Confirmed with Link: Oilers Do Not Match Broberg ($4.58M X2) & Holloway ($2.29M x 2) Offer Sheets | Oilers acquire STL 3rd '28 & Paul Fischer for Futures
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TopShelfGloveSide
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Teams clearly circumvent the rules all the time.
Drivesaitl
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This was my question and what I mentioned in my post. Seems to be circumvention, and also collusion. I think the NHL could look at either in intervening and likely would. In the Oilers instance anyway.
Has there been precedent of player matched and then waived ensuing season? Seems the discussion if had would include these details? On surface just seems like an idea that hasn't been researched at all.
McJadeddog
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Yeah exactly. The NHL is more than comfortable simply creating rules when it pleases them.
oXo Cube
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Yes but there are levels. This sort of thing would be Kovalchuk contract with New Jersey levels of obvious.
Either way seems like a pretty unrealistic idea in the real world.
Frank the Tank
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The league ignored the Rangers waiving Goodrow to send him to the Sharks despite SJ being on his no trade list.
Behind Enemy Lines
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Guy's a baller. It's part of the reason he's carved out a solid career as a journeyman defenseman. He plays hard and can absorb minutes on poor teams. Pattern has been as those bad teams improve his ice-time reduces and he moves as a deadline depth d on playoffs teams and then repeats the cycle again.
CrazyJoeDavola
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Yup, that's pretty much it. Broberg and Hollywood were left to rot and their development was purposely thrown aside for geriatric vets, and now we are here.
And Broberg was doing this on his offside. How would you feel if you are finally given your shot but have to basically start your full-time nhl career on your off side, thus even throwing another wrench in your development and potentially future earnings. I don't blame him for being frustrated. Woody and Holland's hatred for youth brought us here.
These are our two top fwd and D prospects that got the shaft over the last 2 years and it's all our fault.
Drivesaitl
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This has been mentioned many times in the thread but there is a huge difference between older players who are already earnings rich and younger players who are not.
Your claim that McDrai will just leave millions on the table is contention without citation. In anycase its speculative and nobody would know that.
The stuff on Broberg not wanting to be here we don't have all the details either and we don't know how much either that could be due to how badly the Oilers mismanaged the player. I don't put it just on Broberg if he doesn't want to be here. its a flag (another one) on how badly we deal with our prospects.
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Stone going on the IR at the same time every year is crazy obvious is well. Same with the Leafs signing old glass Tanev until 2050.
I agree though it’s probably not realistic.
Drivesaitl
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I don't think thats the same thing unless a no trade list prohibits waiver entirely.
Nor is there the one year rule that applies specifically to matching offer sheets.
One good turn deserves another...weren't posters on here talking about Karma?
Why would the Oilers trade picks to sweeten deals for Kulak or Ceci? Just match and waive those guys if the alternative is bleeding away more picks.
Frank the Tank
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So the Oilers can negotiate with the Blues to ask for additional compensation to provide Edmonton with additional incentive to not match the offer sheet? However, they can't negotiate with SJ to provide incentive for a match and waive option? That seems arbitrary, but I wouldn't be surprised if the league tries to apply the rules unevenly.
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Agreed on your post. I wouldn't necessarily say hatred but circumstantially this has been a high chaos organization with extreme highs and lows that spun through 3 coaches since Broberg's draft day. Youth was not trusted to pull this team out of the muck with the pressure from all areas, ownership, management, fanbase, to become a legitimate playoff contender. Their badly neglected sub-average defense needed immediate upgrades with proven veterans Keith, Kulak, Ekholm filling up LD spots.
Woodrow the AHL development coach gave long leashes to kids but largely acted like a run-of-the mill veteran coach when his job was to win NHL games. Taking over from Tippett one of his first decisions was to send down Skinner despite the shaky goaltending of Smith/Koskinen. It's what NHL coaches tend to do in situations where winning and playoffs are expected and their teams aren't meeting those expectations.
Onboarding a mature phase organization is tough to do, especially for young defensemen, and especially within high chaos situations we've seen in yo yo Edmonton seasons. It's had an exceptionally high cost as this organization has walked itself into a fork on the road defining situation with its two NHL ready pedigree young players.
EDIT: Just to add, Woody's coaching 'genius' was found out as just as this team's talent did for him replacing Tippett, they normalized their on-ice results to expected levels, they did the same and more for Knoblauch and Coffey.
There's real danger in being forced to make decisions on especially Broberg in light of the fog of chaos surround this team.
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Slats432
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He has $9M reasons to report. And since the team can't trade him for a year if the deal is matched, he pisses away $4.5M? Not possible.
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That’s not the point. It’s a team clearly circumventing a NTC through waivers.
The Oilers would be circumventing a no trade rule through waivers. It’s same same but different.
Drivesaitl
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Unless I'm mistaken there is no clause that says you cannot waive a player with a NTC.
There is a specific clause that says a matched offersheet player CANNOT be traded at all for one year.
They are different things.
NHL wouldn't allow us to do this anyway so..
not sure either what makes the SJ thing so great. I'm not revenge motivated.
ps this lays out the rules pretty well
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Woodrow was a president. I know Woody tried to look all important and everything in suits but.....
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It sucks we’re on the wrong end of this one but I think overall rfa’s becoming open season actually benefits the Oilers.
I see an opportunity to poach good young players from lesser teams. Say you’ve got a team that doesn’t have a lot of high end talent and maybe as a result they’ve got a high pick who hasn’t quite established himself coming out of his elc and his team isn’t quite ready to open up their wallets for him yet. If he waits until July 1 and then Edmonton comes knocking and says “hey do you wanna come play with Mcdavid and Draisaitl?” And much like STL did structure the deal in a way that makes it most uncomfortable for his current team without having to give up much in pick value. That player signs the offer sheet and then tells his current team he doesn’t want to play for them. Edmonton is better positioned to get more out of the player for the inflated cap hit and no matter what they now control the asset.
I see an opportunity to poach good young players from lesser teams. Say you’ve got a team that doesn’t have a lot of high end talent and maybe as a result they’ve got a high pick who hasn’t quite established himself coming out of his elc and his team isn’t quite ready to open up their wallets for him yet. If he waits until July 1 and then Edmonton comes knocking and says “hey do you wanna come play with Mcdavid and Draisaitl?” And much like STL did structure the deal in a way that makes it most uncomfortable for his current team without having to give up much in pick value. That player signs the offer sheet and then tells his current team he doesn’t want to play for them. Edmonton is better positioned to get more out of the player for the inflated cap hit and no matter what they now control the asset.
Drivesaitl
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No worries. Did not see it as labeling. I was just making myself clearer. Fair point its Broberg that is credited. Mentoring was there though under Coffey, and it wasn't under Manson.
Agreed, ballsy move by KK and Coffey inserting Broberg in playoffs. A lot of fans that thought it was a bad bad move. From first game Broberg showed he should be there.
Holloway thinking he can get double the pay and also try and win the cup. It doesn't work that way kid. You're screwing the team over. We don't want you
Broberg would be getting waived, not tradedUnless I'm mistaken there is no clause that says you cannot waive a player with a NTC.
There is a specific clause that says a matched offersheet player CANNOT be traded at all for one year.
They are different things.
NHL wouldn't allow us to do this anyway so..
not sure either what makes the SJ thing so great. I'm not revenge motivated.
ps this lays out the rules pretty well
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Woodrow was a president. I know Woody tried to look all important and everything in suits but.....
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That's devious as fack. I would rather give san Jose broberg than st Louis. f*** those guys
