Oilers are good at hockey again: Back in the plofs

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Not to mention strength of schedule uses your point percentage, so a bad slide or a really good run can skew this massively. Similar to PDO, Strength of Schedule is just another useless way of looking at things that someone made up because they were bored

I mean. The PDO point is not the same as SoS point. I think there is merit to the SoS discussion, but PDO generally always trends back to the mean over a long enough sample size.

Not necessarily a regression to the mean, that's a gamblers fallacy similar to saying that since the last 5 coin flips were heads the next one will be Tails, but certainly you don't expect to keep over performing. In Vancouver's case I would expect them to have high PDO - y'all have great Goaltending and some talented forwards. But literally the current Canuck's team has like 8 players shooting like a standard deviation or more higher than their career average and I think it's fair to note that that's not likely to continue forever.

Many teams have had extended runs with large unsustainable PDO. In fact most teams that win the cup do have an extended run with good PDO. That said very rarely, if not never has that lasted an entire season and an entire playoffs run. Does that mean Vancouver is a bad team? Absolutely not. Clearly they're talented and deep. But I think it's fair to say they have over performed a little bit - how much is hard to say for sure due to score effects and that, but I don't think it's a stretch to say they've benefitted from some bounces.

It's also certainly possible that it does continue. I just think it's fair to state that it's not likely.
 
Oilers are a good hockey team until they play any playoff team.

Show your work. Certainly that can't be based on a game they dominated and didn't get the bounces against Vegas, particularly since the season series is at one a piece and even in scoring outside of an empty net.
 
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Show your work. Certainly that can't be based on a game they dominated and didn't get the bounces against Vegas, particularly since the season series is at one a piece and even in scoring outside of an empty net.
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Show your work. Certainly that can't be based on a game they dominated and didn't get the bounces against Vegas, particularly since the season series is at one a piece and even in scoring outside of an empty net.

I think this person is suggesting they had a weak schedule to be able to get these wins.

The problem with that is tons of teams face weaker non playoff teams and you know what happens?

They lose.

Oilers did great winning 16 in a row and honestly are back to being that cup contender the media said they would be.

Won't be shocked to see an addition or 2 to this roster.
 
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I mean. The PDO point is not the same as SoS point. I think there is merit to the SoS discussion, but PDO generally always trends back to the mean over a long enough sample size.

Not necessarily a regression to the mean, that's a gamblers fallacy similar to saying that since the last 5 coin flips were heads the next one will be Tails, but certainly you don't expect to keep over performing. In Vancouver's case I would expect them to have high PDO - y'all have great Goaltending and some talented forwards. But literally the current Canuck's team has like 8 players shooting like a standard deviation or more higher than their career average and I think it's fair to note that that's not likely to continue forever.

Many teams have had extended runs with large unsustainable PDO. In fact most teams that win the cup do have an extended run with good PDO. That said very rarely, if not never has that lasted an entire season and an entire playoffs run. Does that mean Vancouver is a bad team? Absolutely not. Clearly they're talented and deep. But I think it's fair to say they have over performed a little bit - how much is hard to say for sure due to score effects and that, but I don't think it's a stretch to say they've benefitted from some bounces.

It's also certainly possible that it does continue. I just think it's fair to state that it's not likely.
Not calling you out or anything but if you check the numbers, generally high shooting percentage teams, at least since 2000, seem to be able to generally keep their high shooting percentage for about 3 years with a few exceptions both ways.
 
Not calling you out or anything but if you check the numbers, generally high shooting percentage teams, at least since 2000, seem to be able to generally keep their high shooting percentage for about 3 years with a few exceptions both ways.

Right. High shooting percentage teams.

The Canuck's aren't just a high scoring percentage team right now though, they literally have a higher sitting percentage than the 80s Oilers.

Which. Idk. I'm not saying they're not good. But I somehow doubt that the core of guys that was not good enough to make the playoffs several years running suddenly is the super-goat most talented team ever after revamping their bottom 6 forwards and bottom 4D.
 

I mean it's definitely more fun than losing to Columbus who is also an elite team in the NHL. We'd see everyone roll out 10+ game win streaks regularly if it was so simple.

It's a combination of playing well, winning a couple of games you got outplayed in, and getting the odd bounce. That's why it's so rare.
 
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If the oilers are only beating the easy teams, why have the Canucks lost to the bluejackets and sharks this year?

They also beat the jets hurricanes and Vegas in 3 straight before this streak.
If the Canucks are so bad, why did they beat the Oilers?

I was contesting the assertion that their play had drastically improved. Eking out OT wins against lower seeded teams doesn't seem to support that.
 
8 back to back games for the Oilers the rest of the season.

This is when their depth will be tested, not only by playing their backup goalies, travel, but also injuries and fatigue which becomes more prominent with back to back games in the schedule.
 
If the Canucks are so bad, why did they beat the Oilers?

I was contesting the assertion that their play had drastically improved. Eking out OT wins against lower seeded teams doesn't seem to support that.
I have never said the Canucks are bad.

You putting words in my mouth doesn’t help your argument.

You don’t think they’re playing better than the 12 games at the start of the year?
 
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Right. High shooting percentage teams.

The Canuck's aren't just a high scoring percentage team right now though, they literally have a higher sitting percentage than the 80s Oilers.

Which. Idk. I'm not saying they're not good. But I somehow doubt that the core of guys that was not good enough to make the playoffs several years running suddenly is the super-goat most talented team ever after revamping their bottom 6 forwards and bottom 4D.
I hate to be that guy, but their forwards were always talented, plus Demko last year was injured and Canucks had no defenders besides Hughes.
 
I hate to be that guy, but their forwards were always talented, plus Demko last year was injured and Canucks had no defenders besides Hughes.

So you think there are 8 hhof calibre players on this Canuck's roster?

Whose beating Gretzky and Messier in all time scoring?

Probably noted snipers with entire careers of shooting over 20% this year like Pius Suter and Sam Lafferty I imagine.
 
It's a combination of playing well, winning a couple of games you got outplayed in, and getting the odd bounce. That's why it's so rare.

I don't think their play has drastically improved, but they're more structured and are getting serviceable goaltending. You can't discount beating up on the likes of the Hawks et al as playing a factor, though.
 
I have never said the Canucks are bad.

You putting words in my mouth doesn’t help your argument.

Give me a break. The implication that the Canucks lost to Columbus (once) and San Jose (once, after hanging 10 on them) is that they can't beat 'easy' teams and therefore aren't good.

But if that isn't what you were getting at, perhaps you could elucidate your point?

You don’t think they’re playing better than the 12 games at the start of the year?
As I said, I think they're getting stable goaltending, but I don't think they're drastically improved.

I do think they have their confidence back, as McDavid isn't as sulky as he was earlier in the season. That will help. But I'm curious how things will go down the stretch.
 
So you think there are 8 hhof calibre players on this Canuck's roster?

Whose beating Gretzky and Messier in all time scoring?

Probably noted snipers with entire careers of shooting over 20% this year like Pius Suter and Sam Lafferty I imagine.
8 HHOF? You’re insane. But I have no doubt they are one of the most talented roster out there though, and mix that in with a great coaching staff , that’s why they are at the very top of the league.

Oilers also have one the most talented rosters , and their results of the past two months speak for themselves.
 
So you think there are 8 hhof calibre players on this Canuck's roster?

No one is saying this.

Whose beating Gretzky and Messier in all time scoring?
No one is saying this, either. The only Gretzky comparable we had was Dale Weise (this is an ancient joke only a few people outside the Canucks fanbase will understand.)

Probably noted snipers with entire careers of shooting over 20% this year like Pius Suter and Sam Lafferty I imagine.

And no one is saying this and, frankly, I think Canucks fans are pleasantly surprised at seeing their depth players not be boat anchors or be hemmed in their own zone all game long. Some on our boards are even saying we're probably going to be walking from some of those guys as their cap hits most likely won't be justified with their subsequent production.

Are you going out of your way to ignore that guys like Miller, Pettersson, Hughes, and Boeser were productive contributors prior to this season?

If you think they're trash, say so, or stop dancing around the fact that, gasp, the Canucks do have some talented players on their team and, gasp, some of them play positions that aren't just forward.
 
8 HHOF? You’re insane. But I have no doubt they are one of the most talented roster out there though, and mix that in with a great coaching staff , that’s why they are at the very top of the league.

Oilers also have one the most talented rosters , and their results of the past two months speak for themselves.

So, you don't think they're the most talented team of all time and you think therefore it's likely their shooting percentage will drop?

Or you think their shooting percentage will stay as the best of all time because they are the most talented team of all time?

It's ok to admit that you're on a heater. It's a good thing to be on a heater... Hell the oilers were on a heater.
 
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