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Kingsfan1 said:
And Prokhorkin isnt a European asset we can have for free ? He is an addition anyway you swing it and a highly skilled one to boot.
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Who is unwilling to work through the Kings development. That's all I need to know. All the skill in the world won't necessarily make him a good fit on the team.

Edit: How is his defensive game? Seems like the type of player that may over look that part of the game.
 
The vast majority of prospects don't make the NHL. You guys need to accept this, you're batting 1000. if you get two roster players per draft year.

That's simply roster players, (think Nolan). The odds of you getting a Kopitar/Doughty, are slim to none unless you're picking top Five.

Situations like Prokhorkin happen a lot. Get used to it, don't marry yourself to prospects, move on.
 
KingCanadain1976 said:
He changes his mind a lot. I bet half his posts are edited by him after the fact. I recall him saying the same things about toffoli never making it
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Which I never said.

Back up claims like that with proof next time.

A quote at-least , I am sure you can manage that.
 
Omni Owl said:
Damacles thought Kempe was more skilled than Toffoli awhile back, guess he changed his mind. I'm still psyched that he'll be a very good player for us, at the very least improving our bottom 6. Still needs a bit of time in the AHL, but I'm sure he'll get a call up next year.
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I watch Kempe nightly in Ontario.

Kempe is (skilled), scoring touch like Toffoli ? No he doesn't have it. Could Kempe develop that ? Sure, will he ? I don't think so.
 
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The Tikkanen said:
You go back to the days of the LA Kings when guys like Aki Berg and Olli Jokinen were sold to fans as physical beasts and forced into the lineup because there was nobody else. Not only were the scouts wrong but some of the Kings top prospects were ruined because they were called up before they were ready and force fed minutes they didn't EARN. You want a call up? Score more than 11 goals in the AHL. How about having a "holy crap this kid is ready" season instead of a "he looks pretty good" season. And most of this speculation is based on a hole at #1 LW which can be filled at any time by Lombardi. I'd be shocked if the Kings went into a season with a hole at that vaunted #1 LW again. We all saw how much space Lucic opened up for Kopitar and his other various linemates. There is a formula there, a type of player needed there and there are free agents and guys available via trade who can and will fill that slot before a rook.
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This person remembers Dark days Kings hockey very well.

Bravo to you, excellent post.
 
damacles1156 said:
The vast majority of prospects don't make the NHL. You guys need to accept this, you're batting 1000. if you get two roster players per draft year.

That's simply roster players, (think Nolan). The odds of you getting a Kopitar/Doughty, are slim to none unless you're picking top Five.

Situations like Prokhorkin happen a lot. Get used to it, don't marry yourself to prospects, move on.
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Far too simplified an approach. If you gave a GM and his amateur scouting staff a mandate to simply leave the draft with two guys that will make the NHL roster, you end up with what the Kings have done from 2010 to today. Targeting lots of role players that fit a system. And look where that's left the organization's prospect depth. In fact, Lombardi spent half of his bizarre conference call with the press saying the Kings need to change what they're doing at the amateur scouting level. His statements tell me that he is in no way happy with "batting 1000" by getting any two future NHL roster players.

You don't stay a contender if you're patting yourself on the back by selecting Nick Shore and Andy Andreoff. Those are replacement level players and they're part of the problem. The scouts have to do better.
 
Thrice said:
Far too simplified an approach. If you gave a GM and his amateur scouting staff a mandate to simply leave the draft with two guys that will make the NHL roster, you end up with what the Kings have done from 2010 to today. Targeting lots of role players that fit a system. And look where that's left the organization's prospect depth. In fact, Lombardi spent half of his bizarre conference call with the press saying the Kings need to change what they're doing at the amateur scouting level. His statements tell me that he is in no way happy with "batting 1000" by getting any two future NHL roster players.

You don't stay a contender if you're patting yourself on the back by selecting Nick Shore and Andy Andreoff. Those are replacement level players and they're part of the problem. The scouts have to do better.
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The 2010-2014 have not produced sure fire roster players in the amount the Kings needed, we are seeing those effects.

Toffoli/Pearson (Impact) rest not even fringe I would say at this point.

That's a lot of drafts with holes in it.
 
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damacles1156 said:
You can search threads that are still part of the data base.

'll do the work for you. I am sure I can find a post of mine way back then.

I'll get one for you, since you are incapable of doing so.
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It is not that i am incapable I am just not bothering to try because the odds of finding the unedited version of any post you make is next to impossible. You edit stuff well so your tracks are covered No worries its all good I just pointing out that you act like the be all and end all source on prospects and you have been wrong in the past. I know your pride or w/e won't let you admit it so with that it's the last post i'm going to make. If you wish to continue this email would be fine with me.

and i have the reading issues lol
 
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KingCanadain1976 said:
It is not that i am incapable I am just not bothering to try because the odds of finding the unedited version of any post you make is next to impossible. You edit stuff well so your tracks are covered No worries its all good I just pointing out that you act like the be all and end all source on prospects and you have been wrong in the past. I know your pride or w/e won't let you admit it so with that its the last post im going to make. If you wish to continue this email would be fine with me.
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The edit's are time stamped.

It's simple man.

Admitted I am wrong plenty of times. Linden Vey /Shore/ McNabb ETC. Heck I thought Shore was the next better version of Jarret Stoll, (That's turning out to be a bust). I thought Hickey would remain a King, and Muzzin was a mistake (super wrong there) Memebers here will back me on that too, I was an ardent supporter of Hickey.

You simply don't read.
 
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KingCanadain1976 said:
hard to quote a edited post :) so why bother looking:help: i am impressed you have 6 posts in a row without a edit likely a record for you
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If that's the best you can do for a debate on a topic that has real meat in like this off-season.

I don't know what to say, Your contributions are lacking, I guess that's all I can.
 
Trolfoli said:
Who is unwilling to work through the Kings development. That's all I need to know. All the skill in the world won't necessarily make him a good fit on the team.

Edit: How is his defensive game? Seems like the type of player that may over look that part of the game.
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Not sure Porky even needs a 200ft game in Russia. He is used as a play maker and scoring forward.

At this point He is making very good money in Russia, probably will just wait out his RFA status and try the NHL at UFA time.
 
Johnny Utah said:
Lucic is a year younger and has a 30 goal season to his credit.

Was it last year that Okposo went a long stretch without scoring a goal.

Lucic contributes with his hitting, willingness to stand up for his team mates...Okposo is kinda one dimensional. He has the size to play harder, but he doesn't.
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I see the same in Okposo, the guy's compete level drops off too much.

The guy would be in Sutter's dog house, a lot.
 
Raccoon Jesus said:
You keep saying this; what proof do you have that they HAVEN'T tried?

If anything, the rumored EDM deal where it was hinging on him coming over suggests to me he has no plans to do so period (or wants to do it on his own terms).
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There is no proof.

The only thing people know, Is Porky is still in Russia and does not play for the LA Kings.

That is all that matters.
 
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SettlementRichie10 said:
I don't see Dean retaining anything on a Brown deal. He'd give away assets before he takes on phantom cap space.

Then again, I said the same thing about Richards, so who knows.
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Had to do something with Richards, the guy was not even an NHL player.

Brown can still play the NHL game.
 
Thrice said:
Far too simplified an approach. If you gave a GM and his amateur scouting staff a mandate to simply leave the draft with two guys that will make the NHL roster, you end up with what the Kings have done from 2010 to today. Targeting lots of role players that fit a system. And look where that's left the organization's prospect depth. In fact, Lombardi spent half of his bizarre conference call with the press saying the Kings need to change what they're doing at the amateur scouting level. His statements tell me that he is in no way happy with "batting 1000" by getting any two future NHL roster players.

You don't stay a contender if you're patting yourself on the back by selecting Nick Shore and Andy Andreoff. Those are replacement level players and they're part of the problem. The scouts have to do better.
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You can draft skill all day long and still end up with just 2 players. Every GM would love to hit on every pick they have, but it's unlikely to happen. Considering there are 30 teams drafting, every team should, in theory, have 7 picks, they're drafting mostly 18 year old players, and the further down in the draft you go, the less likely you are to get one of the top 690 hockey players that are in the NHL, 2 out of 7 is pretty good.

2 out of 7 would be the minimum in terms of success. 1 guy in a draft isn't very good, unless it's a McDavid type player. He'll cancel out some depth issues. I wouldn't say 2 of 7 is batting 1.000, but if you start getting to 3, or certainly 4 players from a single draft, that's exceptional.

If every team gets 2 out of 7, that's 60 players from a draft. You can go to an exceptional draft, like 2003, which had 9 rounds. The 60th player on the list in terms of games played in the NHL is Zack Stortini, with 257. That's barely 3 years in the league. Go to 1999, what everyone says is one of the worst drafts in NHL history, and the 60th player on the list is Nolan Yonkman, with a whole 76 NHL games under his belt. Some years you just don't get a good overall draft class. Other years, you completely crap out, like the Kings did in 2004.
 
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