than Connor Brown at the moment and he'll be relegated to the bottom six while we have two anchors in Hyman and Brown fumbling pucks from McDrai all season long once again.
Bourgault better right now ? Hogwash I say.
 
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Connor Brown accepting this contract means that Connor Brown is betting on himself this season.

That's a good thing. Means his knee must feel great and he will be very motivated.
 

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