Confirmed with Link: Oilers Do Not Match Broberg ($4.58M X2) & Holloway ($2.29M x 2) Offer Sheets | Oilers acquire STL 3rd '28 & Paul Fischer for Futures

[ManofSteel55]

At this point, why match either?
take the picks and run with what you got now

This is what I'm leaning towards as well. They've replaced these two guys (sort of) with lesser picks and made some cap space, now they can let both of these guys go, get a couple of picks from the Blues, and work with a 2nd and 3rd rounder in this draft instead of...well, nothing in this draft.

Yes, but we need the better player today, not in 2 years.

We also needed to make some changes to that blueline after last years playoffs. Ceci may not have been the biggest culprit, but having him here did mean that we can't improve the slot he was in. Now, Ceci is gone, and we might have some assets to actually improve on that 2RD spot. Maybe.

 

[gordonhught]

Quick! Check if Brandon Saad is still on St. Louis' site

 

[TheNumber4]

Yes, but we need the better player today, not in 2 years.

True. But we also needed better than Ceci, and Ceci is what he is. Atleast with Broberg there’s high potential he can be better than Ceci. I think his year in the AHL and what he showed in the playoffs gives us a good bet that that happens sooner than later.

 

[Oilslick941611]

I would agree with that. But also say that in Ceci’s case, he is what he is, he’s not getting any better, and is only serviceable in his role. Broberg should be better than him soon. Kulak will be a loss, no doubt but that’s the price you pay when you get royally screwed by the Blues. Atleast it’s only 3rd pair minutes effected.

That said, now that this trade is complete. Looks like it’s only Ceci gone as I wanted and predicted, and Podkolzin may be that 1M replacement for Holloway. So Kulak is retained.

The offersheet really screwed us though, we needed to have traded Ceci and picks for upgrades, not to retain a player that we already had penciled in, Broberg has no benefit to the oilers at 4.5 and hinders us from upgrading now.

I would take a victory lap in vindication for predicting and wanting Ceci gone, we got worse with that trade.

 

[Reasonable Oil Fan]

This is what I'm leaning towards as well. They've replaced these two guys (sort of) with lesser picks and made some cap space, now they can let both of these guys go, get a couple of picks from the Blues, and work with a 2nd and 3rd rounder in this draft instead of...well, nothing in this draft.


We also needed to make some changes to that blueline after last years playoffs. Ceci may not have been the biggest culprit, but having him here did mean that we can't improve the slot he was in. Now, Ceci is gone, and we might have some assets to actually improve on that 2RD spot. Maybe.

Holloway I was always "either way"
but, once I saw the 4.5M offer for Broberg I knew right away that would be foolish for us to match (even though I like the player). The price just didn't make sense.
Now we have a roster and a bit of cap room, something we didnt have a couple of days ago

 

[ManofSteel55]

Now that we got the room ppl don't want them anymore, HFOilers in a nutshell

It comes down to whether or not that 6.8M in cap space is better spent on Broberg and Holloway, or on other things, including potentially being cap compliant before we put Kane on LTIR. Regardless of whether we have the room or not, that's still a steep cap hit for those two guys given their production so far. I'm at the point where if we match the offer sheets of either (or both), I'm fine with it, but I'm also not going to be too upset if we don't, unless this management team piddles away the cap space we get on turds and bums like previous management groups would have.

 

[TheNumber4]

The offersheet really screwed us though, we needed to have traded Ceci and picks for upgrades, not to retain a player that we already had penciled in, Broberg has no benefit to the oilers at 4.5 and hinders us from upgrading now.

I would take a victory lap in vindication for predicting and wanting Ceci gone, we got worse with that trade.

Yeh the offer sheet did screw us. Ideally we’d have kept both, with Broberg being paid an appropriate number. But can’t control what the assholes at the Blues do. Have to work with the cards dealt.

 

[BlackDogg]

 

[ManofSteel55]

The offersheet really screwed us though, we needed to have traded Ceci and picks for upgrades, not to retain a player that we already had penciled in, Broberg has no benefit to the oilers at 4.5 and hinders us from upgrading now.

I would take a victory lap in vindication for predicting and wanting Ceci gone, we got worse with that trade.

Trading Ceci for picks and upgrades might not have been in the cards. We've been exploring that for 2 years now and no upgrades presented themselves. Let's give this kid we got from San Jose a chance, he's got some good tools and solid history in the AHL, maybe he jumps in and performs better than expected. It would be a nice change to win on picking up an unknown for once.

Staples, you silly goose. Maybe go check any other teams site before you post this publicly.

 

[belair]

They're technically not under contract with the Edmonton Oilers. All of those other players are.

Quick! Check if Brandon Saad is still on St. Louis' site

He'd be awfully Saad if he wasn't.

 

[joestevens29]

Yeh the offer sheet did screw us. Ideally we’d have kept both, with Broberg being paid an appropriate number. But can’t control what the assholes at the Blues do. Have to work with the cards dealt.

I don't blame the Blues at all. This really is on Jackson and to some degree Bowman.

You left yourself in a shit situation and were probably bickering over a few hundred thousand dollars at one point and now look at what it costs you.

It's been brought up on here, social media, radio etc.. about potential offersheets for a month. It was a smart move by STL to try speed up their transition period.

 

[McFlyingV]

It comes down to whether or not that 6.8M in cap space is better spent on Broberg and Holloway, or on other things, including potentially being cap compliant before we put Kane on LTIR. Regardless of whether we have the room or not, that's still a steep cap hit for those two guys given their production so far. I'm at the point where if we match the offer sheets of either (or both), I'm fine with it, but I'm also not going to be too upset if we don't, unless this management team piddles away the cap space we get on turds and bums like previous management groups would have.

I'm pretty much at the same point. I'm indifferent to what they decide, but I'm hoping there's a clear plan if they decide to let them walk. Need to be able to find a top 4D replacement if not. Was really looking forward to the forward lines with Holloway here, but if he isn't then it is what it is. Lots of interesting faces fighting for spots at camp this year.

 

[ManofSteel55]

I don't blame the Blues at all. This really is on Jackson and to some degree Bowman.

You left yourself in a shit situation and were probably bickering over a few hundred thousand dollars at one point and now look at what it costs you.

It's been brought up on here, social media, radio etc.. about potential offersheets for a month. It was a smart move by STL to try speed up their transition period.

We can blame the Blues as well. Our management left this possibility open, but the Blues are the ones offering our players 2 - 4 times their values. Yes, its in the rules, they are allowed to, but we can still dislike them for it.

 

[McFlyingV]

They're technically not under contract with the Edmonton Oilers. All of those other players are.


He'd be awfully Saad if he wasn't.

This is the answer. Only players under contract are on the active roster list.

 

[Reasonable Oil Fan]

Gee Dave
Because the NHL removed all non contracted players from the rosters this afternoon?

Youd think hes Columbo or something

 

[TheNumber4]

I don't blame the Blues at all. This really is on Jackson and to some degree Bowman.

You left yourself in a shit situation and were probably bickering over a few hundred thousand dollars at one point and now look at what it costs you.

It's been brought up on here, social media, radio etc.. about potential offersheets for a month. It was a smart move by STL to try speed up their transition period.

That’s one rumor/narrative out there. I also heard they wouldn’t sign for the very real possibility that an offer sheet could come. I won’t form an opinion on if JJ and Bowman screwed up until something solid about the negoations came out. The most solid assessment I’ve heard is from Bob who pretty much put the blame on Holland for not signing the players mid season.

 

[Barrsy]

Hes such a vacuous dolt

 

[belair]

I don't blame the Blues at all. This really is on Jackson and to some degree Bowman.

You left yourself in a shit situation and were probably bickering over a few hundred thousand dollars at one point and now look at what it costs you.

It's been brought up on here, social media, radio etc.. about potential offersheets for a month. It was a smart move by STL to try speed up their transition period.

Broberg was at odds with the organization months before either of those guys were near this organization. Broberg and Holloway were high pedigree prospects that were being slow played. Lack of trust, lack of earning potential. This is very much a result of 'overripening' our prospects.

Agree that it's a smart move by St Louis though.

 

[smokersarejokers]

Gee Dave
Because the NHL removed all non contracted players from the rosters this afternoon?

Youd think hes Columbo or something

That's an insult to Columbo.

Columbo plays dumb, Staples is actually dumb.

 

[McBooya42]

Hes such a vacuous dolt

Props for the wordage. Aptly descriptive.

 

[Reasonable Oil Fan]

That's an insult to Columbo.

Columbo plays dumb, Staples is actually dumb.

Excellent point!
my bad

 

[joestevens29]

We can blame the Blues as well. Our management left this possibility open, but the Blues are the ones offering our players 2 - 4 times their values. Yes, its in the rules, they are allowed to, but we can still dislike them for it.

That's kind of what offer sheets are though. They are never market value as players wouldn't sign them in the first place.

That’s one rumor/narrative out there. I also heard they wouldn’t sign for the very real possibility that an offer sheet could come. I won’t form an opinion on if JJ and Bowman screwed up until something solid about the negoations came out. The most solid assessment I’ve heard is from Bob who pretty much put the blame on Holland for not signing the players mid season.

Even if Holland is to blame. Jackson had plenty of time to step in and fix it. Either sign them or trade them for more than what an offersheet was going to return.

 

[TheNumber4]

That's kind of what offer sheets are though. They are never market value as players wouldn't sign them in the first place.


Even if Holland is to blame. Jackson had plenty of time to step in and fix it. Either sign them or trade them for more than what an offersheet was going to return.

JJ was dealing with these players in a totally different situation though. Post playoffs, where they showed to the Oilers and most of the NHL world how good they could be.

 

[aspin3]

This is what I'm leaning towards as well. They've replaced these two guys (sort of) with lesser picks and made some cap space, now they can let both of these guys go, get a couple of picks from the Blues, and work with a 2nd and 3rd rounder in this draft instead of...well, nothing in this draft.


We also needed to make some changes to that blueline after last years playoffs. Ceci may not have been the biggest culprit, but having him here did mean that we can't improve the slot he was in. Now, Ceci is gone, and we might have some assets to actually improve on that 2RD spot. Maybe.

 

[alphahelix]

This is what I'm leaning towards as well. They've replaced these two guys (sort of) with lesser picks and made some cap space, now they can let both of these guys go, get a couple of picks from the Blues, and work with a 2nd and 3rd rounder in this draft instead of...well, nothing in this draft.


We also needed to make some changes to that blueline after last years playoffs. Ceci may not have been the biggest culprit, but having him here did mean that we can't improve the slot he was in. Now, Ceci is gone, and we might have some assets to actually improve on that 2RD spot. Maybe.

If we dont match and we wind up losing Desharnais, Ceci, Broberg out of our top 6 and replacing them with waiver scraps, we’re not getting back to the finals.

People here have such a short memory… remember when we didn’t have Desharnais Ceci or Broberg? Our defence was incapable of defending and we sucked.