GDT: Offseason GDT II

[mattgkg]

yandle is not a RHD. why does he even get brought up.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

yandle is not a RHD. why does he even get brought up.

History--DL loves him. He's a UFA that will likely want to go to a contender where he can play a major role. Check and check.

I agree though. I'm not high on him.

 

[mattgkg]

History--DL loves him. He's a UFA that will likely want to go to a contender where he can play a major role. Check and check.

I agree though. I'm not high on him.

put muzzin and doughty back together and have a real top pairing so they can stop having to carry on two lines to get martinez in the top 6.

love 27. thanks for the clinching goals... but he's the contract that has to go from the d in a pure upgrade picture on what he will get in return.

better hope ladue/lintuniemi have mega off seasons and can step into a 2RD spot keeping 27 as 2LD because whatever you'd move him for would be lateral at best. garbage year to be a buyer.

DL screwed the dog good going for sekera over petry. f-you voynov.

 

[AlphaBravo]

You're great idea is letting Lucic walk, signing Yandle and running Muzzin/Doughty Yandle/Martinez?

Problem 1: Sutter is not going to run a Yandle/Martinez pair. (I doubt Sutter will put Martinez on the top pair either.)
Problem 2: Expansion draft. You are now protecting 3 of Doughty/Muzzin/Yandle/Martinez. (Kings need to add assets, not lose them for nothing.)
Problem 3: Let Lucic who is productive and wants to play in LA walk for nothing when the Kings need to add assets.

Yak is a gamble. Pearson is currently the better player. Yak if he can figure it out has much more skill. Kings are at a point where they need to pull things out of their *****. Putting Yak in a structured system could really pay off. Plus Sutter would get an ulcer coaching Yak. Not to mention the Kings have a ton of wings coming. Besides Sutter doesn't even play Pearson in the top 6 regularly.


The more I crunch the numbers it looks like move Toffoli/Martinez for cap reasons. Toffoli is a 30 goal scorer (on the Kings) and has a cup. Martinez has 2 cups. The Kings should be able to get some good assets back. Also moving Toffoli solves that inevitable 5-7M contract he'll sign.

They could move Brown, but that would probably cost assets instead of returning them.

-Need number 1: Solid RHD for the second pairing. There are not a lot of these players out there. There are fewer for trade. This is the hardest position to fill so it's the first as far as importance goes. The Kings are also competing with EDM for RHD, who will be dangling Hall/Eberle. This is why I threw out Toffoli for Barrie.

-Not being able to fill that offensive RHD: Sign Yandle, and a defensive RHD. Now keep in mind with Muzzin/Doughty, Yandle/???? the expansion draft, not to mention the cap. The Kings may have to sign someone like Schenn to fill that spot initially. It may take more then 1 year to fix the top 4. Kings don't have the cap space and the expansion is coming.

There's going to be some youth on the team next year to make the cap work. It would suck losing Toffoli and Martinez, but the Kings need to add assets, with no first this year and tanking's not really an option. The only way to do this is through UFA, which means the Kings have to move salary out, and trading players not named Clifford/King/Nolan/McNabb because mid to late round picks don't help and neither does saving less then 1M per player when you factor in their replacement.

We don't have to protect Yandle for the expansion draft, he can just walk. He will be a ufa signing with no assets lost. In fact letting him walk won't be bad since he is ageing and we can get his cap off the books. Next, Sutter has played Martinez on the second pairing the entire season and he can play both sides, that's not really an issue. Also, while I like Lucic, I don't feel comfortable paying a power forward $6 million for 7 or 8 years. Unlike skilled forwards who don't lose their scoring touch suddenly, like Gabo, power forwards can suddenly drop off the map. On top of his poor playoff performance I would rather sign Yandle and if possible Versteeg for cheap. Moreover, wingers are a dime a dozen. I would rather start the season with four solid defenders than three really good defenders and crap bottom three. Lastly, I still don't get your preference for Yak. Pearson is a known commodity, fast skater, has a scoring touch, plays great with Carter, and is signed dirt cheap for time being. Why would you swap a Stanley cup champ who plays great imo for someone that is being run out of a poor franchise with a horrible development system?

 

[WHOneedsSOX]

You're great idea is letting Lucic walk, signing Yandle and running Muzzin/Doughty Yandle/Martinez?

Problem 1: Sutter is not going to run a Yandle/Martinez pair. (I doubt Sutter will put Martinez on the top pair either.)
Problem 2: Expansion draft. You are now protecting 3 of Doughty/Muzzin/Yandle/Martinez. (Kings need to add assets, not lose them for nothing.)
Problem 3: Let Lucic who is productive and wants to play in LA walk for nothing when the Kings need to add assets.

Yak is a gamble. Pearson is currently the better player. Yak if he can figure it out has much more skill. Kings are at a point where they need to pull things out of their *****. Putting Yak in a structured system could really pay off. Plus Sutter would get an ulcer coaching Yak. Not to mention the Kings have a ton of wings coming. Besides Sutter doesn't even play Pearson in the top 6 regularly.


The more I crunch the numbers it looks like move Toffoli/Martinez for cap reasons. Toffoli is a 30 goal scorer (on the Kings) and has a cup. Martinez has 2 cups. The Kings should be able to get some good assets back. Also moving Toffoli solves that inevitable 5-7M contract he'll sign.

They could move Brown, but that would probably cost assets instead of returning them.

-Need number 1: Solid RHD for the second pairing. There are not a lot of these players out there. There are fewer for trade. This is the hardest position to fill so it's the first as far as importance goes. The Kings are also competing with EDM for RHD, who will be dangling Hall/Eberle. This is why I threw out Toffoli for Barrie.

-Not being able to fill that offensive RHD: Sign Yandle, and a defensive RHD. Now keep in mind with Muzzin/Doughty, Yandle/???? the expansion draft, not to mention the cap. The Kings may have to sign someone like Schenn to fill that spot initially. It may take more then 1 year to fix the top 4. Kings don't have the cap space and the expansion is coming.

There's going to be some youth on the team next year to make the cap work. It would suck losing Toffoli and Martinez, but the Kings need to add assets, with no first this year and tanking's not really an option. The only way to do this is through UFA, which means the Kings have to move salary out, and trading players not named Clifford/King/Nolan/McNabb because mid to late round picks don't help and neither does saving less then 1M per player when you factor in their replacement.

Could always go the other route for an expansion draft and protect 8 players & 1 goalie. Kopitar, Carter, Toffoli, Pearson, Doughty, Muzzin, Martinez, Yandle, Quick. Unless Kempe really explodes, not sure if he'd get taken. Lucic? Who cares, let them take his bad contract. Same with Gaborik and Brown. King? Lewis? Dowd? Shore? Andreoff? Nolan? They really want them? I doubt it.

 

[Trolfoli]

yandle is not a RHD. why does he even get brought up.

In the event of not being able to land one of the few higher end RHD, a shutdown RHD and Yandle would be better then nothing. Yandle has flaws. At some point though you reach the, as good as it gets stage. If that's all that's out there, that's all there is.

We don't have to protect Yandle for the expansion draft, he can just walk. He will be a ufa signing with no assets lost. In fact letting him walk won't be bad since he is ageing and we can get his cap off the books. Next, Sutter has played Martinez on the second pairing the entire season and he can play both sides, that's not really an issue. Also, while I like Lucic, I don't feel comfortable paying a power forward $6 million for 7 or 8 years. Unlike skilled forwards who don't lose their scoring touch suddenly, like Gabo, power forwards can suddenly drop off the map. On top of his poor playoff performance I would rather sign Yandle and if possible Versteeg for cheap. Moreover, wingers are a dime a dozen. I would rather start the season with four solid defenders than three really good defenders and crap bottom three. Lastly, I still don't get your preference for Yak. Pearson is a known commodity, fast skater, has a scoring touch, plays great with Carter, and is signed dirt cheap for time being. Why would you swap a Stanley cup champ who plays great imo for someone that is being run out of a poor franchise with a horrible development system?

-Not protecting Yandle. The high end UFA's will have a limited NTC for the first couple of years to avoid the expansion draft.

-Yandle/Martinez is a pairing Sutter won't touch. It isn't about Martinez being on the 2nd pair. It doesn't fit Sutter's idea of how the D should look. That pair would be doing way too much back checking instead of skating backwards.

-Lucic: Is Kings hockey. What he's going to turn into Brown? Who cares? We already have Brown and are probably screwed. Also on Lucic, look at the LW's who are around 230 pounds.... Lucic is right at the top of that list. King isn't far down it. The Kings are going to have the ability to put a 230'er on almost every line next year. It happened for a couple of games last year when Mersch was up. Teams really were having trouble dealing with it. I want to see this. So his contract sucks in 4-5 years. This team is going to really suck in 4-5 years anyways.

-Lucic "sucked" in the playoffs. He had a nice pass to Kopitar for an assist!... that was like 1 of 5 goals or something. His game is about grinding it out in the offensive zone. The Kings did not have the defense to support that type of play. Kings weren't playing Kings hockey.

-Pearson vs Yak. Pearson is a good player. However the Kings have 5 million LW's coming. Pearson can play the right wing. In the event of Toffoli being traded, Yak probably has the better chance of filling Toffoli's role then Pearson. It's a gamble and mostly thrown in for fun. Reclamation projects are about the only way the Kings have of getting someone with Yak's potential. Maybe they can create a useful player out of him. It's probably worth Pearson that is at a spot where there's a log jam coming. (LW) (Yeah I think Yak's left handed too. )

The players that can be moved are Muzzin(4), Martinez(4), Toffoli(3.25?), Pearson(1.4). Cap wise they'll probably need to move 2 of 3 of Muzzin,Martinez,Toffoli. Pearson can be replaced by other guys on the wing as well. He should get a nice asset. It sucks, just be happy we have Brown.

Could always go the other route for an expansion draft and protect 8 players & 1 goalie. Kopitar, Carter, Toffoli, Pearson, Doughty, Muzzin, Martinez, Yandle, Quick. Unless Kempe really explodes, not sure if he'd get taken. Lucic? Who cares, let them take his bad contract. Same with Gaborik and Brown. King? Lewis? Dowd? Shore? Andreoff? Nolan? They really want them? I doubt it.

Solid strategy to sign guys to bad contracts to avoid teams taking them. I don't see them risking losing Kempe/Mersch, other guys, when it's probably going to take more then 1 year to get the D straightened out. Next year throw in Gravel/Forbort and see what they got. If the team is looking good, maybe bring in a top 4 UFA D at the deadline. Then hopefully with the cap space the next year that guy can be extended.

The team needs prospects (Muzzin/Martinez/Toffoli on they 1M contracts.) to come up to make the next push. They don't have time to draft these players. They must sell off assets to do it. They have 4 assets they can move for a return. Tanking isn't really an option. Kopitar/Doughty/Quick will keep the team from getting bottom 5. Sitting around and waiting isn't going to work. Kings just don't have enough coming. Maybe Kempe comes up and does well. Maybe one of Gravel/Forbort look like a 2nd pairing guy!!! I don't think there's enough on the farm to put this team over the top. So back to move some guys for assets, bring in a UFA or 2 with the cap space. Hope the assets are enough. I just don't see any other way forward.

Toffoli needs to be traded anyways. He makes everyone look bad and destroys the "You can't produce on the Kings" everyone likes to push to justify guys like Lewis/Brown.

I might have to change my handle... ****!

 

[KingsFan7824]

yandle is not a RHD. why does he even get brought up.

Boyle
Schenn
Demers
Gilbert
Polak
Y. Weber
Zidlicky
Gryba
Lovejoy
K.Miller
Guenin
Redmond
McBain

 

[YP44]

So trade Toffoli for Barrie. Move Martinez for a 1st from one of the Flames/Buffalo/MTL. They all need LHD and none in the draft are ready this year. Martinez's value might not quite be there, but he's a top 4D ready to go this year. For a team looking for immediate impact you might be able to pull it off.

Run ????/Doughty, Muzzin/Barrie. Kings have plenty of LHD to possibly fill out over the next couple of years + the pick from Martinez. If Sutter is back that ???? is Scuderi anyways.

Trouba would be another possibility, but would probably cost Muzzin.

Gamble on filling the 3C with Kempe/Amadio... if those don't work UFA/trade.

Move Pearson for Yak. This is a gamble, but I'm on a roll!

Resign Steeger if there's any cap left.

Issue is the rumor is that Barrie want over $6M/year..how does LA fit that in even with moving out A-Mart (not to mention the avalanch would be too weak on D to make that deal)? In order to fit in Barrie no chance of re-signing lucic. So you would be giving up Lucic, Toffoli, and Pearson up front and bringing in Yak. You would be giving up Martinez on the back end but bringing in Barrie. I know I am ignoring the 1st but that's because I don't see Martinez bringing in a top 10 pick.

I like Barrie, but it just is not feasible IMO

 

[Basilisk]

yandle is not a RHD. why does he even get brought up.

Because in the NHL, for some strange reason, there are not enough RHDs to go around. Therefore, you have to go after the best LHD available and hope that the guy can play the right side.....

 

[Basilisk]

Does "Yak" = "Yakupov"...???

 

[Omni Owl]

Yup, who I'd want nowhere near this team.

 

[Fishhead]

Boyle
Schenn
Demers
Gilbert
Polak
Y. Weber
Zidlicky
Gryba
Lovejoy
K.Miller
Guenin
Redmond
McBain

'Nuff said. Terrible.

I would be fine with signing Yandle and leaving him unprotected. I doubt anyone would give him a NMC to avoid expansion, but you never know. I think it's going to have somewhat of an effect on FA signings over the next year.

But if it's only a one team expansion and Yandle gets taken, how the hell do we get rid of Brown on the cheap?

 

[mattgkg]

Because in the NHL, for some strange reason, there are not enough RHDs to go around. Therefore, you have to go after the best LHD available and hope that the guy can play the right side.....

selling the car to get gas money...

 

[YP44]

Yup, who I'd want nowhere near this team.

if the cost was very very reasonable I would not say no. However he fills no known need this club has, and definitely would not be someone I would target

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

We can officially put any Hamonic trade proposals to bed now that he's rescinded his trade request.

 

[Seventyx7]

Toffoli for Trouba/Barrie. It's the only thing that makes sense.

-No good RHD on FA market.
-Too much $$ allocated to wingers (Brown not movable, Gaborik reasonable cap hit, Lucic resigning, TT due for big payday).
-Love TT, but it's the only way to get back to Kings identity of strong defense first.

If we are going to be thin somewhere, should be on wing and not D.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

So, who the replaces Toffoli's team leading goal scoring?

Some of these suggestions are giving me flashbacks of the stupid decisions the organization would make in eras past.

 

[The Tikkanen]

So, who the replaces Toffoli's team leading goal scoring?

Some of these suggestions are giving me flashbacks of the stupid decisions the organization would make in eras past.

Is Erik Rasmussen available? Trent Klatt?

 

[WHOneedsSOX]

Toffoli for Trouba/Barrie. It's the only thing that makes sense.

-No good RHD on FA market.
-Too much $$ allocated to wingers (Brown not movable, Gaborik reasonable cap hit, Lucic resigning, TT due for big payday).
-Love TT, but it's the only way to get back to Kings identity of strong defense first.

If we are going to be thin somewhere, should be on wing and not D.

Who's going to play RW for the Kings then? Gaborik and Brown? Then when Gaborik gets hurt Brown and Lewis? That'll be a combined 15 goals between Brown and Lewis if we're lucky.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Is Erik Rasmussen available? Trent Klatt?

Don't forget about Derek Armstrong as a top six forward. About time the team returned to those glory years. I think Jason LaBarbera will be available too.

 

[Seventyx7]

Who's going to play RW for the Kings then? Gaborik and Brown? Then when Gaborik gets hurt Brown and Lewis? That'll be a combined 15 goals between Brown and Lewis if we're lucky.

So we're going to give 6x6 to Lucic, 7x7 to TT, then have ~$24M wrapped up in four wingers. How do we get a defensemen? In 2012, we had Brown and JW, Carter and Penner as top 6 wingers and did just fine.

 

[Seventyx7]

So we're going to give 6x6 to Lucic, 7x7 to TT, then have ~$24M wrapped up in four wingers. How do we get a defensemen? In 2012, we had Brown and JW, Carter and Penner as top 6 wingers and did just fine.

Lucic, Brown, Gaborik, Kempe/Mersch/King as top 6 wingers won't be the strength of our team at all, but it will be more than adequate when we get back to our strength on the back end and down the middle.

 

[Seventyx7]

So, who the replaces Toffoli's team leading goal scoring?

Some of these suggestions are giving me flashbacks of the stupid decisions the organization would make in eras past.

Everyone loves Toffoli, including me. But we've gotten spoiled being stacked everywhere, now the tough decisions need to be made. I'd rather have the team weakness be on wing than having Schenn/Scuderi/Mcnabb get exposed again.

Best case would be letting Lucic walk and keeping TT (and somehow finding a miracle RHD somewhere else), but we all know DL isn't letting Lucic walk.

I don't think CHI was excited to let Saad go but this is the price of winning cups and retooling on the fly to keep the window open.

 

[YP44]

So we're going to give 6x6 to Lucic, 7x7 to TT, then have ~$24M wrapped up in four wingers. How do we get a defensemen? In 2012, we had Brown and JW, Carter and Penner as top 6 wingers and did just fine.

2012 Brown, Williams and Carter were studs. Penner was a stud in the playoffs.

I am ok with trading TT for a young RHD, however he needs to be cost controlled IMO. So Trouba and Barrie make no sense. They will command too much $$

 

[TheBannermen]

Only 28 players hit 30 goals this year and we want to trade one that plays on a system based on low quality shots and second chance opportunities? Do you guys realize how difficult it is to score 30 goals while wearing black and silver? If you trade Toffoli for a defenseman and our D gets back on track, guess what? Now Dean has to make a move for more offense much like he did with Carter and Gaborik. It's rinse and repeat. Yes, Dean preaches building from the net out, but selling off a 23 year old, 30 goal scorer is about the dumbest decision the Kings can make right now, and it gives me PTSD flashbacks of Nick Beverly and Sam McMaster.