GDT: Offseason game thread
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Raccoon Jesus
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Wait, Lombardi had a call at 1030 and a meeting at 11? That doesn't sound right, there's no way he makes his media avail only half an hour 
Raccoon Jesus
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Also goes on to mention he realizes there are 'structural' problems and they're going to have to make adjustments in how they do things...
Seems to suggest they want Sutter back but with some conditions? Could be him mulling over the details.
My guess is Sutter wants more control of the roster. That's the only divide I can think of, since Lombardi clearly wants him back and Sutter himself said he expects to be back. And if it isn't about money it's gotta be about Sutter wanting more say. Considering how awful he was as a GM in Calgary I would definitely be hesitant.
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TheBannermen
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AlphaBravo
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Or it could be something as simple as whether Sutter wants to go back to his farm.
lexlavender
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Sounds like he's in the middle of trying to figure a lot of things out. With the Salary Cap and long term contracts, everything just keeps getting harder. Poor Guy. I believe in DL still.
KingsFan7824
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I wouldn't put Stoll on that list. There was no contract going forward. It's not like he got caught in the 2nd year of a 5 year contract. Voynov, yes, that's screwed up the whole defense and cap. Richards? That's more on Lombardi thinking with his emotions. Obviously there's not much left to squeeze out of Richards. He's not really even doing all that much at $1m for the Caps. I'm not going to blame Lombardi for it, because I understood what he was thinking at the time. I was even for it to some degree, but he clearly should've bought him out free and clear in 2014.
Lombardi was criticized for being too married to his prospects when he got the Kings job. After winning, he's criticized for being too loyal to guys that won for him. Then Brown is now worth at best half of what his cap hit is, and a young right handed defenseman on a great contract goes up in smoke, and here we are.
Raccoon Jesus
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Could be. But there's a lot of philosophical discussion there that seems to suggest they're trying to compromise on direction.
I think Hammond said it best, DL may be becoming his own worst enemy
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AlphaBravo
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Assuming we need a new voice in the room and Sutter does not resign, is Stevens really the best option? He may be a wonderful coach, but how big of a change in voice will that be?
I think Sutter is wonderful and has found the formula for increasing a team's chance of winning the cup, but I think the players have checked out and need someone new to kick them in the butt. Other than our clear weakness on defense, the team was not hungry in the playoffs. The fact that Doughty had to say "well, I am not saying they were hungrier or more motivated than us..." says it all.
Unfortunately, knowing Sutter, he will go on to win another cup if he gets hired by another team. I think Sutter would actually turn the Flames into a Stanley Cup team with the talent they have.
I think Sutter is wonderful and has found the formula for increasing a team's chance of winning the cup, but I think the players have checked out and need someone new to kick them in the butt. Other than our clear weakness on defense, the team was not hungry in the playoffs. The fact that Doughty had to say "well, I am not saying they were hungrier or more motivated than us..." says it all.
Unfortunately, knowing Sutter, he will go on to win another cup if he gets hired by another team. I think Sutter would actually turn the Flames into a Stanley Cup team with the talent they have.
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-Team needs a retool. May take a couple of years.
-Sutter wants to coach. but may not want to coach more then a couple of years more. (age)
-Sutter may not want to coach while team is retooling.
Only way to fix the issue in the short term is find a way of dumping Brown's contract with little/nothing coming back cap wise and patch defense. Hence the retool.
It's a nice cluster **** and everything circles back around to not being competitive. Now Lombardi is looking at losing Sutter, Brown's an anchor, got to try like hell and have some luck to get this thing back together in a couple of years... wait what was I saying? Blow it up!
AlphaBravo
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I am sure DL is probably just tired also. He as probably been interviewing players, the coaches, and personnel for weeks now, and had a quick 30 minute window to do a media appearance.
Hammond is an idiot. "Just make better roster decisions"? Yeah, its that easy. Because Top 4 defenders are available willy nilly and teams are dying to take our cap dumps.
Also, DL needs to figure out the next phase of this team. Its not as simple as plugging in new roster players. That does not win championships - just ask the Ducks. I am sure he is thinking about whether the game has changed, and if the team's style needs to evolve and if so, who are the right players for the new system or style.
Little Psycho
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Is there another 26 year old GM?
Kyle Dubas is the AGM in Toronto and hes 29, it was a BIG deal when they brought him in. having said that, Its completely insane to me to hire a 26 year old as a GM without having a few years of experience with the org ...could be a genius move or it could set the Yotes back big time. I respect the risk they are taking though, the franchise needed a shakeup and its good for them that Tippet is staying with more control on personnel
as for the Lombardi conference call, I dont know what to think. I had thought Sutter was a 100% lock to come back but DL's comments are worrisome. is Dean trying to have him change the system? does Darryl want more control over players? does he just want to head back to his farm and not deal with hockey anymore? I think they are all legit possibilities. what do we do if he leaves? what do the Kings do if Lombardi goes off the deep end? hopefully Futa is patiently waiting in the wings
KingsFan7824
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My guess would be, if it's not an all in situation, what is Sutter sticking around for? He's almost 60, been coaching forever, now has 2 rings, and came back to coach after seemingly being happy running his ranch or whatever. 5 playoff games, and 1 playoff win, in 2 years. A clear hole on defense. A bunch of vets that have left in one form or another.
If it's not clearly going to get better, why go through another grind like the last 2 years?
Omni Owl
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Each of those guys I listed made the Kings look like a circus sideshow and contributed to our downfall. I agree that Richards should have been bought out, if something that obvious wasn't apparent to DL at the time then I have to question his decision making. I'm concerned about this team's future, things are really bleak right now.
haha..sounds to me like he game planned for standard cookie cutter responses and started to deviate, recognized that, and just bolted
KingsFan7824
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Yeah, I'd still put Stoll a low 3rd on the list though.
I doubt it wasn't apparent to Lombardi. He's not an idiot. I'm sure the Richards question kept him busy day and night. He just believed in the idea of Mike Richards more than the physical being. Which is why he traded for him in the first place. If you have the Mike Richards, you're not messing around anymore. It's time to win. Even if he's not the biggest, fastest, or most talented guy. He's Mike Richards.
And yeah, there are more questions about where the team is now than there has been in years. Most everyone has gotten their money, and gotten a year or two older. There's not a ton of cap space or young players ready to make a big impact. It's now 2 consecutive seasons with more questions than answers, and it's tough enough getting up the mountain, let alone getting back up the mountain. Teams in the division that should, in theory, start to get better at some point.
Hold onto that 2017 1st round pick. This team has to prove next year that they're worth trading it.
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-Team needs a retool. May take a couple of years.
-Sutter wants to coach. but may not want to coach more then a couple of years more. (age)
-Sutter may not want to coach while team is retooling.
Only way to fix the issue in the short term is find a way of dumping Brown's contract with little/nothing coming back cap wise and patch defense. Hence the retool.
It's a nice cluster **** and everything circles back around to not being competitive. Now Lombardi is looking at losing Sutter, Brown's an anchor, got to try like hell and have some luck to get this thing back together in a couple of years... wait what was I saying? Blow it up!
could be the opposite too. Sutter wanted to rebuild and trade Iggy in Calgary but ownership said no, so they fired him and brought in Feaster...One year late they signed off on the rebuild.
Maybe Sutter wants a retooling year or two and DL still wants to push to win now.
AlphaBravo
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The one good thing about our situation is that we know what the concrete problems are for the team: lacking a top 4 defenseman and a 3rd line center. Teams like the Ducks and Caps are going to have a harder time figuring out how to fix their team since they are so deep on paper.
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