Trouba would be great, but I can't see WPG letting him go without a LHD going back. That'w would be Muzzin or Martinez. If you could get it done for something around Martinez, great... but I have my doubts.
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Raccoon Jesus
We were right there
I love Martinez but if you can build around him for Trouba you do it.
Doughty-Muzzin
McNabb/Gravel-Trouba
McNabb/Gravel-Greene
Forbort/Scuds
I very much believe in McNabb's upside.
KingPuckChoo
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Forbort would have to clear waivers so pencil him in as at least the #7.
Jim Fox mentioned the Muzzin-Martinez being a productive duo so really the issue is finding who to play who Doughty.
Then you have have:
Doughty - ????
Muzzin - Martinez
Greene - McNabb
Forbort
Scuderi is probably buried in the minors.
Jim Fox mentioned the Muzzin-Martinez being a productive duo so really the issue is finding who to play who Doughty.
Then you have have:
Doughty - ????
Muzzin - Martinez
Greene - McNabb
Forbort
Scuderi is probably buried in the minors.
Raccoon Jesus
We were right there
I don't think he should be near the top pairing, but I feel the same way about Martinez.
Being a great 2nd pairing guy doesn't mean that translates further upward. I think he could be stellar long-term there. McNabb's biggest problem, imo, is being miscast. Too much too soon. The guy wasn't ready for Buffalo's roster and ended up on our top pairing...
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Any defenseman we trade for cannot involve Martinez going back. We will essentially be creating another hole. If a legit top 2 defenseman is available the Kings will have to overpay to get as a ufa or be willing to trade tofolli, which creates scoring issues next year.
WHOneedsSOX
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How will they be able to afford Trouba though? He'll likely get paid more than the $4 million Martinez is getting. Didn't he want $7 million from Winnipeg? I know he won't get that but can Dean really sell him on taking a bridge deal (which would then kill the Kings in 2 years)?
Herby
How could Blake have known?
I strongly disagree about any upside for McNabb.
His foot speed is terrible, very little offensive game, horrible decisions with the puck, horrible reads and angles in the defensive zone, horrible outlet passes. He has size and can play physical, but beyond that there is very little to be excited about.
He tops out as a #5 or #6 guy, and he isn't even that yet, on a good team.
His foot speed is terrible, very little offensive game, horrible decisions with the puck, horrible reads and angles in the defensive zone, horrible outlet passes. He has size and can play physical, but beyond that there is very little to be excited about.
He tops out as a #5 or #6 guy, and he isn't even that yet, on a good team.
gotta be joking right? you realize we already have a better version of that old pile of fertilizer dust right?
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Martyros
Allow me to retort
That's really it.
Recently the Kings' style has heavily relied upon the breakout pass and clean exits from the zone. In 2012, it seemed damn near every pass was crisp and hit a guy in full stride. When you take a big, heavy possession team and give them an illusion of speed from how fast they move the puck, you get what the Kings were: unbeatable. This year they lose a key defensman and only have a couple guys who can move the puck out with consistency, What you get is a team that's much easier to beat.
I don't think this team needs much repairing at all, it just needs one solid middle defensman to allow everyone to fall into their slot. We'll see what DL can do.
PMD prospect who went to North Dakota who if he doesn't sign with us he becomes a UFA. Now I don't know if he'll be good but we could take all the PMDs we can get right now.
That is the issue.
-Fill the hole on D and not sign a top 6 forward (Lucic) leaving a hole in the top 6. Think King full time top 6 duty, and Brown.
-Fill the hole in the top 6 and fill the hole on D with Gravel/Forbort (Not a contender)
-Move Brown somehow.
Running Muzzin/Doughty would be great, but the cap doesn't really allow for it.
What this team needs is an injection of cheap ELC guys that can contribute. Guys like Muzzin @1.1 and Martinez at 1M. The question is how to acquire those players before Carter/Kopitar loose a step.
SCARFACE909
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He's a junior, so he won't be a UFA, that's only if he doesn't sign following his senior year at UND. I haven't heard that he said no to signing with LA, I would assume it'll happen here soon. That's if he isn't set on returning to UND for his senior year and defending the national title.
The Tikkanen
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And his shots get through probably the least of the Kings dmen-and all these guys struggle getting their shots through. The stationary wrist shot from the point needs to be removed from the Kings play book-it doesn't work!
I have a feeling that they've moved on from Forbort. I think he's top out at a #5-6, but realistically he's a 7. I get the whole time and $ spent on development. I just think that this post season will lead to a change in DL's 5 yr plan and how they deal with their "slots". I'm guessing he's moved as part of a deal to bring in higher upside assets.
That's what hurt the most with Voynov, because he was developed internally his cost was a solid value. It would be fine if it was just Gravel that needed to contribute, but the team will probably need Gravel and a middle pairing guy.
There's going to be a bit of space with the drop in Richards buyout and Lewis gone. In addition, one of Mersch/Dowd are likely going to make a bottom forward expendable. One of Clifford/King is going to have to go to make more room. I think King brings a little more for his pay scale, but I wouldn't lose sleep over either leaving.
Scuderi retiring would make it much easier to pull off, but he's not devastating to the cap at 1.125M.
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Pretty much. Would rather have Schenn because they're similar players, but Schenn is a much needed right hander.
I have a feeling there will be a big trade this summer for the first time in years. It will include trading away a top paid player and likely a top prospect to drop the salary.
I also see long standing players like King or Clifford moving. King makes almost 2 and will be UFA and Clifford makes 1.6.
Andreoff and Mersch can replace both those spots for much cheaper. If Lucic re signs and Pearson the 2nd line LW you can easily put those two kids behind them at 3 and 4 LW.
My question though is the Kings need another speedy winger or two and if Lewis leaves that leaves another hole at 3rd line RW.
I also see long standing players like King or Clifford moving. King makes almost 2 and will be UFA and Clifford makes 1.6.
Andreoff and Mersch can replace both those spots for much cheaper. If Lucic re signs and Pearson the 2nd line LW you can easily put those two kids behind them at 3 and 4 LW.
My question though is the Kings need another speedy winger or two and if Lewis leaves that leaves another hole at 3rd line RW.
WHOneedsSOX
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Doesn't the Lucic trade qualify as a big trade? Or are you saying more in lines of one of the "core" guys gets moved?
I mean core guys getting moved, i.e. Brown or Gaborik.
Kings healthy would have had too many players this year and required sending Shore to the AHL, but that never happened.
Now it's gonna be...
????-Kopitar-Gaborik
Pearson-Carter-Toffoli
King-Shore-Brown
Clifford-Andreoff-Nolan
Maybe the Kings send a package of Brown, Forbort and King or Shore someone's way for a D or salary clear?
Dowd will likely be fighting for the 3rd or 4th line center spot. Mersch will be fighting for a 3rd line LW.
Kings healthy would have had too many players this year and required sending Shore to the AHL, but that never happened.
Now it's gonna be...
????-Kopitar-Gaborik
Pearson-Carter-Toffoli
King-Shore-Brown
Clifford-Andreoff-Nolan
Maybe the Kings send a package of Brown, Forbort and King or Shore someone's way for a D or salary clear?
Dowd will likely be fighting for the 3rd or 4th line center spot. Mersch will be fighting for a 3rd line LW.
I think to get anything of value it's going to have to be more along the lines of Brown, Kempe, and Clifford. Kempe is someone I would be hesitant to move.
Forbort could be moved for a vet bottom 6'er maybe, not much more than that. King's value is reduced as he's UFA, except for maybe a team that doesn't want salary next year.
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Hypothetically if Lucic signs at a bargain 5.5, Dowd at $700,000
Lucic - Kopitar - Gabby = 20.375
Pearson - Carter - Toffoli = 10.
Mersch - Shore - Brown = 7.2
Andreoff - Dowd - Nolan = 2.25
Forward Core = 39.8 mil with a huge hole a 3C
Doughty - Muzzin = 11
Martinez - = 4
Greene - Gravel = 3.2
Forbert - .900 est.
Defense Core = 18.2 mil Still missing a #3
Quick and Budaj - 6.4 - good enough bat gain basement backup for the amount he will be used
Richards cap recapture- 1.570
Total = 66 mil
This allows us 5.4 mil plus whatever the cap goes up to get a proper # 3c and a second pairing Dman to ice a competitive team.
Trade bait of King 1.9 mil, Clifford 1.6, McNabb est 1.2, plus prospects and picks.
I just don't find it realistic to pretend Brown is getting traded. Even Gabby and Green may be a hard sell.
Lucic - Kopitar - Gabby = 20.375
Pearson - Carter - Toffoli = 10.
Mersch - Shore - Brown = 7.2
Andreoff - Dowd - Nolan = 2.25
Forward Core = 39.8 mil with a huge hole a 3C
Doughty - Muzzin = 11
Martinez - = 4
Greene - Gravel = 3.2
Forbert - .900 est.
Defense Core = 18.2 mil Still missing a #3
Quick and Budaj - 6.4 - good enough bat gain basement backup for the amount he will be used
Richards cap recapture- 1.570
Total = 66 mil
This allows us 5.4 mil plus whatever the cap goes up to get a proper # 3c and a second pairing Dman to ice a competitive team.
Trade bait of King 1.9 mil, Clifford 1.6, McNabb est 1.2, plus prospects and picks.
I just don't find it realistic to pretend Brown is getting traded. Even Gabby and Green may be a hard sell.
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