Value of: Oilers need a Goalie

[Benstheman]

As a Habs fan, I’d do Chiarot (50% retained) and Allen

for

2022 1st/Bourgault
2023 2nd
Koskinen

less than this, it doesn’t make sense for Habs as we probably get the 1st and the 2nd from separate deals, without having to take a contract back.

but if you ask me, Allen is not the answer to Oilers problems.

 

[bernmeister]

I don't think we are suggesting that the Rangers should give away Georgiev. I think we are suggesting that the price to acquire is all of a sudden too high. Should we have jumped on him being available sooner if the price was lower? Yeah, probably, but that doesn't mean we need to overpay today.

The Oilers goalie situation rests largely on Mike Smith right now unfortunately. Nobody knows if his most recent injury will keep him out long, but I expect Holland won't panic as long as he's got Smith looking to be back in a few games. Now, if he falls apart (literally or metaphorically), then I expect Holland may be a bit more urgent.

A 2nd a la carte,
1) this yr,
2) no retention,
3) no to Kosk the other way,
is not too much.

If you want need other aspects
1. not a 2022 2nd
2 retain
3 need to send Kosk to NY
then you pay for those as well

btw, bern is being extremely reasonable here
some want 2nd + a 2nd rnd prospect

 

[bernmeister]

Sorry when did Georgiev become a quality netminder? He's never had the stats to back that up. 0.910, 0.905, 0.908... that's not a quality netminder. It ranges from "replacement level" to "average at best".

For reference the NHL average has been 0.910, 0.908 and 0.910 over those same seasons.

eye test confirmed by last nite prooves otherwise

Do the math
his track record prior not good
regular work as the starter is good

 

[bernmeister]

Why would Ullmark require overpay. Boston already has 3 goalies.

fair ?
ans. because nobody does anybody any favors, and Bs need a reason to go there

a minimal return won't cut it
Oil are desperate
Bs are not
also, 3 goalies but Rask not 111% back in the picture. .. or did I miss something.

 

[bucks_oil]

eye test confirmed by last nite prooves otherwise

Do the math
his track record prior not good
regular work as the starter is good

The eye test based on last night?!? Seriously?

I guess Scrivens and Tugnutt with their 60+ save shutouts were starters too?

I've done all the math I need... he's never once put together 40-ish games of 0.915... that's what a starter does. He's not been a starter. He's not even been an elite backup (which is what future starters do before they get their chance). You traded us one of those guys a few years ago for a 2nd. At the time he had back to back 0.941 and 0.926 seasons in 51 games. That's what an elite backup looks like.

Georgiev looks NOTHING like that.

 

[bernmeister]

The eye test based on last night?!? Seriously?

I guess Scrivens and Tugnutt with their 60+ save shutouts were starters too?

I've done all the math I need... he's never once put together 40-ish games of 0.915... that's what a starter does. He's not been a starter. He's not even been an elite backup (which is what future starters do before they get their chance). You traded us one of those guys a few years ago for a 2nd. At the time he had back to back 0.941 and 0.926 seasons in 51 games. That's what an elite backup looks like.

Georgiev looks NOTHING like that.

has been the starter for better part of a month up untl a wk-ish ago.

generally played very very well
spin will not help you deny this fact

 

[SwedishFire]

As a Habs fan, I’d do Chiarot (50% retained) and Allen

for

2022 1st/Bourgault
2023 2nd
Koskinen

less than this, it doesn’t make sense for Habs as we probably get the 1st and the 2nd from separate deals, without having to take a contract back.

but if you ask me, Allen is not the answer to Oilers problems.

Exatly. We dont think so too.
OfC you would like that giving from oilerd.

If you wantt Borgault, our 1st choice last year, who looks stupid good, the only way woild be a blockbusterdeal, like Barrie + Borgault for every need oilers have; a good goalie not named Price, a good LD top 4, a scoring middle 6er.

 

[SwedishFire]

Good points.

I think Barrie will be traded at some point for a shutdown defenseman, and that will help to stabalize things. Barrie is elite at what he does well, but Bouchard is as well, and for cheaper, so Barrie will be out sooner than later. Barrie and KK for a 2nd pair LD and a more traditional 3rd pair RD so we can bump Keith to 3LD. I love Keith on the team fwiw, just would prefer him to be our 3LD (and dislike the cap hit obviously).
Nurse -Bouchard
??? - Ceci
Keith - ???
Russell

I think a D for D swap is often very hard to pull. Teams who want Ds, dont want to lose a D, but that would be the most fitting trade for oilers.

Kassian + Barrie + Lagesson for a top 4 LD and a goalie.

But Im afarid Yamamoto is dangled, he and Pulju is what other teams asks for.

 

[elitepete]

I think a D for D swap is often very hard to pull. Teams who want Ds, dont want to lose a D, but that would be the most fitting trade for oilers.

Kassian + Barrie + Lagesson for a top 4 LD and a goalie.

But Im afarid Yamamoto is dangled, he and Pulju is what other teams asks for.

Kassian has negative value due to his contract, and Barrie's term also limits his value.

Which teams would want either Kassian or Barrie, let alone both?

I think Dallas would take Barrie if they trade Klingberg for picks, but they would maybe offer a 2nd round pick and mediocre prospect.

 

[Porter Stoutheart]

Oilers should try Korpisalo or Georgiev if they can get one of them at a reasonable price... young enough that if they do pan out they can last a bit, but also no big commitment if they don't. And if by chance one does step in and look good... still resist the temptation to lock them up at 5x$5M or whatever. Keep them cheap until they show it longer.

 

[SakuKoivu11]

I could see…

To Edmonton: Carey Price, Arturi Lehkonen

To Montreal: Dylan Holloway, Philip Broberg, 2022 first round pick and Mikko Koskanen cap

 

[SwedishFire]

I could see…

To Edmonton: Carey Price, Arturi Lehkonen

To Montreal: Dylan Holloway, Philip Broberg, 2022 first round pick and Mikko Koskanen cap

Hahaha. No!! Wich pills do you take if you see oilers doing mtl a good one, to take that 10 million contract, AND throwing away the future like that.

The offers in this thread is competing with eachother for being a joke.

What do you say about Edmonson + J Anderson for Barrie + Yamamoto? Its in the same ballpark, but better, as Barrie was last years best Pointpicking D man.

Wow, offers are really AWFUL in here.

Well, after all, Barrie was the best Dman last year, Montreal could add a first as well. IM i doing it right?

 

[Bobby9]

Demko

for

Bouchard
Holloway

 

[TFHockey]

I could see…

To Edmonton: Carey Price, Arturi Lehkonen

To Montreal: Dylan Holloway, Philip Broberg, 2022 first round pick and Mikko Koskanen cap

Good grief. You are truly delusional if you think that is a fair trade.

 

[Zerotonine]

No GM is doing the oilers a favor for a goaltending seeing as every gm woth q brain knows how desperate oilers are for one

 

[Canucks LB]

Demko

for

Bouchard
Holloway

Assuming Mcdavid/Drai is never getting traded.
There is literally no package that the oilers could do that I would trade Demko for.

 

[Jerkbait]

Its official, Price heading to Edmonton.......oh wait ....

 

[SwedishFire]

Its official, Price heading to Edmonton.......oh wait ....

What??

No he wont.
Ifhe do that Katz would fire holland on the spot.

10 millions for a keepee no one knows if he even is good anymore

 

[Whoshattenkirkshoes]

Seravalli has really come into his own with things like this. If you look at that list even after it happened, most would think "no way does Savard pull in more than Hall, Palmeiri, etc", yet there he was, the biggest trade deadline target last year.

I'll try to remember to find this again when people start up with the "but Savard got a 1st so x defenseman will get one".

Not gunna lie, Most Tampa fans hated the deal. I was in the very few who loved it. Not sure we win without him

 

[ElPrimeTime]

Guess again.
Oil are desperate
CHI is not
EDM pays demand or rolls with what it has.

We’ll see if anything happens, but you need to stop with these absolutes as a way to drive up Geo’s value. He’s a streaky goalie and is no guarantee to be an upgrade. You’re probably trying to pump his value and sneak in a Geo + 3 3rds for Broberg and 2 2nds or some crap like that.

I personally don’t want anything to do with Geo.

 

[RationalExpectations]

Good grief. You are truly delusional if you think that is a fair trade.

As a Habs fan, I would like other Habs fans to stop with the Price threads... On another note, I think however that the teams make good trade partners for Chiarot and depth scoring against picks.

Regarding a goalie being available : not sure who would fit the bill, because which team wants to deal their starter ?

 

[Gabe Kupari]

We’ll see if anything happens, but you need to stop with these absolutes as a way to drive up Geo’s value. He’s a streaky goalie and is no guarantee to be an upgrade. You’re probably trying to pump his value and sneak in a Geo + 3 3rds for Broberg and 2 2nds or some crap like that.

I personally don’t want anything to do with Geo.

What a fan says on hfboards Is irrelevant. Despite some of you thinking you actually have some say in trades you don't and never will. What he says is irrelevant. What you say is irrelevant but I'll tell you 1 absolute for certain... nobody is trading their number 1 goalie to Edmonton. Who the heck does that? U want a team to trade their number 1 guy? Then you are gonna have to give up something that hurts you to give up. Georgiev is the type of goalie who would be available but fantasy land always wrong hfboards think Oilers gonna get a legit number 1 for garbage and cap dumps. That's not how nhl gms operate. Their job is to make their team better not yours

 

[Habs Halifax]

What??

No he wont.
Ifhe do that Katz would fire holland on the spot.

10 millions for a keepee no one knows if he even is good anymore

Two points...

1) If Price is traded, he will be playing games again before he is traded. I'll be surprised if he is traded before that.

2) If Price is traded, there will be retention so the $10M narrative is flawed. Most if not all know that Habs can't move Price at full AAV.

 

[Habs Halifax]

As a Habs fan, I would like other Habs fans to stop with the Price threads... On another note, I think however that the teams make good trade partners for Chiarot and depth scoring against picks.

Regarding a goalie being available : not sure who would fit the bill, because which team wants to deal their starter ?

If the Habs decide to rebuild, the Price with retention trade talk is only going to pick up. I'll be shocked if Price wants to stay and/or he is willing to throw the towel on his chase for a cup. Habs and Price are taking their time with his recovery after his clean up surgery this past off season. Why rush him back into this mess? What set backs do we know of that is of concern?

 

[TFHockey]

What a fan says on hfboards Is irrelevant. Despite some of you thinking you actually have some say in trades you don't and never will. What he says is irrelevant. What you say is irrelevant but I'll tell you 1 absolute for certain... nobody is trading their number 1 goalie to Edmonton. Who the heck does that? U want a team to trade their number 1 guy? Then you are gonna have to give up something that hurts you to give up. Georgiev is the type of goalie who would be available but fantasy land always wrong hfboards think Oilers gonna get a legit number 1 for garbage and cap dumps. That's not how nhl gms operate. Their job is to make their team better not yours

Funny, if everything everyone says is irrelevant why do you then follow right after with an "absolute certainly" ? By that logic I guess what you think is irrelevant also, right?

When looking at a trade like "their job is to make their better not yours" tends to sound kind of childish. Good trades usually involve both teams getting what they want.

I can't speak to all of the trades proposed by Oiler fans but by and large most people don't think getting a 1A starter will cost garbage and cap dumps. That isn't very realistic or reasonable, is it?

I am guessing here but I think Holland will get a mid tier goalie, not a true #1 because there are so few out there. On the low end are guys like Korpisalo and Khudobin and on the higher end are guys like MAF. We're not talking Gibson even though I'd be thrilled if Edmonton could land him.

Would a mid tier guy cost Broberg? Multiple firsts? Doubtful. At least I can't think of an average goaltender who ever did. That is the best measure I can think of. That, and looking at it from the other team's perspective.