Confirmed with Link: Oilers sign Connor Brown to 1-year incentive laden deal ($775K caphit, potentially $3.25M in bonuses)

[Fourier]

Foegele. All day.

As for Brown I'm saying the stats don't look better. As I've stated in anycase nobody has seen what Brown looks like for the last 16mths. Missing a season, a full season for a player of this age probably isn't a good thing. I don't see how the guy is going to hit the ground running. How many older players comeback well from missing an entire season due to injury?

Of the two I think its reasonable to suggest that Kostin was more the known, and even a safer bet. I understand what Holland did contractually, I don't agree with it.

Your only stats that look similar are EVpts/60 and goals in 1 year. On the goals Brown scored 20 as a rookie and has duplicated that. Kostin rode an incredible hot streak that we have no idea if he could duplicate. And I have just shown you why EVpts/60 is not a valid tool to compare players unless you want to argue that Ilya Mikhayev had similar stats to Draisaitl last year.

For the record, had they traded Foegele without having to pay for him and gave Kostin $2M for 2 years I would not have complained. I am not sure it makes the team better but it does improve the cap situation. I am however sure that until proved otherwise Brown at $775K over Kostin at $2M makes the Oilers better this year.

 

[Little Fury]

Foegele. All day.

As for Brown I'm saying the stats don't look better. As I've stated in anycase nobody has seen what Brown looks like for the last 16mths. Missing a season, a full season for a player of this age probably isn't a good thing. I don't see how the guy is going to hit the ground running. How many older players comeback well from missing an entire season due to injury?

Of the two I think its reasonable to suggest that Kostin was more the known, and even a safer bet. I understand what Holland did contractually, I don't agree with it.

He had a nearly 20% SH% this past season lol

 

[Tad Mikowsky]

Hi Tad.

Hey, at least I’m not about to post 100 times in a thread about a player I don’t know anything about, but will post the contrarian opinion because it’s a gimmick.

Calling Kostin a modern day Eddie Shack is hyperbolic tripe.

Dismissing PDO as unknown waters but then post stats to support your argument in a limited scope, is shit.

He’s at over 90 posts in this thread, most of them bad takes. I think it’s time for people to stop responding.

The majority of Oilers fans are happy with this signing but you’d never know it because of the sheer quantity of posts the few haters are posting.

No kidding. I should stop clicking “show ignored content” because I know what it’s going to be.

 

[McVespa99]

Him getting 10min per night is more on the coach than the player. Woody had his favs and he stuck with them.
As for shot %, Nuge and McDavid had about the same and Drai much higher. Spinning Kostins shooting percentage as a negative is grasping for reasons.
Offense from him was the bonus..he brought a lot more to the team..
2M for him would have been fine. Brown at 4M is going to be fair game for bashing if we bashed Yama and Puljujarvi making 3M per. The dude better score 20+

Being concerned about a non skill player being able to maintain a 20% shooting average is grasping for reasons? And let me get this straight.... You are making comparisons between Kostin and McDavid and Drai? I know you are not saying he is as good as them but are you saying because McD and Drai can do it Kostin will too? Sorry but your post is ridiculous. You are right about one thing though. Anything less that 20+ goals for Brown would be very disappointing.

 

[TopShelfGloveSide]

I don’t want to pile on so I’ll just say this. I think people who haven’t watched much of him will appreciate his game once they see him play some games for the Oilers.

He does a lot of things right.

 

[McDNicks17]

I think the question now is will McDavid play with Kane Brown or the Zach Brown Band?

 

[Whyme]

I don't think this is such a clear case that the view @Drivesaitl has needs to be attacked so harshly. I personally don't know if these were good moves or not, but I think he has some solid points to justify his thoughts. I think this is also about a player getting worse in many fans eyes when he doesn't sign an extension or is traded away. It happens everywhere and is a natural feature in many of us. It of course doesn't mean everyone's thoughts are based on that and I can also see why many feel Brown is a better player. I can't comment on that but I feel Kostin was a kind of a prospect you don't want to give up but instead you want to put him to a bigger role to see IF he can produce in a bigger role. However, I see the logic in freeing Yamamoto's cap with this move.

The main problem I have about Brown is I think there's maybe a 20-30% chance his injury will prevent him from playing enough (but still maybe over 10 games) and another 20-30% or even more that his game will be affected by the injury. That makes this a bit risky move if the window is kept open after this year, but obviously there's also a realistic chance this will work out well. I'd be happier if the cap hit was a million less, but hopefully he'll be worth his salary and even more.

 

[Yuke]

The way I see it from an Oilers perspective. We have plenty of players comfortable playing left winger and no one that is RH that perfers RW.
If Kostin was RH good chance he would still be here.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

The way I see it from an Oilers perspective. We have plenty of players comfortable playing left winger and no one that is RH that perfers RW.
If Kostin was RH good chance he would still be here.

If Kostin got a reasonable contract and was a better player he'd still be here. Paying a 4th winger who doesn't kill penalties $2M is nuts for this team

 

[CupofOil]

I don’t want to pile on so I’ll just say this. I think people who haven’t watched much of him will appreciate his game once they see him play some games for the Oilers.

He does a lot of things right.

It's like Hyman. People were questioning him because of his injury history (although he didn't miss the prior season due to injury), his paltry playoff production with Toronto and looking at his raw numbers and seeing a guy that had a career high of 21 goals and 41 points and didn't think much of him as a top 6 option but, like Brown, he's one of those guys that you just have to watch to appreciate.

Now, I'm not saying that Brown is going to produce like Hyman has but he's a guy that this fanbase will fall in love with quickly. I will admit that the $3.25m bonus that he'll almost certainly receive next season could be problematic but I'd rather have to deal with that and have this player on the team this year than sign some league minimum player that isn't close to as good as Brown.

 

[Tobias Kahun]

I don't think this is such a clear case that the view @Drivesaitl has needs to be attacked so harshly. I personally don't know if these were good moves or not, but I think he has some solid points to justify his thoughts. I think this is also about a player getting worse in many fans eyes when he doesn't sign an extension or is traded away. It happens everywhere and is a natural feature in many of us. It of course doesn't mean everyone's thoughts are based on that and I can also see why many feel Brown is a better player. I can't comment on that but I feel Kostin was a kind of a prospect you don't want to give up but instead you want to put him to a bigger role to see IF he can produce in a bigger role. However, I see the logic in freeing Yamamoto's cap with this move.

The main problem I have about Brown is I think there's maybe a 20-30% chance his injury will prevent him from playing enough (but still maybe over 10 games) and another 20-30% or even more that his game will be affected by the injury. That makes this a bit risky move if the window is kept open after this year, but obviously there's also a realistic chance this will work out well. I'd be happier if the cap hit was a million less, but hopefully he'll be worth his salary and even more.

The problem most people have with his view is that he seemingly made up his mind on Brown despite knowing nothing about the player.

 

[Drivesaitl]

Being concerned about a non skill player being able to maintain a 20% shooting average is grasping for reasons? And let me get this straight.... You are making comparisons between Kostin and McDavid and Drai? I know you are not saying he is as good as them but are you saying because McD and Drai can do it Kostin will too? Sorry but your post is ridiculous. You are right about one thing though. Anything less that 20+ goals for Brown would be very disappointing.

How is Kostin now being labelled a "non skill" player? He was one of the most heralded players in his draft year and several scouting reports saying he had a "very good shot"

Whats to say the player doesn't maintain something like say 14-15% shooting percentage considering he's known for having a great shot and quick release?

 

[Drivesaitl]

It's like Hyman. People were questioning him because of his injury history (although he didn't miss the prior season due to injury), his paltry playoff production with Toronto and looking at his raw numbers and seeing a guy that had a career high of 21 goals and 41 points and didn't think much of him as a top 6 option but, like Brown, he's one of those guys that you just have to watch to appreciate.

Now, I'm not saying that Brown is going to produce like Hyman has but he's a guy that this fanbase will fall in love with quickly. I will admit that the $3.25m bonus that he'll almost certainly receive next season could be problematic but I'd rather have to deal with that and have this player on the team this year than sign some league minimum player that isn't close to as good as Brown.

I was keen on the Hyman hire. Because of his work around the net and net positioning. Guy always stood out for me and reminded me of a Smyth type player around net.

 

[Fourier]

I don't think this is such a clear case that the view @Drivesaitl has needs to be attacked so harshly. I personally don't know if these were good moves or not, but I think he has some solid points to justify his thoughts. I think this is also about a player getting worse in many fans eyes when he doesn't sign an extension or is traded away. It happens everywhere and is a natural feature in many of us. It of course doesn't mean everyone's thoughts are based on that and I can also see why many feel Brown is a better player. I can't comment on that but I feel Kostin was a kind of a prospect you don't want to give up but instead you want to put him to a bigger role to see IF he can produce in a bigger role. However, I see the logic in freeing Yamamoto's cap with this move.

The main problem I have about Brown is I think there's maybe a 20-30% chance his injury will prevent him from playing enough (but still maybe over 10 games) and another 20-30% or even more that his game will be affected by the injury. That makes this a bit risky move if the window is kept open after this year, but obviously there's also a realistic chance this will work out well. I'd be happier if the cap hit was a million less, but hopefully he'll be worth his salary and even more.

I have not seen a single post that suggests that there is no risk in this move. Frankly, there is risk in virtually any UFA signing more than $1.1M unless you are in a situation where a player takes a clear discount to play in his desired location. That is not going to happen all that often in Edmonton.

 

[Whyme]

If Kostin got a reasonable contract and was a better player he'd still be here. Paying a 4th winger who doesn't kill penalties $2M is nuts for this team

i think our whole views are quite different. You seem to think a 4th liner will be a 4th liner, while I like to think players can earn their way higher when they outperform their smaller roles. You can see him as a 4th liner, no problem with that, but they obviously don't see it like that in Detroit. I guess you at least agree he produced well for his low minutes, in the regular season and playoffs? If you agree with that you can maybe understand why some of us felt he could've been tried higher in the lineup. But I don't mean to complain as I understand different views and sides in this move.

I have not seen a single post that suggests that there is no risk in this move. Frankly, there is risk in virtually any UFA signing more than $1.1M unless you are in a situation where a player takes a clear discount to play in his desired location. That is not going to happen all that often in Edmonton.

There has been several posts like that, also as a reply to me, but it's 2am here and I'm in bed and anyway it's time for me to try to stop writing to this thread. I'll now wait and see how this progresses, it can well be good for the Oilers.

 

[Fourier]

I was keen on the Hyman hire. Because of his work around the net and net positioning. Guy always stood out for me and reminded me of a Smyth type player around net.

You could literally replace Hyman's name with Brown's and the attributes you are lauding are the same.

From June 22 on the Leaf's trade/FA thread from @SprDaVE :

Seeing Connor Brown pop up on trade lists... I'd love to see him back. That's a player that would go through a brick wall.

 

[CupofOil]

I was keen on the Hyman hire. Because of his work around the net and net positioning. Guy always stood out for me and reminded me of a Smyth type player around net.

Same here and I said numerous times that his numbers were deceiving because, one, he brought a lot more than just scoring and, two, his career highs were over shortened seasons so pro-rated, he was more of a 30 goal, 60 point player but some people were so hung up on "he's only a 20 point, 40 player so you're not getting a top 6 guy" stuff.

Regardless, Brown is another one of those guys who is very heavy on intangibles and I'd actually say that he's better defensively than Hyman at even strength but not as well rounded offensively. In terms of work ethic, he and Hyman both play like a dog on a bone, the forecheck will be ferocious with both of them and make the Oilers that much tougher to play against.

 

[Fourier]

Same here and I said numerous times that his numbers were deceiving because, one, he brought a lot more than just scoring and, two, his career highs were over shortened seasons so pro-rated, he was more of a 30 goal, 60 point player but some people were so hung up on "he's only a 20 point, 40 player so you're not getting a top 6 guy" stuff.

Regardless, Brown is another one of those guys who is very heavy on intangibles and I'd actually say that he's better defensively than Hyman at even strength but not as well rounded offensively.

Pretty much agree. Though I think that Brown's passing is better than Hyman's.

 

[CupofOil]

Pretty much agree. Though I think that Brown's passing is better than Hyman's.

Agreed, I think he's a better fit with McDavid for that very reason. Hyman is a little too "puck hogish" for McDavid.

 

[SprDaVE]

You could literally replace Hyman's name with Brown's and the attributes you are lauding are the same.

From June 22 on the Leaf's trade/FA thread from @SprDaVE :

Brown has been one of my fav players since his Junior days. He's a hard worker that plays with a lot of emotion and he compliments skilled players very well, he's a very good playmaker. Not sure how his recent injury will affect his already average skating however, that's what held him back the most through his NHL career so far.

I'm sure Brown will do great for your team!

 

[Drivesaitl]

You could literally replace Hyman's name with Brown's and the attributes you are lauding are the same.

From June 22 on the Leaf's trade/FA thread from @SprDaVE :

Zach Hyman outweighs Brown by 30lbs. Hyman is big and hard to move from around the net. Thus how effective Hyman expectedly is on our PP, or in our topsix. I have limited patience for smaller player, always, and will pick size most times.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

i think our whole views are quite different. You seem to think a 4th liner will be a 4th liner, while I like to think players can earn their way higher when they outperform their smaller roles. You can see him as a 4th liner, no problem with that, but they obviously don't see it like that in Detroit. I guess you at least agree he produced well for his low minutes, in the regular season and playoffs? If you agree with that you can maybe understand why some of us felt he could've been tried higher in the lineup. But I don't mean to complain as I understand different views and sides in this move.


There has been several posts like that, also as a reply to me, but it's 2am here and I'm in bed and anyway it's time for me to try to stop writing to this thread. I'll now wait and see how this progresses, it can well be good for the Oilers.

What think is he a was a physical depth player with a good shot who shot the lights out. He tries hard, but he's not a trustable 200ft player and absolutely isn't worth $2M to the Oilers.

It's, honestly, pretty straight forward

 

[OilerTyler]

What think is he a was a physical depth player with a good shot who shot the lights out. He tries hard, but he's not a trustable 200ft player and absolutely isn't worth $2M to the Oilers.

It's, honestly, pretty straight forward

Even if he is worth $2 million we couldn't afford to keep him. That's why I don't get why people have been arguing about Kostin for pages in a thread about Brown. People are talking like it was Kostin or Brown when Kostin was never an option.

 

[Tad Mikowsky]

I don't think this is such a clear case that the view @Drivesaitl has needs to be attacked so harshly. I personally don't know if these were good moves or not, but I think he has some solid points to justify his thoughts. I think this is also about a player getting worse in many fans eyes when he doesn't sign an extension or is traded away. It happens everywhere and is a natural feature in many of us. It of course doesn't mean everyone's thoughts are based on that and I can also see why many feel Brown is a better player. I can't comment on that but I feel Kostin was a kind of a prospect you don't want to give up but instead you want to put him to a bigger role to see IF he can produce in a bigger role. However, I see the logic in freeing Yamamoto's cap with this move.

The main problem I have about Brown is I think there's maybe a 20-30% chance his injury will prevent him from playing enough (but still maybe over 10 games) and another 20-30% or even more that his game will be affected by the injury. That makes this a bit risky move if the window is kept open after this year, but obviously there's also a realistic chance this will work out well. I'd be happier if the cap hit was a million less, but hopefully he'll be worth his salary and even more.

Found replacements alternate account!

You’re defending someone who:
-Openly says he doesn’t watch the player
-Dismisses stats that he doesn’t understand


This thread wouldn’t be 20+ pages for that.

 

[McDoused]

He’s at over 90 posts in this thread, most of them bad takes. I think it’s time for people to stop responding.

The majority of Oilers fans are happy with this signing but you’d never know it because of the sheer quantity of posts the few haters are posting.

The ignore button is your friend. It makes life so much more positive.