KevinFinnerty
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Also, I wouldn’t count Nils out. Is Hughes a top pairing defenseman? Great offensively, terrible defensively
Seravalli: Official JT Miller Trade Thread - NEW Update (1/25/22) - Rangers Interest "Next Level"
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Would love Miller on the Leafs but not sure how it would work cap-wise.
Maybe something like:
Petr Mrazek
Nick Ritchie
2022 1st rounder
2023 1st rounder
Nick Robertson
Topi Niemela
for
JT Miller
Jaroslav Halak
The way I see it: Mrazek + Ritchie + ‘23 1st = Halak (salary dumps)
‘22 1st + Robertson + Niemela = JT Miller
Maybe something like:
Petr Mrazek
Nick Ritchie
2022 1st rounder
2023 1st rounder
Nick Robertson
Topi Niemela
for
JT Miller
Jaroslav Halak
The way I see it: Mrazek + Ritchie + ‘23 1st = Halak (salary dumps)
‘22 1st + Robertson + Niemela = JT Miller
John Mandalorian
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You potentially have firesales in Dallas and Chicago. You also have potential sellers in Arizona, Philadelphia, and San Jose. That's so far.
In the case of Giroux and Hertl (possibly), these players have a lot of power over where they go. So, this significantly impacts the cost of acquisition downwardly.
CF%
Hughes- 53.94%
Fox 47.88%
Lundkqvist- 42.19%
SF%
Hughes- 53.31%
Fox- 51.3%
Lundkqvist 43.56%
xGF%
Hughes 50.38%
Fox - 51.57 %
Lundkvist 44.38%
Defensive Zone Starts
Hughes 89
Fox 97
Lundkvist 22
If Hughes isnt a top pairing Dman this season then neither is Fox and Lundqvist is an AHLer.
I think Canucks are looking for top end prospects more so than 1st round draft picks especially from good teams like the Leafs which will make this 1st round picks in the later half.
Maybe a 3way trade would work and a team looking for picks could be involved.
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Hughes had some real struggles last season. He has been way better this season and even has good fancy defensive stats this season. You obviously don't watch him if this is your take.
Peter Griffin
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And like I said earlier in this thread, none of those teams are going to be trading a player of Miller’s value who is also signed for next season at a very reasonable rate. Surely you can imagine that would be very valuable to many teams that may be interested.
Another reason why these trade threads are funny. People clearly don’t watch other teams and make stupid statements like this.
Show your work. He was terrible defensively last season. This season he's worked on it and now he's above average defensively.
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Peter Griffin
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Not at all. Your fellow Avs’ poster who I respect a lot, said it was a good trade.
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Peter Griffin
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And we’ve come full circle! Can’t believe I’ve wasted this much time interacting with you.
Blueangel1891
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Nucks hold all the cards here.
The price for Miller will be massive. If no contender is willing to pay it? Fine. We'll keep our best forward and move him for a 1st and prospect at next years deadline.
We don't HAVE to move him now. It's all about which team wants to go all in for a Cup this year, and it's going to cost you
The price for Miller will be massive. If no contender is willing to pay it? Fine. We'll keep our best forward and move him for a 1st and prospect at next years deadline.
We don't HAVE to move him now. It's all about which team wants to go all in for a Cup this year, and it's going to cost you
Peter Peckerwood
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Curious as to why it is doubtful? Are you saying that the Avs don't want JTM, so no package would be worth sending or that particular package wouldn't happen?
If you do want JTM, what sort of package are you thinking other than stuff nobody wants?
I have lost track of these JTM threads, so maybe you've covered it. Apologies if you have.
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Don't want Miller with the Rangers, even if it was at a perceived bargain. There are other possibilities that work far better for the Rangers.
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Are you now the GM? I'm fairly sure that Vancouver management has an interest in moving JT. If they thought that highly of him, they would figure out a way to keep him around.
Pawn him off on any team but the Rangers.
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All Purpose JT Miller Trade Thread - Major Update per Seravalli+Dhaliwal
This assessment by @Richard88 is pretty much dead on. It's likely realistic in terms of how the FO views this.
There was a counter point regarding a future 3rd round pick to offset the lack of utility of the first being for next year, which is also a fair and realistic calculation.
I wonder if the Canucks would entertain the idea of extending Miller next year and instead trading someone like Horvat or Boeser.
Horvat is a UFA the same year as Miller.
Boeser is still an RFA after this season.
Miller is just so valuable with everything he does and is only 2 years older than Horvat.
I can definitely see Rutherford loving someone like Miller over Horvat,
One thing im certain with is that one of Miller, Horvat, Boeser will be traded either this year, this offseason or next year to try and get some top prospects/ draft picks in and or to fix the defence.
Horvat is a UFA the same year as Miller.
Boeser is still an RFA after this season.
Miller is just so valuable with everything he does and is only 2 years older than Horvat.
I can definitely see Rutherford loving someone like Miller over Horvat,
One thing im certain with is that one of Miller, Horvat, Boeser will be traded either this year, this offseason or next year to try and get some top prospects/ draft picks in and or to fix the defence.
If the price to get Miller is Olausson + Barron + 2nd... Or we can go get Giroux from Philly for Jost and a conditional 1st, we will happily take Giroux every time.
Just because Giroux is a UFA doesn't mean we automatically will lose him this summer. He could be very interested in chasing cups with Colorado for the last few years of his career.
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Which is completely fine and I even stated that earlier. My issue is that a certain other poster can't fathom that other teams could value Miller being signed thru next season and be willing to pay accordingly. If the price to acquire a top UFA to be is a 1st plus a prospect, it speaks to reason that an additional year at a reasonable cap hit would require a significant increase in trade value. Just because Colorado wouldn't pay that price(I'm not so sure they wouldn't considering it would give Newhook an additional year of development), doesn't mean other teams wouldn't.
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