Seravalli: Official JT Miller Trade Thread - NEW Update (1/25/22) - Rangers Interest "Next Level"

[Canadian Canuck]

I think the requirement that a defenseman coming to Vancouver needs to be a RH’ed shot is overblown. Many young left handed shots are capable of playing both sides effectively. I’d rather target the best pieces available as Vancouver needs help in all areas and a Miller trade isn’t likely to be the only one made.

This right here.

 

[10Ducky10]

Copp and a first round pick.

 

[John Mandalorian]

How is that not realistic? Avs are in on Miller and need a backup Goalie upgrade. This deal makes them serious favourites

Read back a few pages.

 

[Canadian Canuck]

Copp and a first round pick.

Coops a pending UFA

 

[EP to Kuzmenko]

Erik Johnson's salary coming off the books is MacKinnon's raise.

The Avs currently have 53 million on the books for next year. They need to re-make the 2nd line and find a new goalie. In a certain way, JT Miller complicates that. If, say, they were to add Hertl for 8 million, yes it's 8 million, but there's also term with it unlike Miller. Miller's situation just kicks the can down the road.

Eric needs to be replaced, won't take 6m, but will take some of it. Hertl for 8m beyond next season hurts the Avs. Newhool is the Heir apparent to the 2c role, makes no sense to sign someone long term to a big money contract that will move to 3c. Miller makes the most sense for this reason. Keeps the Avs contending next year, gives them their best shot this year, and they can let him walk away to let Newhook take over.

 

[John Mandalorian]

You also think a deal of two recent late 1sts and a late 2nd is too much for Miller.

And you like to ignore basic laws of economics.

When the market is one of scarcity, the price goes up. What happens when it's the opposite of scarcity (like we're seeing now)?

 

[Peter Griffin]

And you like to ignore basic laws of economics.

When the market is one of scarcity, the price goes up. What happens when it's the opposite of scarcity (like we're seeing now)?

You think there's a bunch of JT Miller's that are going to be available this deadline? Let me guess, Giroux, Pavelski and Hertl? None of them are the same situation as Miller as I said in my last post you never responded too.

 

[NYVanfan]

And you like to ignore basic laws of economics.

When the market is one of scarcity, the price goes up. What happens when it's the opposite of scarcity (like we're seeing now)?

Miller is not a scarce commodity? (esp retained?)

 

[John Mandalorian]

You think there's a bunch of JT Miller's that are going to be available this deadline? Let me guess, Giroux, Pavelski and Hertl?

See?! You can answer your own questions!

 

[Peter Griffin]

See?! You can answer your own questions!

How many of them are signed next season @ $5.25M(or less)? Oh right, that's not worth anything.

 

[John Mandalorian]

Miller is not a scarce commodity? (esp retained?)

Not really. There are adequate and less costly substitutes that also have their own advantages.

 

[Peter Peckerwood]

Why though? Miller can be an established 2C for the next 4-6 years. That’s their window anyways!

I think it because of cost certainty and Newhook's age and not knowing his ceiling. He's around .5PPG playing 3C and some PP time.
The biggest reason this trade won't happen is because the Avs can only have one "JT" at a time and our play by play guy would get waaaaaaaay too confused. Plus, we can only complain about one "JTx" on our boards at a time.

 

[John Mandalorian]

How many of them are signed next season @ $5.25M(or less)? Oh right, that's not worth anything.

We've been over this. You're over-valuing this. It has it's advantages and disadvantages.

 

[Canadian Canuck]

We've been over this. You're over-valuing this. It has it's advantages and disadvantages.

How so?? Cap is gold in todays NHL.

 

[Hunter368]

Copp and a first round pick.

Copp has one year less term and while is a valuable top 6 forward who plays all positions and all roles.........adding a 1st rd pick doesn't make up the difference between the one year less term and the difference in players. IMO the Jets should just take a hard pass on JT b/c of his contract term and don't bother offering anything b/c it doesn't make any sense for where the Jets are at now in the season, JT's term and JT doesn't make the Jets a serious contender so no point wasting very good pieces on trying to get him. Sounds like from the rumor this was only a rumor at best from early in the season likely when PLD was still an unknown at center.

 

[Peter Griffin]

We've been over this. You're over-valuing this. It has it's advantages and disadvantages.

What advantage is there beside a lower acquisition cost?

 

[Peter Peckerwood]

Eric needs to be replaced, won't take 6m, but will take some of it. Hertl for 8m beyond next season hurts the Avs. Newhool is the Heir apparent to the 2c role, makes no sense to sign someone long term to a big money contract that will move to 3c. Miller makes the most sense for this reason. Keeps the Avs contending next year, gives them their best shot this year, and they can let him walk away to let Newhook take over.

This has been discussed some on our boards, so there is some agreement. I think any mention has also had Newhook as a non-starter.

 

[John Mandalorian]

How so?? Cap is gold in todays NHL.

All Purpose JT Miller Trade Thread - Major Update per Seravalli+Dhaliwal

 

[John Mandalorian]

What advantage is there beside a lower acquisition cost?

All Purpose JT Miller Trade Thread - Major Update per Seravalli+Dhaliwal

This is noteworthy because last summer Sakic had two FAs in Landeskog and Grubauer. I doubt he'll want to have a similar summer when MacKinnon comes up for his contract. So there's value in making that move to begin rebuilding the 2nd line next summer.

Also, keep in mind that the Avs haven't had trouble scoring. You could make the case they'd be better off focusing on less costly middle/bottom 6 players who make the Avs more challenging to play against.

 

[Peter Griffin]

All Purpose JT Miller Trade Thread - Major Update per Seravalli+Dhaliwal

This is noteworthy because last summer Sakic had two FAs in Landeskog and Grubauer. I doubt he'll want to have a similar summer when MacKinnon comes up for his contract. So there's value in making that move to begin rebuilding the 2nd line next summer.

Also, keep in mind that the Avs haven't had trouble scoring. You could make the case they'd be better off focusing on less costly middle/bottom 6 players who make the Avs more challenging to play against.

I'm not talking solely about the Avs, I'm talking in general. I said earlier that two late 1sts and a late 2nd is the going rate for Miller. You disagreed adamantly and have yet to disprove that citing the supposed inflated market this year of similar players. You're wrong. As I said earlier, just because the Avs won't meet that price doesn't mean other teams wont.

 

[John Mandalorian]

I'm not talking solely about the Avs, I'm talking in general. I said earlier that two late 1sts and a late 2nd is the going rate for Miller. You disagreed adamantly and have yet to disprove that citing the supposed inflated market this year of similar players. You're wrong.

Based on what?

 

[Peter Griffin]

Based on what?

Based on pretty much every trade deadline in the last 5 years? Blake Coleman went for a mid-1st and a recent late 1st. Vancouver shouldn't expect more for a significantly better player?

 

[John Mandalorian]

Based on pretty much every trade deadline in the last 5 years? Blake Coleman went for a mid-1st and a recent late 1st. Vancouver shouldn't expect more for a significantly better player?

You can expect whatever you want. But if it's too much, you can also watch teams make deals with several other teams for other options.

 

[KevinFinnerty]

There is zero chance Nils Lundqvist turns into a top pairing dman. It’s Schneider or we move on.

Miller isn’t worth Schneider sorry brother

 

[Peter Griffin]

You can expect whatever you want. But if it's too much, you can also watch teams make deals with several other teams for other options.

Names these options. Impending UFA’s?