GDT: Offseason GDT II

[Ziggy Stardust]

None of those teams will win the Cup, save for maybe PIT but I don't think they get past the West. You'd be better off looking at the blue lines of SJ, NSH and STL.

I think you are underestimating the Penguins and Lightning, they could easily defeat any of the Western Conference teams.

And using those teams as an example, for the most part, the most important pieces on each of those bluelines was built from the draft.

Nashville drafted Weber (2nd round), Josi (2nd round), Ellis (1st round), Ekholm (4th round), Bitetto (6th round). Jackman was a free agent signing.

St. Louis drafted Pietrangelo (1st round), Parayko (3rd round), Edmundson (2nd round). They traded for Shattenkirk, Bouwmeester and Gunnarsson.

San Jose drafted Vlasic (2nd round), Braun (7th round). Traded for Burns, Dillon and Polak and signed Martin as a UFA.

A healthy Kings blueline with the addition of a formidable 3-4 dman would look just as good as those other bluelines.

 

[TonySCV]

A healthy Kings blueline with the addition of a formidable 3-4 dman would look just as good as those other bluelines.

Agreed, hence my eyerolling whenever someone else says the Kings need to blow it up and start over.

When Martinez went down, the Kings were done. You've got to have health to make it through.

 

[funky]

Agreed, hence my eyerolling whenever someone else says the Kings need to blow it up and start over.

When Martinez went down, the Kings were done. You've got to have health to make it through.

I agree. We still have a deadly core signed long term

Kopitar #1 stud two way center all teams covet
Carter #2 sniper center
Doughty - top 3 defenseman in the world
Muzzin - awesome number 2 signed dirt cheap
Quick - top 10 goalie, work horse, playoff tested, signed cheap

Then we still have the young pups providing support

Toffoli - young nasty sniper
Pearson - speed demon with some skill and power


These players alone make a great team. The depth will be our achillies and we just need some tweaking there, not a blow up

 

[Trolfoli]

BLOW IT UP!!!!




EDIT: Now that I think about it, they just need to find a way of signing Schenn and they're right back fighting for the division title!

 

[The Tikkanen]

I agree. We still have a deadly core signed long term

Kopitar #1 stud two way center all teams covet
Carter #2 sniper center
Doughty - top 3 defenseman in the world
Muzzin - awesome number 2 signed dirt cheap
Quick - top 10 goalie, work horse, playoff tested, signed cheap

Then we still have the young pups providing support

Toffoli - young nasty sniper
Pearson - speed demon with some skill and power


These players alone make a great team. The depth will be our achillies and we just need some tweaking there, not a blow up

Agreed, the Kings are in position to contend if the GM brings in the right pieces and the coach plays them. The last couple of years there has been way too much loyalty from both Dean and Darryl and that has hurt the Kings. This is a business and the players need to be treated like expendable assets so the Kings can move deeper in the playoffs. Everybody was going insane losing Williams, Mr Game 7 who isn't playing in any Game 7's. Barely heard a peep from Stoll. Richards looks like a totally different hockey player than the one who played for Philly, I've honestly never seen an NHL player always stumbling and falling as much as Richard-again, a forgotten man. King fans will lose their minds when Brown is traded but it's time, he did his thing here, it will never be forgotten but now is now and it's time to move on. For as much as he's done for the Kings he is now holding them back. Greene should have been dealt years ago, as soon as you see the foot speed leave you gotta get away from the player. Sutter's loyalty to the vets might be worse. It's either time to adapt or move on. You cannot keep playing slower vets simply because they are more predictable from a coach's stand point. They are just as predictable and slow to the opposition. There is youth and speed in Ontario, while they may be young and make mental mistakes the foot speed is there and they need NHL minutes.

 

[funky]

I love what Sutter has brought us but it may be time to move on.

If he goes to Calgary to be closer to home we should send him a welcome basket consisting of his ole favorites in Brown, King, Greene and the rights to Lewis.

That's the least we can do for the poor guy who will miss the beaches and warm weather if he goes.


I will take back any young pup he will not want to play

In all fairness I am really wondering what he knows to hold him off of signing now

 

[Docgonzo]

Since I've been reading rumors about Strome from NYI, could be all just be BS, but wonder how he'd look on our 3rd line and what it'd take to get him.

 

[yankeeking]

I love what Sutter has brought us but it may be time to move on.

If he goes to Calgary to be closer to home we should send him a welcome basket consisting of his ole favorites in Brown, King, Greene and the rights to Lewis.

That's the least we can do for the poor guy who will miss the beaches and warm weather if he goes.


I will take back any young pup he will not want to play

In all fairness I am really wondering what he knows to hold him off of signing now

If he goes I will definitely miss Chris he lite the place up every game

 

[Quattro]

BLOW IT UP!!!!




EDIT: Now that I think about it, they just need to find a way of signing Schenn and they're right back fighting for the division title!

 

[KingsFan7824]

Agreed, the Kings are in position to contend if the GM brings in the right pieces and the coach plays them. The last couple of years there has been way too much loyalty from both Dean and Darryl and that has hurt the Kings. This is a business and the players need to be treated like expendable assets so the Kings can move deeper in the playoffs. Everybody was going insane losing Williams, Mr Game 7 who isn't playing in any Game 7's. Barely heard a peep from Stoll. Richards looks like a totally different hockey player than the one who played for Philly, I've honestly never seen an NHL player always stumbling and falling as much as Richard-again, a forgotten man. King fans will lose their minds when Brown is traded but it's time, he did his thing here, it will never be forgotten but now is now and it's time to move on. For as much as he's done for the Kings he is now holding them back. Greene should have been dealt years ago, as soon as you see the foot speed leave you gotta get away from the player. Sutter's loyalty to the vets might be worse. It's either time to adapt or move on. You cannot keep playing slower vets simply because they are more predictable from a coach's stand point. They are just as predictable and slow to the opposition. There is youth and speed in Ontario, while they may be young and make mental mistakes the foot speed is there and they need NHL minutes.

Not sure people will lose their minds at this point, but it's more if, not when. It's not like his contract, stats, and play are a secret. He has to be one of the toughest players to trade in the league, and is going to cost the Kings something somewhere.

In all fairness I am really wondering what he knows to hold him off of signing now

Again, I'm not really sure it's a secret or anything. We all see the holes on the roster, and he's got more than a front row seat to it.

 

[kingsfan28]

Not sure people will lose their minds at this point, but it's more if, not when. It's not like his contract, stats, and play are a secret. He has to be one of the toughest players to trade in the league, and is going to cost the Kings something somewhere.



Again, I'm not really sure it's a secret or anything. We all see the holes on the roster, and he's got more than a front row seat to it.

If a team found a way to move Clarkeson, Phaneuf and a few others, Brown can be moved. If they do decide to do it, I really don't see them doing it until they figure out who's going to coach the team or they may just wait to see what happens in the expansion draft.

 

[Omni Owl]

We should be going after Backes instead of re-signing Lucic.

 

[Herby]

The problem with the Kings defense is the lack of any middle of the road defensive guys.

The top 3 is fine with Doughty being all world and Muzzin and AMart being really solid puck moving guys, then there is a Grand Canyon sized divide to guys like Scuderi, Schenn, McNabb, Forbort, McBain etc.

This team desperately needs a 2012 Willie Mitchell

 

[kingsfan28]

We should be going after Backes instead of re-signing Lucic.

He's gonna want to be paid more than Lucic. Start at 7 mil.

 

[Kingsfan1]

The problem with the Kings defense is the lack of any middle of the road defensive guys.

The top 3 is fine with Doughty being all world and Muzzin and AMart being really solid puck moving guys, then there is a Grand Canyon sized divide to guys like Scuderi, Schenn, McNabb, Forbort, McBain etc.

This team desperately needs a 2012 Willie Mitchell

Say No More , Kevin Gravel is your man. He would be much better suited alongside Doughty rather than Mcnabb and Scuderi. Martinez is movable. If we are able to dump Greene and trade Martinez + King for a top 4 RHD than top 4 will be Gravel-Doughty , Muzzin-Trade which puts us in a great position in which we can sign a ufa and have Mcnabb and the ufa and Forbort rotate the bottom pairing. This will also allow us enough room to bring back Lucic and replace King with Mersch. Walla we are contenders again. Leaves only 1 hole which is 3C and we can either trust Dowd or Shore with the roll or maybe have enough room for a ufa.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Some of you make it sound like there's a readily available and affordable top 4 dman that the Kings can pluck away for spares.

Do you realize how many teams covet a top 4 right handed dman and have more valuable assets to move? Look at Edmonton for example.

Let's be realistic, the Kings don't have what it takes to pull off such a trade and they won't be moving another 1st round pick.

 

[KingsOfCali25]

Some of you make it sound like there's a readily available and affordable top 4 dman that the Kings can pluck away for spares.

Do you realize how many teams covet a top 4 right handed dman and have more valuable assets to move? Look at Edmonton for example.

Let's be realistic, the Kings don't have what it takes to pull off such a trade and they won't be moving another 1st round pick.

Depending on what happens in the playoffs...Nashville might have one to trade. They are loaded on defense and have to lose a good one once the expansion draft comes along.

 

[Kingsfan1]

Some of you make it sound like there's a readily available and affordable top 4 dman that the Kings can pluck away for spares.

Do you realize how many teams covet a top 4 right handed dman and have more valuable assets to move? Look at Edmonton for example.

Let's be realistic, the Kings don't have what it takes to pull off such a trade and they won't be moving another 1st round pick.

Yes many teams covet top 4 dmen but not every team is advised that the said defenseman is available. Many variables go into it. Look how many trades have happened that im sure other teams would have beaten the offer. Maybe they dont want to trade within division or conference . Maybe some western teams dont have what intrigues them. I am pretty sure Martinez who many here claim is a top 4 dman is a valuable asset and im positive intriguing to many to see how his offensive numbers will be in a more open system. He is also just entering his prime. King is a 3rd liner good for 15 goals and 30 points , uses his body well and has good possession numbers. + a prospect im sure is more than enough. We can give defensive prospects because we have so many. I see Ladue, Cernak, Gravel not available but the others can be added as an incentive .

Martinez
King
Prospect OR 2nd round pick in 17.
Or Prospect AND 4th round pick in 17

Should be enough to get a Trouba or someone else we cant even think of is available. Then we sign a Demers or Miller or something along those lines. Very doable. Dean and Sutter have to know many players are replaceable like Chicago has done but you keep your core and main players intact like Chicago has and replace the others and keep going for it. King and Clifford and Scuderi and bla blah blah should have been replaced from within or traded away for picks and we sign other options via Ufa.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Not sure people will lose their minds at this point, but it's more if, not when. It's not like his contract, stats, and play are a secret. He has to be one of the toughest players to trade in the league, and is going to cost the Kings something somewhere.
.

I won't lose my mind, that's for sure, but I'll be super bummed to see him go, dipping performance and all. He's the heart-and-soul guy we all wanted after Deadmarsh, and left everything on the ice for a decade. I wish there a way we could keep him that didn't cripple the team. But man, the way some people are ready to throw him in the trash heap...

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Yes many teams covet top 4 dmen but not every team is advised that the said defenseman is available. Many variables go into it. Look how many trades have happened that im sure other teams would have beaten the offer. Maybe they dont want to trade within division or conference . Maybe some western teams dont have what intrigues them. I am pretty sure Martinez who many here claim is a top 4 dman is a valuable asset and im positive intriguing to many to see how his offensive numbers will be in a more open system. He is also just entering his prime. King is a 3rd liner good for 15 goals and 30 points , uses his body well and has good possession numbers. + a prospect im sure is more than enough. We can give defensive prospects because we have so many. I see Ladue, Cernak, Gravel not available but the others can be added as an incentive .

Martinez
King
Prospect OR 2nd round pick in 17.
Or Prospect AND 4th round pick in 17

Should be enough to get a Trouba or someone else we cant even think of is available. Then we sign a Demers or Miller or something along those lines. Very doable. Dean and Sutter have to know many players are replaceable like Chicago has done but you keep your core and main players intact like Chicago has and replace the others and keep going for it. King and Clifford and Scuderi and bla blah blah should have been replaced from within or traded away for picks and we sign other options via Ufa.

That's not going to land a Trouba. And let's assume he's not available, who are your other options? I'm sure you are going to struggle to come up with names because there hardly are any options available.

Depending on what happens in the playoffs...Nashville might have one to trade. They are loaded on defense and have to lose a good one once the expansion draft comes along.

The expansion draft won't be a thing until next year. I don't think Nashville is going to panic and trade a defenseman for something that isn't even set in stone quite yet and they could opt to keep their top 4 of Weber, Josi, Ellis and Ekholm. They are in no bind to move any defenseman.

 

[HookKing]

I still see people still want to move Martinez. Ain't happening. When he went down the kings had exactly 1 puck mover in the lineup. You can't count McBain because he barely plays. Muzzin is great but he isn't a puck mover.

Since DL is letting DS stall I would think that means if he doesn't stay a current assistant will take over.

 

[KingsOfCali25]

The expansion draft won't be a thing until next year. I don't think Nashville is going to panic and trade a defenseman for something that isn't even set in stone quite yet and they could opt to keep their top 4 of Weber, Josi, Ellis and Ekholm. They are in no bind to move any defenseman.

Just saying that there are teams that will need to move a defenseman before the expansion draft. (Nashville, Minnesota, Winnipeg, St. Louis, Philadelphia). Teams will want to know what the have before they need to protect someone randomly. You don't just go into it blind without knowledge of what you'll have.

 

[ScoreZeGoals]

Trading away Martinez doesn't fix anything.
The Kings have traded away almost every expendable asset worthy of returning the type of defenseman the Kings need.
There is nothing but crap available through free agency.
The Kings cap sucks.
I expect a lot of disappointment around here this summer.

 

[Trolfoli]

That's not going to land a Trouba. And let's assume he's not available, who are your other options? I'm sure you are going to struggle to come up with names because there hardly are any options available.

It looks like Trouba (they want a LHD), Barrie (They're crazy, who knows).

Burns/Shattenkirk UFA next year, but probably a long shot they make UFA and then a long shot they sign with the Kings. Outside of that you're looking at prospects. there aren't a lot of high end RHD prospects up for sale.

You could take a look at FLD, who seem to have 4 RHD for next season, are loosing Mitchell to retirement and have Soupy on the left to resign. They probably need a LHD and scoring. Ekblad isn't happening, so that leaves Gudbranson or Petrovic. The question then is how much of an upgrade over Schenn are they? What is the cost?

Could also aim for Martinez/Yandle on the left, then bring in a shutdown guy on the right. Then hope LaDue can be the second PP guy on the right side in a couple of years.

Trading away Martinez doesn't fix anything.
The Kings have traded away almost every expendable asset worthy of returning the type of defenseman the Kings need.
There is noting but crap available through free agency.
The Kings cap sucks.
I expect a lot of disappointment around here this summer.

Trading Martinez doesn't fix anything. Right now the kings have
Muzzin/Doughty
Martinez/????

There is a lot more availble for the LHD market. If they switched
Muzzin/Doughty
?????/Barrie (example)
it makes filling the LHD lots easier in the future. So solving the issue, no. Getting to a point where it makes the problem easier to solve while moving laterally or improving slightly. Yes. Sometimes you have to use an indirect method to solve a problem.

-Edm is hunting for RHD too. They have more assets the the Kings, but it sounds like they want to use Hall/Eberle/Yak. The Kings have Martinez they could swap. Also Toffoli, 30 goals, cup, playoff experience may be up there in demand with any of the Oilers wings. So it wouldn't be a great idea to get in a pissing contest with assets, but I think the Kings can compete.

-Disappointment this summer: I could see that. Either they find a great trade for not a crazy amount or they continue with Muzzin/Martinez pair and look for a replacement on the top pair. Also a good chance they look at resigning Schenn if no one is brought in. He's not the greatest, but he's serviceable as a #4, and who cares if he gets taken in the expansion? I'd probably say Schenn is the most likely option right now. Is that disappointing?

 

[ScoreZeGoals]

Schenn being brought back as the #4 wouldn't be a disappointment, it would be a ****ing disaster