GDT: Oilers @ Leafs Monday March 29 7pm SN

[JayfromNB1219]

Hutch confirmed now

I dont get what work load Campbell has? 6 out of 34 games is nothing. Why are we treating him like a young kid.

He is the easy start with Andersen out and even with him in he should be a quality tandem guy

This is an odd choice unless Campbell said he wasnt confident himself for this start

We will need a 1A/1B goalie next year who can give 40-50 games with other half going to campbell

Campbell may not be 100% healthy yet from his injury...never hurts to give a little extra rest to a goalie just coming back from injury

Especially if he is going to be shouldering a lot of the load for the rest of the season...give hutch a start he did well against the oilers last time

 

[Carltons Cup]

Just when we thought Marincin had 9 lives in this organization...

Hutch: "Hold my beer"

 

[zeke]

Fair enough, I'm not sure I buy it either. At the same time, if you're going to use PTS% to compare teams but ignore it when you just don't buy what it's telling you then I don't really know what to say.

What were that other stats you posted comparing TOR/EDM, was that number of shots for and against? I don't recall seeing anyone ever use that as a valid way of comparing teams, when did you start doing that?

The gap between TOR/EDM in the standings could be a virtual tie two games from now. To me, that says it's hard to say with certainty that one team is better than the other so I stand by what I said - the standings tell us that these two teams are roughly on the same tier.

funny i never saw you use the standings as a perfect representation of team quality prior to the leafs' losing streak.

 

[Confucius]

We are literally throwing the Oilers a bone by playing Hutchinson tonight. If they can’t manage to win, they may as well pack it up for the rest of the season.

Hutch is more then capable of shutting them out AGAIN. lol

 

[egd27]

If Campbell is fine to backup tonight than he's not injured. No need to panic.

He's been a backup his whole career and has had multiple injuries this year. Its smart to not play him every game. More rest increases the chances he's sharp and healthy when it matters. These games don't really matter, we're making the playoffs.

Maybe the plan is to let Hutch give up 2 softies early then have Campbell come off the bench and save the day. Then he can take his place on legends row right away.

 

[Advanced stats]

Nothing wrong with resting Campbell in a meaningless game with intentions of him being 100% for the playoffs.

You gotta see the whole situation instead of the game by game.

 

[NK94]

If hutch plays 3 pts night for 97 and 29

Campbell cant be hurt again? He was fine at end of the game

If hes too tired/we are not confident in him playing well in only his 4th game in a row we are in trouble next year unless we have 2 goalie 40 game split

You mean like the last time Hutchinson faced the Oilers? Oh wait.

 

[hamzarocks]

You mean like the last time Hutchinson faced the Oilers? Oh wait.

That was a fluke, we saw the goals he allowed vs the sens. Hutch is a bad goalie and unless the team is rolling he can single handily lose us this game

 

[NK94]

That was a fluke, we saw the goals he allowed vs the sens. Hutch is a bad goalie and unless the team is rolling he can single handily lose us this game

Yes, shutting out two of the best players in the league is such a fluke. f***, no teams even managed to score on Toronto until Andersen came back ffs.

 

[Gary Nylund]

funny i never saw you use the standings as a perfect representation of team quality prior to the leafs' losing streak.

Probably because I'd say that no measure is perfect, but I can't think of anything better then the standings. Have you ever seen me claim there is any better way of comparing teams?

I stand by what I said - I believe Toronto is better than EDM but looking at it objectively, it's hard to argue that the two teams aren't roughly on the same tier.

I notice you've ignored the question about measuring teams by shots taken/allowed, any reason why?

 

[zeke]

I believe Toronto is better than EDM but looking at it objectively, it's hard to argue that the two teams aren't roughly on the same tier.

it really isn't.

I notice you've ignored the question about measuring teams by shots taken/allowed, any reason why?

I thought you would appreciate me sticking with old skool pre-analytics stats like goals and shots.

my mistake.

 

[Confucius]

That was a fluke, we saw the goals he allowed vs the sens. Hutch is a bad goalie and unless the team is rolling he can single handily lose us this game

SUMMARY
6G 3W 2L 2.39GAA .922SV%
He's no Campbell I'll concede that much but he is above average. Or is the whole season a fluke as well.

 

[hamzarocks]

Yes, shutting out two of the best players in the league is such a fluke. f***, no teams even managed to score on Toronto until Andersen came back ffs.

Hutchinson let in 2 on 3 vs the sens (both horrible goals that he had to save), he was horrible last year. Of course, shutting out those two guys was a fluke what type of post is this?

Do you think Hutchinson is a good goalie? Are you comfortable with him playing a stretch of games in the playoffs? Andersen doesn't control other goalies/skaters performance

Hutchinson has a history of getting lit up. He won't be shutting out McDavid and Draisaitl often. His career numbers, time with the leafs, and general playing style all paint a bad picture and give uncertainty.

The more games Hutchinson plays the closer his sv% will fall to his true level of play (a .895-.905 goalie)

 

[zeke]

Hutchinson let in 2 on 3 vs the sens (both horrible goals that he had to save), he was horrible last year. Of course, shutting out those two guys was a fluke what type of post is this?

Do you think Hutchinson is a good goalie? Are you comfortable with him playing a stretch of games in the playoffs? Andersen doesn't control other goalies/skaters performance

Hutchinson has a history of getting lit up. He won't be shutting out McDavid and Draisaitl often. His career numbers, time with the leafs, and general playing style all paint a bad picture and give uncertainty.

The more games Hutchinson plays the closer his sv% will fall to his true level of play (a .895-.905 goalie)

Hutch as Leaf: .900sv%
Hutch Career: .906sv%

 

[Egghead1999]

Nothing wrong with resting Campbell in a meaningless game with intentions of him being 100% for the playoffs.

You gotta see the whole situation instead of the game by game.

I think so too (plus I believe leafs want to move him to a #1 role slowly. ). What does it mean to Freddy situation? it is so quiet

 

[hamzarocks]

SUMMARY
6G 3W 2L 2,39GAA SV% .922
He's no Campbell I'll concede that much but he is above average. Or is the whole season a fluke as well.

Of course, his whole season is a fluke, 6 game sample size, he is outperforming his career numbers at his age while having been waiver fodder last year.

If we ran him 20-25 starts he'd be closer to his true level of play. He isn't a top 2 option on a good team. We don't want him being that spot for a reason. We don't have proven elite goal-tending duo. Andersen has sucked and Campbell lacks experience, but Hutchinson as a 1A or 1B will have us as a bottom 7ish team

 

[VanW27]

You gotta look at the big picture for goalie starts. If Andersen is out long term Hutch is going to need to play some games. If you map out the schedule tonight is a logical spot for Hutch, Campbell got the last 2 and he gets the next 2 against Winnipeg, they split the back to back with Calgary on the 4th/5th, Campbell gets the 7th (Habs) and 10th (Sens), and then split the Habs/Flames back to back on the 12th/13th.

Basically since we got back to a regular schedule we're playing every other day over the next streatch. With the schedule above Campbell starts 8 and Hutch 3. If Andersen comes back then it likely changes a bit.

 

[Gary Nylund]

it really isn't.

I thought you would appreciate me sticking with old skool pre-analytics stats like goals and shots.

my mistake.

If all you have for answers is sarcastic BS, don't bother answering. Thanks.

 

[Gary Nylund]

I think so too (plus I believe leafs want to move him to a #1 role slowly. ). What does it mean to Freddy situation? it is so quiet

The calm before the storm perhaps?

 

[hamzarocks]

Hutch as Leaf: .900sv%
Hutch Career: .906sv%

That confirms Hutch is a bad goalie. A .906 when playing as little starts as he does most likely vs bad teams, his career numbers should be better as should his leaf numbers which you state are a.900

His sample size with leafs is so small yet he has stunk. Does he have even 25 starts as a leaf in his tenure here? He has been very inconsistent to a downright bad goalie while on the leafs. We dumped him for a reason, he was supposed to be our 4th option with dell ahead but we had to waive dell and Hutchinson in his 6 games has been good, but if he continues to get starts the fall off will come quick

If Andersen is out/dealt then we need to get someone who can play alongside Campbell. Hutchinson isn't the answer in the regular season or playoffs

 

[napoleon in rags]

Nothing wrong with resting Campbell in a meaningless game with intentions of him being 100% for the playoffs.

You gotta see the whole situation instead of the game by game.

Exactly this. Ride Campbell in the playoffs.

 

[The Podium]

The Oilers GDT is a solid mix of self loathing sprinkled with a deep burning hate for Toronto the city, the Leafs and all of us

 

[zeke]

If all you have for answers is sarcastic BS, don't bother answering. Thanks.

it was a genuine answer. I used non-analytics stats because you always complain about them.

 

[hamzarocks]

The Oilers GDT is a solid mix of self loathing sprinkled with a deep burning hate for Toronto the city, the Leafs and all of us

The hate us cuz they ain't us. I don't remember if the oilers (fanbase) hated us this much during the kessel era. We didn't have much of a rivalry (still don't lol but they seem to think we do)

 

[NK94]

Hutchinson let in 2 on 3 vs the sens (both horrible goals that he had to save), he was horrible last year. Of course, shutting out those two guys was a fluke what type of post is this?

Do you think Hutchinson is a good goalie? Are you comfortable with him playing a stretch of games in the playoffs? Andersen doesn't control other goalies/skaters performance

Hutchinson has a history of getting lit up. He won't be shutting out McDavid and Draisaitl often. His career numbers, time with the leafs, and general playing style all paint a bad picture and give uncertainty.

The more games Hutchinson plays the closer his sv% will fall to his true level of play (a .895-.905 goalie)

How is last season in any shape or form even relevant to today? He was the 4th string goalie coming into the season and he's exceeded all expectations thus far.

It's a safer bet to roll the dice with Hutchinson tonight than Campbell, who's coming off an .850 SV% performance and still isn't healthy. If Campbell played tonight and got even more hurt, then what? You'd be complaining that Dubas hasn't acquired another goalie or that Keefe didn't throw Vieni into the fire instead even though he's not NHL ready yet.