Value of: Oilers 2017 unprotected 1st

[Dbrownss]

Mid range pick this year, worth a #4dman or prospect close to NHL ready with that upside

 

[DJJones]

A top 5 pick is always a game changer.

 

[oStealthKiller*]

So does anyone other then the Toronto fan want to state what they would trade for it? Don't say number 4 dman, pick someone off ur roster you'd trade for it, 1st + something

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Been hearing this for years.

Not an Oilers fan, but I feel this year (injuries not withstanding) will be different for a few reasons. They've shored up their defense, have good coaching, have good goaltending and McDavid will be on year 2. Of course, injuries could derail it, but in the recent past, they've never been as complete.

Not saying they'll make the playoffs for sure, but I expect them to compete for the playoffs and predict the pick will be in the 12-18 range.

As a Canes fan, I really wouldn't trade for that pick. Not because that pick won't be valuable, but the Canes are already a very young team with lots of young players so not sure it makes a lot of sense to trade a young D or young F for a draft pick in that range.

 

[StephenPeat]

that's what makes this thread intriguing though.

And precisely the reason the pick won't be traded before the season and likely into the second half of the season at the earliest. Edm GM values the pick as Top 5, Opposing GM value it as 10-20. I suspect the former is why Edm hasn't traded the pick in previous seasons, the later is why similar trades won't be entertained from here on out. It's just not a good poker play to bet on good luck and bad circumstance to be infinite. Also any halfway decent player traded for the pick likely dents the realized value, too many variables currently.

 

[StephenPeat]

Most likely 8th-14th. A second pairing RHD, or solid 3C isn't going to vault this team into the playoffs

If Edm wanted to trade the pick today, this is approximately it's value...3D or more likely 4D or 3C. From the Capitals, I wouldn't trade Backstrom or Kuznetsov for that pick ditto Carlson, Alzner, Niskanen.

Now starting from there is the pick still on the table? For say Orlov......Edm fans don't seem to like that idea and that's what it would be worth. This is why Edm will be unsuccessful trading the pick for help now or if they are successful, their fan base will likely not be thrilled with the return.

 

[ManofSteel55]

GM's don't trade for picks this far away often. I do think Chiarelli will shop it come next draft though, might be a good way to get another d-man.

EDIT - might be a deal that happens partway through the season too. If we are in playoff contention, I would bet that the pick moves for a piece that helps us on the blueline.

 

[tony d]

A guy like Shattenkirk could be had for a top 5-10 pick.

 

[Homesick]

It won't be treated as that special. No GM is going to take that major a risk, it won't land you a top pairing RHD unless that player is drastically overpaid.

No one said it did. I think the Oilers are fine with Larsson as the top pairing RHD

Been hearing this for years.

Yup

This years diffy

How so? A couple key injuries again and its lottery time

 

[McWeber]

At this time of the year its probably less a matter of finding who you can get for the pick and more about who can be had for a 1st. Not many teams are willing to trade away from the roster for futures before a season starts, not exactly sending the right message. Once a team looks to be falling out of the standings then there may actually be a market for a 1st rounder.

 

[Homesick]

If Edm wanted to trade the pick today, this is approximately it's value...3D or more likely 4D or 3C. From the Capitals, I wouldn't trade Backstrom or Kuznetsov for that pick ditto Carlson, Alzner, Niskanen.

Now starting from there is the pick still on the table? For say Orlov......Edm fans don't seem to like that idea and that's what it would be worth. This is why Edm will be unsuccessful trading the pick for help now or if they are successful, their fan base will likely not be thrilled with the return.

I agree with you that Oiler fans won't agree with that but I do. I know Orlov is a LHD but he plays the right side if I remember correctly.

 

[ManofSteel55]

Not an Oilers fan, but I feel this year (injuries not withstanding) will be different for a few reasons. They've shored up their defense, have good coaching, have good goaltending and McDavid will be on year 2. Of course, injuries could derail it, but in the recent past, they've never been as complete.

Not saying they'll make the playoffs for sure, but I expect them to compete for the playoffs and predict the pick will be in the 12-18 range.

As a Canes fan, I really wouldn't trade for that pick. Not because that pick won't be valuable, but the Canes are already a very young team with lots of young players so not sure it makes a lot of sense to trade a young D or young F for a draft pick in that range.

Too bad. We could really use Slavin.

 

[ManofSteel55]

I agree with you that Oiler fans won't agree with that but I do. I know Orlov is a LHD but he plays the right side if I remember correctly.

My only issue with Orlov is that I think we need more of a puck moving powerplay specialist. I like the player, just not sure if he is the right fit.

That said, if we go with a 4 forward 1st powerplay unit then we may not need a powerplay guy at all. Lucic-McDavid-Eberle up front, Nuge as the distributor on the backend and Sekera as the point shot could work. Sekera didn't work as shooter last year, but I believe that was because we spent most of the year not looking at enough options on the powerplay. Sorry...off topic, ha ha.

 

[member 157595]

A guy like Shattenkirk could be had for a top 5-10 pick.

If Shattenkirk was signed long-term he'd probably already be an Oiler.

Don't see the Oilers moving an unprotected 1st for a rental at the moment.

 

[StephenPeat]

If Shattenkirk was signed long-term he'd probably already be an Oiler.

Don't see the Oilers moving an unprotected 1st for a rental at the moment.

Herein lies the rub. If Shattenkirk was signed long-term he'd probably stay a Blue and his value would likely exceed the value the Oilers 1st will have when it's actually used (by the Oilers or whomever they trade it to).

 

[Halla]

Leafs:

Depends when you want this trade to happen. If its near the TDL, id do Kadri ++

this is assuming the pick is top 3 right?
and if the oilers are battling for the playoffs?

 

[Beacon]

The Oilers are expected to make the playoffs so their pick won't be that valuable. Lucic+Larsson are better than Hall alone. McDavid and Klefbom should play the full season. Nurse and Reinhardt should mature. Oilers definitely won't be top 10, so protection won't matter. They may not even be top 20.

 

[Brock Radunske]

Wow! I did a "Oilers" search and couldn't find anything for this. Although not that surprising since its usually the only thing Oilers fans have to look forward to.

Well documented what the Oilers are looking for but here's a list of their "depth"

Centre: McDavid, Nugent-Hopkins, Draisaitl, Letestu, Lander, Khaira
Left Wing: Lucic, Pouliot, Maroon, Hendricks, Benson, Slepyshev
Right Wing: Eberle, Yakupov, Puljujarvi, Kassian, Caggiula, *Versteeg

Left Defense: Klefbom, Sekera, Davidson, Nurse, Reinhart, Oesterle, Musil, C.Jones
Right Defense: Larsson, Fayne, Bear, Berglund

Goal: Talbot, Gustuvsson, Brossoit

Shatty for the 1st (top 5 protected)

 

[Homesick]

Shatty for the 1st (top 5 protected)

I would do that. Adding Shattenkirk would make the Oilers a legit playoff contender and thats the price a team would pay for him at the deadline anyways. If he does help this team make the playoffs and skips town then so be it. The experience and boost in confidence by making the playoffs for all the kids would be worth it

 

[Vatican Roulette]

Any player the Oilers trade their pick for will have enough value to drop that pick out of the top 15, or more.

It's fools gold.

 

[StephenPeat]

L.p.

Any player the Oilers trade their pick for will have enough value to drop that pick out of the top 15, or more.

It's fools gold.

Precisely why no team will trade a player good enough to have that kind of impact for the Oilers 1st before having some assurance the Oilers will, in fact, be in the lottery. Every GM is not Toronto-era Brian Burke.

 

[A91]

I would do that. Adding Shattenkirk would make the Oilers a legit playoff contender and thats the price a team would pay for him at the deadline anyways. If he does help this team make the playoffs and skips town then so be it. The experience and boost in confidence by making the playoffs for all the kids would be worth it

How about us fans who have waited over a decade for playoff hockey. I do this trade and hope the new arena + McDavid factor + Potential of the team + Money will make him stay.

 

[McVespa99]

A guy like Shattenkirk could be had for a top 5-10 pick.

0 chance the Oil do that unless he is signed long term in which case the Blues dont.

 

[rt]

until the position of the first is determined, it's foolish to speculate as to it's value. Are we talking about a first? A 15th? Drastically different values.

If it's on the table, it's foolish not to speculate.

 

[Dbrownss]

Shatty for the 1st (top 5 protected)

There would be zero protection. Adding Shattenkirk makes the chances of that pick being very valuable slim. If the Oilers can't make the playoffs after adding Shattenkirk....then they just don't deserve anymore top picks lol. A 1st round pick this early in the year just isn't THAT valuable