so some are questioning if Kempe is ready to play in the NHL and you are ready to play him on the top line?
I think there is a good chance that will be LA's top 6 at some point..Just not next year.
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so some are questioning if Kempe is ready to play in the NHL and you are ready to play him on the top line?
I think there is a good chance that will be LA's top 6 at some point..Just not next year.
KingCanadain1976
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Well I disagree with the people questioning if hes ready. I like the idea of him playing with kopitar I think he would thrive there. Also i was going to put him on the 3rd line till he earned the top line mins however that would be a all rookie 3rd line that would never go. Consider kempe playing top line like everyone calling king playing 3rd this year. It looks like hes playing there but the mins will say that hes playing 3rd line.
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I just don't think he's quite ready for that. One more year and he likely could be. But he could grow even more over the summer and shock me. But most guys have to go through the adjustment of playing more games ect. I think that even hit Toffoli this year when he went into that giant slump.
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You want a kid that scored 11 goals in his 1st AHL season playing on the top line in LA next year?
Wow.
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His stats say-not gonna happen. Then add on Dean preferring to develop players slowly until they EARN a spot. And sprinkle on top Sutter's refusal to give young player minutes.
KingCanadain1976
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where did i say he would play top mins All i said is i would play him with Kopitar.I think he would get his minutes there but not play every shift that Kopitar plays. He would rotate there when he plays Its like everyone thinking King plays bottom six but he does not he plays more mins. Brown would get the extra shifts
As stated above plays with kopitar not every shift kopitar plays
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"There is something called club “cut” arbitration (section 12.3 of the CBA), where a team can ask for a player to receive up to a 15 per cent pay drop"
can DL ask Brown for that?
Friedman also talks about free agent D-man Jacob Graves. His is young and RHD...wonder if LA could get him. I would think he needs AHL development but would help the pipeline
"There is something called club “cut” arbitration (section 12.3 of the CBA), where a team can ask for a player to receive up to a 15 per cent pay drop"
can DL ask Brown for that?
Friedman also talks about free agent D-man Jacob Graves. His is young and RHD...wonder if LA could get him. I would think he needs AHL development but would help the pipeline
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Raccoon Jesus
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That's only for arbitration-eligible players, it's not renegotiating a current contract.
I liked the part about the Kings philosophy though and how much they're going to lean to integrating youth. When Friedman of all people mentions Gravel, I certainly listen.
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Kempe that was 55 games - 11 goals and 17 assists. He was playing through some injury too. He had 8 playoff goals last year and 4 this year. So he now has 81 games in the AHL (playoffs included) and
has 23 goals, 19 assists for 42 points. That's pretty good for a 19 year
old. Tanner Pearson had 19 goals in his first 64 games in the AHL, but he was 21 years old.
It's not just about numbers - Kempe may be the fastest player on the team now and has the size and skill to play and produce in the top 6
now. He plays better in tournaments and playoffs. His game rises when it's intense. Playing for the Kings may be the same for him - to
rise to the occasion and play beyond expectations, thrust onto a top 6 role. If he doesn't? No big deal. Send him back to Ontario. Just like they did with Toffoli, Pearson, Mersch. It will give him impetus to work hard and get back. But I think there's a good chance he could flourish and produce. Speed kills and the Kings lack there.
Everyone assumes it takes 2-3 years of development and it does not.
Doughty did great as an 18 year old, but made lots of errors and maybe he should have played another year of juniors. But he had the ability to do it.
Then there's Ladue. People here are saying he will need 2 years in the AHL and needs to put on 20 lbs of muscle. Kinda absurd.
Kings development said they would not trade Ladue for Mike Reilly, who signed with the Wild and he played 29 games with them this past
season. Not saying Ladue will play for the Kings this year, but may be here by next season.
I just had this discussion a few days ago with a friend. Kempe with Kopitar. It has to be looked at.
gotcha, was wondering why we do not hear of this more vs buyout...so when he references the canucks and raymond if was arbitration?
KingCanadain1976
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glad i am not the only one that thought of it
sorry to dissapoint you are not a visionary or the only one who has thought of that. Most see the writing on the wall and envision kempe and kopitar together, however I beleive a lot recognize next year maybe too soon
Raccoon Jesus
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Doughty broke in on a terrible Kings team that was years removed from a playoff impact.
King and Nolan replaced slugs like Hunter and Moreau.
Toffoli and Pearson bumped up and down before sticking when the spots opened and their abilities were ripe.
Very, VERY different stages of team development. I agree the youth needs a try, but to plug a green (yes, he is green, make no mistake) prospect in as 1LW isn't proper development unless he forces your hand somehow.
I'm as miffed as anyone that youngsters weren't worked in last year but I understand why--it was a contending team with limited room for growth "on-the-job." Now, we don't have that excuse, as DL says--and all indications are we're going to get a good dose next year.
Now, what that DOESNT mean is overreact and pencil Kempe in on the first line, mersch in on the 2nd, Dowd as 3C, shore as 4C, Gravel and Forbort as a 2nd pairing...these are all things I've seen around here in the last day or so. We still have good NHLers in most of those spots and if a guy earns it, great, but I'm not penciling 6 kids into top roles as that's setting them up for failure (paging Oscar Moller).
Edit: also Mike Reilly got called up due to injuries and had minimal impact. I'm not opposed to LaDue being a callup, but if he's on the roster 'just because,' we're in bad shape.
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Case in point, re: Kempe. He would play on most NHL teams this coming season...look at a Rickard Rackell. Scores a whopping 14 goals in the AHL and the Ducks promote him. Scores 9 goals 31 points his first yr and then 20 goals this year....in the Kings' system, he may have got 10 games in and then sent back to the AHL. He surely would not been in the Kings top 6 doing that. They don't give them a chance. Instead, the Ducks now have a 20 goal, 40+ point player producing at the age of 22.
Other teams promote players and give them more than 10 games to do something...and they are playoff teams and not just the Edmontons. I am not saying 'pencil Kempe in'...but tell him to work hard in the summer and that they see him as a top line player this year, come prepared and he will get some pre season games in a top 6 role. And it's up to him.
Other teams promote players and give them more than 10 games to do something...and they are playoff teams and not just the Edmontons. I am not saying 'pencil Kempe in'...but tell him to work hard in the summer and that they see him as a top line player this year, come prepared and he will get some pre season games in a top 6 role. And it's up to him.
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KingCanadain1976
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lol hate to disappoint you but i never once thought i was. I only said the comment to be happy that someone else agrees is all. I have the guts to state my opinion despite whatever anyone says and will continue to do so. Everyone has there own opinion and i don't knock anyone that disagrees only state what i think and if you have some issue with that I suggest blocking me or not quoting me Have a nice day
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You play men in the NHL, 200+ pound men....Who are stronger than you.
Kids develop in the AHL, especially Defenders, unless they are Drew Doughty, for a reason.
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Kings staff and Sutter are paid Millions of dollars to develop NHL talent properly. In the Dark days of Kings hockey there was no development, that's not the case with this Kings staff.
Id trust them for once.
I am starting to question if any of you even remember the dark days of Kings hockey....
What happens when you plug 40% of your roster with rookies ? You all know the answer to this question.
Id trust them for once.
I am starting to question if any of you even remember the dark days of Kings hockey....
What happens when you plug 40% of your roster with rookies ? You all know the answer to this question.
Raccoon Jesus
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Did you forget the part with Rakell where he played 4 games in his first callup, then 18 in 2014, before finally sticking with 71 games and a whopping 31 points in 2015? And that until this year when he demonstrated he could handle it, he was playing not in a top six role, but a bottom six role?
Rakell's most common linemates in 2015 were Cogliano, Silfverberg, Etem, and Sekac.
In other words, they worked him in slowly, and it took him portions of three years before he became a full-time scoring threat NHLer. Never was he ever penciled in for the top line, he earned it over years.
KingCanadain1976
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before this bash the idea of kempe on the top line gets out of hand I only said it is how i would do it. I have not allusion of it actually happening. I know i am in store for another season of seeing Dwight king playing in the top 6 I was only saying what i would like to see. I do trust sutter and dean more than most in here however i would go a different way and only stated my version of the kings.
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