GDT: Offseason GDT II

[Johnny Utah]

Lucic is a year younger and has a 30 goal season to his credit.

Was it last year that Okposo went a long stretch without scoring a goal.

Lucic contributes with his hitting, willingness to stand up for his team mates...Okposo is kinda one dimensional. He has the size to play harder, but he doesn't.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

I'd much prefer Lucic over Okposo as well.

 

[TruKingFan]

I'd much prefer Lucic over Okposo as well.

All day long including Sundays.

 

[YP44]

Much rather overpay Okposo long term than Lucic.

can you explain why?

 

[BallPointHammer]

Possible Brown Solution

An outright buy-out of Brown is too expensive in cap years and dollars.

A straight up trade is way too expensive in the necessary required incentives for the other team.

How about a trade with salary retension?

Kings cost of first 6 years of an outright buy-out = $13,583,330 ($680,555/$1,180,555/$2,180,555/$2,180,555/$3,680,555/$3,680,555)

Kings cost of 35% retension for 6 years = $12,337,500 ($2,056,250 per year)
Other team's 65% for 6 years = $22,912,500 ($3,818,750 per year)

Kings net savings between retension and buy-out = $1,245,830
Per year 1 through year 6 = -$1.375695/-$875,695 increase in "dead money" and $124,305/$124,305/$1,624,305/$1,624,305 decrease in "dead money"

THE TRADE

Kings: By retaining cap money over the remaining 6 years of Brown's contract a net savings of $1,245,830 in"dead money" and ???
Other team: Brown for 6 seasons at $3,818,750 cap hit per year and ???

I think in general the boards underestimate the value some teams would put on acquiring Brown. The ??? need to be filled in, but I think this basic plan could work for both teams. Of course the 35% could change somewhat.

 

[Peter James Bond II]

THE TRADE

Kings: By retaining cap money over the remaining 6 years of Brown's contract a net savings of $1,245,830 in"dead money" and ???
Other team: Brown for 6 seasons at $3,818,750 cap hit per year and ???

I think in general the boards underestimate the value some teams would put on acquiring Brown. The ??? need to be filled in, but I think this basic plan could work for both teams. Of course the 35% could change somewhat.

'BI' Brown Inc. : him, his wife and 8 kids will not allow to be traded to most anywhere. Doesn't BI have a no movement clause of some type?

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Brown has a limited no trade clause according to General Fanager.

http://www.generalfanager.com/players/959

 

[WHOneedsSOX]

'BI' Brown Inc. : him, his wife and 8 kids will not allow to be traded to most anywhere. Doesn't BI have a no movement clause of some type?

Custance mentioned today it restricts a trade to the Canadian teams although he's the first person I've seen say that.

 

[Trolfoli]

Custance mentioned today it restricts a trade to the Canadian teams although he's the first person I've seen say that.

I believe it's an 7-8 team list.

Van/Cal/Edm/Wpg/Ott/MTL/TO/Buff

Okay... I'm trying to give Buffalo to Canada.

My prediction is that Brown will be in the top6 to start next season. It's going to be a development year. Might as well see if he rebounds.

A trade retaining 1.8M or so sounds about right.. but the Kings would need to be in a place where they're competing to do something like that. Too many holes currently..

 

[WHOneedsSOX]

I believe it's an 7-8 team list.

Van/Cal/Edm/Wpg/Ott/MTL/TO/Buff

Okay... I'm trying to give Buffalo to Canada.

My prediction is that Brown will be in the top6 to start next season. It's going to be a development year. Might as well see if he rebounds.

A trade retaining 1.8M or so sounds about right.. but the Kings would need to be in a place where they're competing to do something like that. Too many holes currently..

An extra $4 million in cap space gives them wiggle room to fill those holes.

 

[KopitarFAN]

I believe it's an 7-8 team list.

Van/Cal/Edm/Wpg/Ott/MTL/TO/Buff

Okay... I'm trying to give Buffalo to Canada.

My prediction is that Brown will be in the top6 to start next season. It's going to be a development year. Might as well see if he rebounds.

A trade retaining 1.8M or so sounds about right.. but the Kings would need to be in a place where they're competing to do something like that. Too many holes currently..

I would think Buffalo would be one of the places he would be most willing to go, given the proximity to Ithaca.

 

[Trolfoli]

An extra $4 million in cap space gives them wiggle room to fill those holes.

Yes, but not all of them. Might as well wait it out... Cap will grow... Brown's contract won't look as bad... Just don't see Lombardi retaining salary to move the captain. It sure won't happen before the expansion teams have a chance to pass on him.

 

[Trolfoli]

I would think Buffalo would be one of the places he would be most willing to go, given the proximity to Ithaca.

They already have Moulson, what do they need with Brown. Hey maybe a Moulson for Brown trade? Who would have to add?

Moulson 5M, 3 more years, 8G 13A last year.

 

[Kingsfan1]

I would have really liked to hear more about Prokhorkin. The kid tried to come over at first so Dean should swallow his pride and try. I believe the kid can be our 3rd best player from the get go. If Panarin was any indication than Prokhorkin is pretty highly regarded as well. He can set us apart with some much needed skill. We have no players that dangle through players. I dont recall the last time ive seen a highlight reel goal of a player go through the entire team dangle through players feet and roof one top corner

 

[kingsfan28]

King - Kopitar - Kempe line

WTF? This guy has no business being on any line but the 4th.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

I would have really liked to hear more about Prokhorkin. The kid tried to come over at first so Dean should swallow his pride and try. I believe the kid can be our 3rd best player from the get go. If Panarin was any indication than Prokhorkin is pretty highly regarded as well. He can set us apart with some much needed skill. We have no players that dangle through players. I dont recall the last time ive seen a highlight reel goal of a player go through the entire team dangle through players feet and roof one top corner

You keep saying this; what proof do you have that they HAVEN'T tried?

If anything, the rumored EDM deal where it was hinging on him coming over suggests to me he has no plans to do so period (or wants to do it on his own terms).

 

[WHOneedsSOX]

Yes, but not all of them. Might as well wait it out... Cap will grow... Brown's contract won't look as bad... Just don't see Lombardi retaining salary to move the captain. It sure won't happen before the expansion teams have a chance to pass on him.

By then Brown will be at 966 games if he plays all 82 in 2016-17. Dean will keep Brown until he hits 1,000 at that point.

 

[kingsfan28]

You keep saying this; what proof do you have that they HAVEN'T tried?

If anything, the rumored EDM deal where it was hinging on him coming over suggests to me he has no plans to do so period (or wants to do it on his own terms).

He'll probably just play out his contract in Russia and do what Panarin did, pick whatever team he wants. He was a low risk pick to begin with.

 

[SettlementRichie10]

I don't see Dean retaining anything on a Brown deal. He'd give away assets before he takes on phantom cap space.

Then again, I said the same thing about Richards, so who knows.

 

[Kingsfan1]

You keep saying this; what proof do you have that they HAVEN'T tried?

If anything, the rumored EDM deal where it was hinging on him coming over suggests to me he has no plans to do so period (or wants to do it on his own terms).

Well with that there was 2 different stories one is what u mentioned and the other that Dean changed his mind about trading Prokhorkin.

If the rumors are true that he wants to be guaranteed a spot on the roster for him to come overseas i dont see the problem in doing so. If he works out great we have a new scoring threat on the roster if he doesnt workout in the NHL send him down to the AHL and he will leave again back to his homeland. It doesnt hurt to try. But if Dean has grown sour over Horkins because of the guaranteed situatiom than that is bad asset management for someone who is supposedly very highly skilled. I believe the latter because lets not forget Prokhorkin signed a NHL elc before Russia fought to keep him.

 

[Trolfoli]

Well with that there was 2 different stories one is what u mentioned and the other that Dean changed his mind about trading Prokhorkin.

If the rumors are true that he wants to be guaranteed a spot on the roster for him to come overseas i dont see the problem in doing so. If he works out great we have a new scoring threat on the roster if he doesnt workout in the NHL send him down to the AHL and he will leave again back to his homeland. It doesnt hurt to try. But if Dean has grown sour over Horkins because of the guaranteed situatiom than that is bad asset management for someone who is supposedly very highly skilled. I believe the latter because lets not forget Prokhorkin signed a NHL elc before Russia fought to keep him.

If he's not willing to put the time in to playing in the AHL learning the Kings system. Then he's not the type of player the Kings need.

Edit: I'd rather Shore get the ice time because he's worked really hard for it.

Edit:

By then Brown will be at 966 games if he plays all 82 in 2016-17. Dean will keep Brown until he hits 1,000 at that point.

Good point. Might as well keep Brown till he hits 1K.

 

[Kingsfan1]

If he's not willing to put the time in to playing in the AHL learning the Kings system. Then he's not the type of player the Kings need.

Edit: I'd rather Shore get the ice time because he's worked really hard for it.

Edit:


Good point. Might as well keep Brown till he hits 1K.

Because Panarin and Donskoi put in time in the AHL. Sometimes it doesnt hurt to try

 

[Kingspiracy]

An outright buy-out of Brown is too expensive in cap years and dollars.

A straight up trade is way too expensive in the necessary required incentives for the other team.

How about a trade with salary retension?

Kings cost of first 6 years of an outright buy-out = $13,583,330 ($680,555/$1,180,555/$2,180,555/$2,180,555/$3,680,555/$3,680,555)

Kings cost of 35% retension for 6 years = $12,337,500 ($2,056,250 per year)
Other team's 65% for 6 years = $22,912,500 ($3,818,750 per year)

Kings net savings between retension and buy-out = $1,245,830
Per year 1 through year 6 = -$1.375695/-$875,695 increase in "dead money" and $124,305/$124,305/$1,624,305/$1,624,305 decrease in "dead money"

THE TRADE

Kings: By retaining cap money over the remaining 6 years of Brown's contract a net savings of $1,245,830 in"dead money" and ???
Other team: Brown for 6 seasons at $3,818,750 cap hit per year and ???

I think in general the boards underestimate the value some teams would put on acquiring Brown. The ??? need to be filled in, but I think this basic plan could work for both teams. Of course the 35% could change somewhat.

Any recapture risk?

 

[Trolfoli]

Because Panarin and Donskoi put in time in the AHL. Sometimes it doesnt hurt to try

Comes down to character and how much they're willing to sacrifice in the playoffs. I don't have a lot of interest for someone who can't be bothered to play on the Kings minor league team.

If they're an European UFA then great! Free assets.

 

[Kingsfan1]

Comes down to character and how much they're willing to sacrifice in the playoffs. I don't have a lot of interest for someone who can't be bothered to play on the Kings minor league team.

If they're an European UFA then great! Free assets.

And Prokhorkin isnt a European asset we can have for free ? He is an addition anyway you swing it and a highly skilled one to boot.