Oilers are good at hockey again: Back in the plofs

[AwesomeInTheory]

So, you don't think they're the most talented team of all time and you think therefore it's likely their shooting percentage will drop?

Who is saying they're 'the most talented team of all time' besides salty Oilers fans looking for a strawman to beat up?

Or you think their shooting percentage will stay as the best of all time because they are the most talented team of all time?

It's ok to admit that you're on a heater. It's a good thing to be on a heater... Hell the oilers were on a heater.

Canucks on 50 games and counting 'heater.' Gary Bettman to issue a 'takesies backsies' press conference tomorrow to address Vancouver's fraudulent record as 'actually only middle of the pack, not particularly good' thanks to the exhaustive work of data scientists from the YEG region.

It's okay to admit the Canucks are playing well this season and there are reasons to support it beyond Sam f***ing Lafferty or delving into over the top hyperbole.

 

[daver]

So are the Oiler are who we thought they are? That is the question.

 

[AwesomeInTheory]

So are the Oiler are who we thought they are? That is the question.

Their goaltending is fairly suspect still, IMO.

Will their forward group be able to overcome? Who knows.

 

[iCanada]

Who is saying they're 'the most talented team of all time' besides salty Oilers fans looking for a strawman to beat up?



Canucks on 50 games and counting 'heater.' Gary Bettman to issue a 'takesies backsies' press conference tomorrow to address Vancouver's fraudulent record as 'actually only middle of the pack, not particularly good' thanks to the exhaustive work of data scientists from the YEG region.

It's okay to admit the Canucks are playing well this season and there are reasons to support it beyond Sam f***ing Lafferty or delving into over the top hyperbole.

The Flames have gone on several 82 game heaters over the years.

I've prefaced that clearly the Canuck's are good the entire time. But in order for the Canuck's to keep scoring at this rate, you basically are saying that they are the most talented team of all time because they are scoring at a rate per chance and shot that eclipses the most talented teams of all time.

Not sure why admitting the Canuck's have had puck luck and won a few lucky ones is unreasonable. Even if they have had a lot of puck luck they're still a good team.

 

[PaulD]

So, you don't think they're the most talented team of all time and you think therefore it's likely their shooting percentage will drop?

Or you think their shooting percentage will stay as the best of all time because they are the most talented team of all time?

It's ok to admit that you're on a heater. It's a good thing to be on a heater... Hell the oilers were on a heater.

Still are. 16-1 is "on a heater"

 

[iCanada]

Still are. 16-1 is "on a heater"

Yeah absolutely. The oilers likely won't continue to win at a 0.941 pace, you're right.

 

[Coffee]

Their goaltending is fairly suspect still, IMO.

Will their forward group be able to overcome? Who knows.

Oilers goaltending is fine

 

[AwesomeInTheory]

The Flames have gone on several 82 game heaters over the years.

I've prefaced that clearly the Canuck's are good the entire time. But in order for the Canuck's to keep scoring at this rate, you basically are saying that they are the most talented team of all time because they are scoring at a rate per chance and shot that eclipses the most talented teams of all time.

No one is saying that the Canucks are the most talented team of all time or that they've been getting good results from their depth players.

The big issue are Oilers fans (primarily) pissing all over the Canucks success as a complete mirage.

If we assume that the Canucks record is a mirage (PDO! Not sustainable! Shooting percentage!) does it not stand to reason that much of the same logic being applied to the Canucks could be thrown the Oilers way?

Not sure why admitting the Canuck's have had puck luck and won a few lucky ones is unreasonable. Even if they have had a lot of puck luck they're still a good team.

Literally in my prior response (that you completely ignored, because I guess talking about Sam Lafferty's shooting percentage is the most compelling thing about the Canucks):

"And no one is saying this and, frankly, I think Canucks fans are pleasantly surprised at seeing their depth players not be boat anchors or be hemmed in their own zone all game long. Some on our boards are even saying we're probably going to be walking from some of those guys as their cap hits most likely won't be justified with their subsequent production.

Are you going out of your way to ignore that guys like Miller, Pettersson, Hughes, and Boeser were productive contributors prior to this season?

If you think they're trash, say so, or stop dancing around the fact that, gasp, the Canucks do have some talented players on their team and, gasp, some of them play positions that aren't just forward."

Oilers goaltending is fine

Ehh. Unsustainable. Small sample size. Etc etc etc.

Half-joking.

(He is on his way, but I'd like to see more of him overall.)

 

[iCanada]

No one is saying that the Canucks are the most talented team of all time or that they've been getting good results from their depth players.

The big issue are Oilers fans (primarily) pissing all over the Canucks success as a complete mirage.

If we assume that the Canucks record is a mirage (PDO! Not sustainable! Shooting percentage!) does it not stand to reason that much of the same logic being applied to the Canucks could be thrown the Oilers way?



Literally in my prior response (that you completely ignored, because I guess talking about Sam Lafferty's shooting percentage is the most compelling thing about the Canucks):

"And no one is saying this and, frankly, I think Canucks fans are pleasantly surprised at seeing their depth players not be boat anchors or be hemmed in their own zone all game long. Some on our boards are even saying we're probably going to be walking from some of those guys as their cap hits most likely won't be justified with their subsequent production.

Are you going out of your way to ignore that guys like Miller, Pettersson, Hughes, and Boeser were productive contributors prior to this season?

If you think they're trash, say so, or stop dancing around the fact that, gasp, the Canucks do have some talented players on their team and, gasp, some of them play positions that aren't just forward."

I never said they were trash. I've clearly said a number of times they're a good team with a lot of talent.

All I'm saying is that usually an entire team having career years isn't sustainable and it's likely they aren't the best team ever to play the game, and are instead a top 10 to top 5 team in the league.

It's clear to everyone that they are a talented team with good players.

 

[Tobias Kahun]

Give me a break. The implication that the Canucks lost to Columbus (once) and San Jose (once, after hanging 10 on them) is that they can't beat 'easy' teams and therefore aren't good.

But if that isn't what you were getting at, perhaps you could elucidate your point?


As I said, I think they're getting stable goaltending, but I don't think they're drastically improved.

I do think they have their confidence back, as McDavid isn't as sulky as he was earlier in the season. That will help. But I'm curious how things will go down the stretch.

My point was that even good teams can lose to bad teams they’re expected to beat.

The oilers were beating teams they were expected to, but it’s also easier said than done to go on a lengthy winning streak like the oilers have twice.

 

[olafsson]

Oilers would beat VAN in 4 games if they meet in plaoffs

Oof, you really went there

 

[PaulD]

That's a bit of a stretch. Gagner hasn't hit .5PPG since 2017, and Perry has done it once or twice since then.



Kane and Foegele are in the top six forward scorers. After that it's McLeod (good). Then the 8th, 9th, and 10th scorers all have ten points or less.

That is relatively low. A team with good depth scoring will have a couple third liners (ranks 7, 8, 9) with 20 or so points at this point in the season (examples: Vancouver, Winnipeg, Detroit, Columbus). Average depth scoring team will have guys in those ranks with 15+ points. There are some contenders like the Avs and Bolts that have comparably weak depth scoring to the Oilers, but they'll fix that at the deadline. The Oilers have to as well.

After last night's fantastic game in Vegas the Oilers know where the bar is set.
The Knights.

Yeah absolutely. The oilers likely won't continue to win at a 0.941 pace, you're right.

Yea, but when they had to....they did.
They finally have great goaltending. Skinner has arrived. That's trouble for the rest of the league.

 

[PaulD]

My point was that even good teams can lose to bad teams they’re expected to beat.

The oilers were beating teams they were expected to, but it’s also easier said than done to go on a lengthy winning streak like the oilers have twice.

no kidding

 

[PaulD]

The Flames have gone on several 82 game heaters over the years.

I've prefaced that clearly the Canuck's are good the entire time. But in order for the Canuck's to keep scoring at this rate, you basically are saying that they are the most talented team of all time because they are scoring at a rate per chance and shot that eclipses the most talented teams of all time.

Not sure why admitting the Canuck's have had puck luck and won a few lucky ones is unreasonable. Even if they have had a lot of puck luck they're still a good team.

The west is far more interesting and stronger than the east.
Florida will win the east and go to the finals.

Knights, Oilers, Nucks, Stars, Aves, would beat the other 7 eastern teams in a play off series no problem.

The break the Panthers might get this season is the beating the western finalist is going to go through getting to the fourth round.

 

[Dust]

Give me a break. The implication that the Canucks lost to Columbus (once) and San Jose (once, after hanging 10 on them) is that they can't beat 'easy' teams and therefore aren't good.

I think the point being made is that even very good teams lose to bad teams once in a while. That's why the streak was impressive, because even against bad teams, it's hard to reel off a big number like that consecutively. The Canucks haven't been able to do it, the Bruins who set the single season record last year couldn't do it. It's really, really hard to do.

 

[Czechboy]

So are the Oiler are who we thought they are? That is the question.

What do you think they are?

 

[Szechwan]

The Flames have gone on several 82 game heaters over the years.

I've prefaced that clearly the Canuck's are good the entire time. But in order for the Canuck's to keep scoring at this rate, you basically are saying that they are the most talented team of all time because they are scoring at a rate per chance and shot that eclipses the most talented teams of all time.

Not sure why admitting the Canuck's have had puck luck and won a few lucky ones is unreasonable. Even if they have had a lot of puck luck they're still a good team.

I just want to be clear here.. You're saying that if Vancouver continues on their pace you're going to consider them the most talented group of all time?

 

[iCanada]

I just want to be clear here.. You're saying that if Vancouver continues on their pace you're going to consider them the most talented group of all time?

Till the end of the regular season? Nope.

For the next 5+ years with several Stanley cups because they need only half as many shots and chances as the other team to win? Absolutely.

But I think that's unlikely.

 

[Szechwan]

Till the end of the regular season? Nope.

For the next 5+ years with several Stanley cups because they need only half as many shots and chances as the other team to win? Absolutely.

But I think that's unlikely.

No in here is making any proclamation about 5 year stretches though, they've just said Vancouver's system probably won't lead to a huge crash in underlying numbers this season. It was you who decided that "in order for the Canuck's to keep scoring at this rate, you basically are saying that they are the most talented team of all time".

 

[thaman8765678]

Oilers are a good regular season team. Like the Cowboys of the NHL.

 

[PuckG]

The one thing about SoS though is that it does naturally get skewed a little bit against good teams just naturally because they both beat everyone and don't have to play themselves.

For example the 80s Oilers had the easiest schedule in the league for basically an entire decade supposedly.

My criticism is more with the consistency of Canuck fans arguments than it is with the actual metric.

If you’re going to make a statement using an objective measure, you should be able to consistently apply it instead of ignore it when it conveniently doesn’t favour you.

 

[Dust]

Oilers are a good regular season team. Like the Cowboys of the NHL.

Mixing them up with the Flames. Dallas hasn't played in the NFC Championship game since '96.

 

[Coffee]

Till the end of the regular season? Nope.

For the next 5+ years with several Stanley cups because they need only half as many shots and chances as the other team to win? Absolutely.

But I think that's unlikely.

I hate to be that guy, but fans were saying Canucks being first place by February was unlikely too.

So right now, I don’t think what you proposed is unlikely , like at all

 

[GOilers88]

After last night's fantastic game in Vegas the Oilers know where the bar is set.
The Knights.


Yea, but when they had to....they did.
They finally have great goaltending. Skinner has arrived. That's trouble for the rest of the league.

The entire league knew where the bar was set before this season started. Defending champions and all.

 

[PaulD]

The entire league knew where the bar was set before this season started. Defending champions and all.

but to many of thos teams beating the Knights Inn the pksy offs ain't is not their bar.
Only contenders like the Oil have the bar that high.