Seravalli: Official JT Miller Trade Thread - NEW Update (1/25/22) - Rangers Interest "Next Level"

[John Johnson]

Going to be a lot of clueless Canuck fan posts when you see what he returns.

What did he return to Tampa when he was a 40-50 point 3rd liner?

 

[JohnHodgson]

Then why do you keep talking about the market as it pertains to Miller getting a massive return because of the market?

If you don't want people to speculate on the market then stop speculating on the market.

I'm not talking about the market at all. You and a lot of people here keep bringing it up.

My first post in this thread was focusing on historical deadline deals:

2020 NHL Deadline Notable Deals:
Goodrow for 1st
Coleman for 1st + Foote
Brady Skej for 1st
JGP for 1st + 2nd + 3rd (with conditions)

2021 NHL Deadline Notable Deals:
Mantha for Vrana + 1st + 2nd
Foligno for 1st + 4th
Palmieri/Zajac for 1st + 4th

JT is clearly better than any of these players so if the offer isn't better than any of these offers, they aren't even close.

 

[AKL]

I'm not talking about the market at all. You and a lot of people here keep bringing it up.

My first post in this thread was focusing on historical deadline deals:

2020 NHL Deadline Notable Deals:
Goodrow for 1st
Coleman for 1st + Foote
Brady Skej for 1st
JGP for 1st + 2nd + 3rd (with conditions)

2021 NHL Deadline Notable Deals:
Mantha for Vrana + 1st + 2nd
Foligno for 1st + 4th
Palmieri/Zajac for 1st + 4th

JT is clearly better than any of these players so if the offer isn't better than any of these offers, they aren't even close.

So just to be clear, what you're doing here is speculating about what the market will be for Miller based on historical market data. You saying his return will be better than all of those because he's better, is speculating on the market.

You seem to be confused between "speculating on the market" and "speculating that the market won't be exactly what Canucks fans want it to be".

 

[John Johnson]

So just to be clear, what you're doing here is speculating about what the market will be for Miller based on historical market data. You saying his return will be better than all of those because he's better, is speculating on the market.

You seem to be confused between "speculating on the market" and "speculating that the market won't be exactly what Canucks fans want it to be".

You're right, this year it will be different because the Canucks are involved and will get fleeced.

 

[AKL]

You're right, this year it will be different because the Canucks are involved and will get fleeced.

I'm not sure if this is some weird victim complex or if it's a healthy self-jab, but regardless, any discussion about what Miller may or may not or should receive as a return is speculation by us on what the market will be this year, regardless of which side of the conversation you're on. That's the point. You can't tell people they're not allowed to speculate on the market because they don't know what it is, and then turn around and use historical data and the standings and team needs to speculate what Miller should get. It's a complete contradiction.

 

[John Johnson]

I'm not sure if this is some weird victim complex or if it's a healthy self-jab, but regardless, any discussion about what Miller may or may not or should receive as a return is speculation by us on what the market will be this year, regardless of which side of the conversation you're on. That's the point. You can't tell people they're not allowed to speculate on the market because they don't know what it is, and then turn around and use historical data and the standings and team needs to speculate what Miller should get. It's a complete contradiction.

Wow you really are a pessimist huh

 

[Kcoyote3]

These updates crack me up.

"NEXT LEVEL"
"3 TEAMS INTERESTED"
"HEATING UP"

Frieds/Marek have really learned how to bait an audience for months

 

[FrozenJagrt]

He’s actually 27th but way to make stats up.

Okay, he's tied for 27th in points. He's only listed at 30th on NHL.com as the NHL uses goals as a tiebreaker.

I didn't make up stats at all. You called him a top 20 scorer, which he is not. Sounds like you're the one making stats up. Don't accuse me of that bullshit junior.

Edit: I just noticed you said he has one of best face off percentages in the league. He's at 53.3%. That's... Fine? I guess? I don't know about "one of the best" though. You really struggle with this whole "making up stats" thing.

 

[rangersfansince08]

I'm not talking about the market at all. You and a lot of people here keep bringing it up.

My first post in this thread was focusing on historical deadline deals:

2020 NHL Deadline Notable Deals:
Goodrow for 1st
Coleman for 1st + Foote
Brady Skej for 1st
JGP for 1st + 2nd + 3rd (with conditions)

2021 NHL Deadline Notable Deals:
Mantha for Vrana + 1st + 2nd
Foligno for 1st + 4th
Palmieri/Zajac for 1st + 4th

JT is clearly better than any of these players so if the offer isn't better than any of these offers, they aren't even close.

Where is the blue chip prospect in any of these? Mostly just picks. I don't see anything close to a Schneider, Newhook, Perfetti in any of these deals.

 

[rangersfansince08]

He’s actually 27th but way to make stats up. Regardless, it’s not all about points for the millionth time. Linemates matter, other factors matter. He’s 27th in points but also plays the PK and has one of the best faceoff percentages in the league. Not to mention he can play center or wing efficiently. He’s a top 20 forward in the NHL. Simple

Make the poll if you are so confident. Miller already lost the one to Zibby. He'd be the 4th best forward on the Rangers because Kreider, Zibby and Panarin are close to being top 20 forwards (Panarin has a higher P/G than Miller and Kreider and Zibby score more goals) and not in some bizzaro world where being 27th gets rounded down to 20th

 

[StickShift]

If the NYR really are in the mood for an all-in sort of trade—anyone else see the potential for an even bigger deal with Vancouver that includes both Miller and Boeser?

 

[Canadian Canuck]

Okay, he's tied for 27th in points. He's only listed at 30th on NHL.com as the NHL uses goals as a tiebreaker.

I didn't make up stats at all. You called him a top 20 scorer, which he is not. Sounds like you're the one making stats up. Don't accuse me of that bullshit junior.

Junior, I’m not making stats up at all. He was 17th last year and 27th right now. He’s right around 20 overall. He’s a top 20 forward in terms of value then is that better?

 

[BatVader]

If the NYR really are in the mood for an all-in sort of trade—anyone else see the potential for an even bigger deal with Vancouver that includes both Miller and Boeser?

This is what the Jets should do, but won’t.

 

[Canadian Canuck]

Make the poll if you are so confident. Miller already lost the one to Zibby. He'd be the 4th best forward on the Rangers because Kreider, Zibby and Panarin are close to being top 20 forwards (Panarin has a higher P/G than Miller and Kreider and Zibby score more goals) and not in some bizzaro world where being 27th gets rounded down to 20th

Lmao. What does who the rangers have have to do with acquiring Miller? You’re not winning a cup with your current roster why wouldn’t you aquire a top 20-30 player in the league for prospects? Mind boggling.

 

[rangersfansince08]

Lmao. What does who the rangers have have to do with acquiring Miller? You’re not winning a cup with your current roster why wouldn’t you aquire a top 20-30 player in the league for prospects? Mind boggling.

We're not winning a cup with Miller either. He doesn't fix our 5 on 5 issues. 50% of his points are on the PP. Hertl is the one to add if they truly think they are close. Tampa overpaid for Coleman and Goodrow after years of failing and falling short. Rangers are literally just starting to make the playoffs.

 

[FrozenJagrt]

Junior, I’m not making stats up at all. He was 17th last year and 27th right now. He’s right around 20 overall. He’s a top 20 forward in terms of value then is that better?

Sure, but that's not what you initially said. You said he's currently a top 20 scorer, which he's not. Also, I just edited my comment to call you out on the saying he has "one of the best face off percentages in the league" which is stretching the truth quite a bit. At a quick glance I don't think he's even top 40.

 

[Phrasing]

Rofl this thread if and when the TDL comes and goes and Miller isn’t traded.

 

[rangersfansince08]

Sure, but that's not what you initially said. You said he's currently a top 20 scorer, which he's not. Also, I just edited my comment to call you out on the saying he has "one of the best face off percentages in the league" which is stretching the truth quite a bit. At a quick glance I don't think he's even top 40.

Top 40 means top 10 if you round down using Canuck fans' math

 

[SelltheTeamFrancesco]

Where is the blue chip prospect in any of these? Mostly just picks. I don't see anything close to a Schneider, Newhook, Perfetti in any of these deals.

One of those things is not like the other. Schneider is not on the level of Newhook and Perfetti.

 

[jay from jersey]

Lmao. What does who the rangers have have to do with acquiring Miller? You’re not winning a cup with your current roster why wouldn’t you aquire a top 20-30 player in the league for prospects? Mind boggling.

Marty St Louis didn’t return what you guys are asking a year removed from winning the MVP. Signed just as long as miller

 

[FrozenJagrt]

Top 40 means top 10 if you round down using Canuck fans' math

Shoot, you're right. I forgot to carry the 4 when I checked my math.

 

[dman34]

The whole "Coleman got 2 1sts" and such argument is so dumb. The market changes year to year. You dont see GMs trading 1sts for a Paul Gaustad or Erat for Forsberg anymore. GMs learn.

Because Coleman was traded in 2020, we can't use him as a comparable because GM's have learnt their lesson since then?

 

[FoxysExpensiveNYDigs]

Because Coleman was traded in 2020, we can't use him as a comparable because GM's have learnt their lesson since then?

You shouldnt use him because its uncertain that a GM will be desperate enough to overpay like that this year. Possible, but uncertain.

 

[dman34]

You shouldnt use him because its uncertain that a GM will be desperate enough to overpay like that this year. Possible, but uncertain.

LOL....if we don't use historical trade data from the last few years, then what do we use? The magic 8 ball?

 

[EP to Kuzmenko]

Because Coleman was traded in 2020, we can't use him as a comparable because GM's have learnt their lesson since then?

Well, Tampa did win the cup. So I guess the lesson would be to spend assets to win now?