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tradervik said:
Why would they change his bio if they already decided not to take away his title? I'm sure Delorme specialized in CHL scouting the way Dale Talon probably specializes in scouting Florida.
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Nobody has bios on the site anymore
Didn’t want to people to connect the dots that he ran the department that can’t find CHL talent to save his life.

I don’t know much about watching the CHL, but you could pick a name out of hat and do better.
 
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I like how someone still defends Delorme when I can't find any article crediting him with influence on any pick. And no, he didn't find Elias Pettersson, that was Inge Hammarstrom who was the first to bring him to the Canucks attention.

He's an alumni and FN so it would be a PR disaster if he was fired. But they should have shuffled him to a community relations job like Smyl long ago. Instead he's still got a seat at the scouts table and actually was there at the last Draft combine.

Death, Taxes and Delorme.
 
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Imaging firing Benning and Green.
And somehow end up with a management that’s performing even worse.
(to be fair, a lot of it is Benning’s fault but this current mgt group about themselves in the foot as well)
 
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The 'good news' is that Aquilini apparently has checked out of social media for awhile as his team flounders.

The 'bad news', is that he probably has no idea of what Canucks fans think of him and his ownership of their favorite team.
 
VanJack said:
The 'good news' is that Aquilini apparently has checked out of social media for awhile as his team flounders.

The 'bad news', is that he probably has no idea of what Canucks fans think of him and his ownership of their favorite team.
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Aquaman won't post again until there's another 'change' in team management/coaching
 
Nucklehead Supreme said:
How about the last 10 years?

How about going from a model franchise to a f***ing laughing stock?

How about having absolutely no discernable direction to speak of for the last 10 years?

How about when your gm comes to you and says, we need to rebuild, you don't fire him and bring in two different management groups to do a seemingly never ending re-tool that has never worked and will never work?

Rutherford basically said they need to rebuild, but can't, hmmm wonder why that is........
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That's part of the discussion isn't it? Who is setting the direction of the team? Who is responsible for establishing a winning culture? Through ownership on down sure, but the execution is all or at least mostly the POHO/GM no?

The point I made is that Aquilini seemingly went and begged Rutherford to take the job. Rutherford didn't need to sell ownership anything and was in a position to dictate his terms. So given the circumstances of Rutherford's hire, I fail to see how Rutherford wouldn't be allowed to "rebuild" if that is what he thought the team should do?

This is in contrast to Gillis who had a contentious contract negotiations with Aquilini before he was fired - suggesting that Gilis wasn't allowed to do what he wanted to do. Even then, Gillis was given full autonomy from the start as he was reportedly not the type to take the GM job unless the situation was right. This is also in contrast to Linden who didn't really have his own ideas on building a Cup winner and was probably just happy to have the POHO job and refused to use the word rebuild.

Rutherford built the management team. He didn't hire a GM and let him do it. Was Linden not given the same autonomy? Was he not allowed to say keep Gilman and surround himself with someone other than TC Carling?

My point is that while the process may have been the same, the target is clearly different this time. He didn't hire a rookie POHO who hired a rookie GM who hired a rookie coach. Rutherford is a HOF builder and Boudreau is one of the most experienced head coaches around.
 
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F A N said:
That's part of the discussion isn't it? Who is setting the direction of the team? Who is responsible for establishing a winning culture? Through ownership on down sure, but the execution is all or at least mostly the POHO/GM no?

The point I made is that Aquilini seemingly went and begged Rutherford to take the job. Rutherford didn't need to sell ownership anything and was in a position to dictate his terms. So given the circumstances of Rutherford's hire, I fail to see how Rutherford wouldn't be allowed to "rebuild" if that is what he thought the team should do?

This is in contrast to Gillis who had a contentious contract negotiations with Aquilini before he was fired - suggesting that Gilis wasn't allowed to do what he wanted to do. Even then, Gillis was given full autonomy from the start as he was reportedly not the type to take the GM job unless the situation was right. This is also in contrast to Linden who didn't really have his own ideas on building a Cup winner and was probably just happy to have the POHO job and refused to use the word rebuild.

Rutherford built the management team. He didn't hire a GM and let him do it. Was Linden not given the same autonomy? Was he not allowed to say keep Gilman and surround himself with someone other than TC Carling?

My point is that while the process may have been the same, the target is clearly different this time. He didn't hire a rookie POHO who hired a rookie GM who hired a rookie coach. Rutherford is a HOF builder and Boudreau is one of the most experienced head coaches around.
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When the direction or lack there of stays the same with 3 different GM's (yes I'm including Gillis in this because he was handcuffed to this dumbass philosophy) it becomes an issue with ownership not POHO/GM.

Rutherford likely sold Aqualoonie on the re-tool, just like Benning did, because both knew that Aqualoonie wouldn't buy into a rebuild.

This has been widely reported that Gillis wanted to rebuild and Aqualoonie said no and that lead to Gillis eventually being fired. Linden wanted to rebuild too and wanted to stop going after and over paying free agents and making awful trades for quick fixes, again widely reported, and lead to Benning stabbing him in the back and Linden leaving.

It sure seemed like it but no, not really considering he left because he was handcuffed and saw the tire fire as it was coming.

Everything Rutherford has done is exactly the same, bad trades, signing big contracts, spending to the cap when we have no business doing so. Even the way the owner hired a coach before the GM was just backwards, again indicative of an owner that is too involved and that is totally clueless.

This is 100% an ownership problem.
 
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Nucklehead Supreme said:
Rutherford likely sold Aqualoonie on the re-tool, just like Benning did, because both knew that Aqualoonie wouldn't buy into a rebuild.
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I don't think there is evidence of that but if you're right then it's on Rutherford.

Don't get me wrong, I'm fully supportive of someone selling himself to get hired. I live in the real world. But my point is that based on Rutherford's presser, Aquilini was knocking on his door and begging him to take the job. It doesn't sound like a situation where Rutherford had to sell Aquilini anything.
 
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F A N said:
I don't think there is evidence of that but if you're right then it's on Rutherford.

Don't get me wrong, I'm fully supportive of someone selling himself to get hired. I live in the real world. But my point is that based on Rutherford's presser, Aquilini was knocking on his door and begging him to take the job. It doesn't sound like a situation where Rutherford had to sell Aquilini anything.
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Except what he obviously wanted to hear.
 
Its not hard to imagine the JR wanted to retool. Before he said what he wanted many suspected he would, with the age of Petey and Hughes.
 
The wreckage left behind by the former regime will reverberate for years. No cap space; terrible mix of long-term contracts for declining players; and a prospect pool hollowed out by trading a depressing number of high picks.

But the owner sat back and let this tomb be built brick by brick. So he deserves all the brickbats thrown at him.
 
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Bubbles said:
I like how someone still defends Delorme when I can't find any article crediting him with influence on any pick. And no, he didn't find Elias Pettersson, that was Inge Hammarstrom who was the first to bring him to the Canucks attention.

He's an alumni and FN so it would be a PR disaster if he was fired. But they should have shuffled him to a community relations job like Smyl long ago. Instead he's still got a seat at the scouts table and actually was there at the last Draft combine.

Death, Taxes and Delorme.
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I am unsure how you search for information but I came up with articles on both Delorme and Hammarstrom, as they relate to Pettersson.

theprovince.com

Ben Kuzma: Delorme delivered first hard sell to get Pettersson on Canucks' draft radar

Former Canucks winger turned scout was 'a loud voice' in support of landing elite Swede Elias Pettersson.
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“Ronnie saw him early and was a loud voice for him right from the start — even before any of us had seen him,” recalled Canucks general manager Jim Benning.

theathletic.com

LeBrun: The story behind how the Canucks ended up with Elias Pettersson at the 2017 NHL draft

Most fascinating already as we delight in every jaw-dropping moment of Elias Pettersson’s rookie NHL campaign is the idea that he somehow wasn’t more highly rated in his draft year.
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“We had (retired Canucks scout) Inge Hammarstrom that lives right in that region, so he saw him play a lot,” said Benning.

My take is that Delorme brought Pettersson's name to the attention of Benning. Because Hammerstom lived in Sweden, he was told to pay more attention to Pettersson prior to the NHL draft. I think some posters place too much importance on who did what first, and not enough on the end result ... that Pettersson was drafted by the Canucks.
 
Lol!....you try to imagine how surly the market would be in the center of the universe (TO) if their team had been in the lottery 8 out of 10 seasons......was firmly emmeshed in salary cap hell with no way out; had traded away a bushel-full of high draft picks; and had been run into the ground by the same GM for a decade.

The media there would be leading the parade with torches and pitchforks, and the owner would have been ridden out of town on the rails.

Alas, in Vancouver all we do is grumble and endure. A tough market? He has to be kidding, right? Sounds to me like Seixeiro hasn't left his grubby little hole on Bay Street for far too long.
 
joelCAMEL said:
I am unsure how you search for information but I came up with articles on both Delorme and Hammarstrom, as they relate to Pettersson.

theprovince.com

Ben Kuzma: Delorme delivered first hard sell to get Pettersson on Canucks' draft radar

Former Canucks winger turned scout was 'a loud voice' in support of landing elite Swede Elias Pettersson.
theprovince.com theprovince.com

“Ronnie saw him early and was a loud voice for him right from the start — even before any of us had seen him,” recalled Canucks general manager Jim Benning.

theathletic.com

LeBrun: The story behind how the Canucks ended up with Elias Pettersson at the 2017 NHL draft

Most fascinating already as we delight in every jaw-dropping moment of Elias Pettersson’s rookie NHL campaign is the idea that he somehow wasn’t more highly rated in his draft year.
theathletic.com theathletic.com

“We had (retired Canucks scout) Inge Hammarstrom that lives right in that region, so he saw him play a lot,” said Benning.

My take is that Delorme brought Pettersson's name to the attention of Benning. Because Hammerstom lived in Sweden, he was told to pay more attention to Pettersson prior to the NHL draft. I think some posters place too much importance on who did what first, and not enough on the end result ... that Pettersson was drafted by the Canucks.
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Here's the Swedish article on the whole Pettersson draft story.

Så lurade Vancouver alla – för att få Elias Pettersson

The only quotes about Delormes' involvement is he was at the Hlinka and agreed that Petey was someone to watch. Hammarstrom watched him for 2-3 years.

People hang onto that Delorme quote from Benning to a make it seem he was heavily involved in the scouting of Petey when that isn't true.

Somehow, people believe Delorme knew about Pettersson before our own Swedish scouts.
 
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EpochLink said:
When did he care? This f***ing asshole has hated Vancouver for years, guys butt hurt he lost his sports gig.

f*** Sid SHITxerio, cry to your mistress mother f***er
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When did he hate Vancouver? He probably has never even paid attention to Vancouver lol

And he chose to leave Tim & Sid. I imagine they did good numbers given their primetime slot.
 
@Bubbles, I gave you a quote about Delorme that is contrary to your belief, and you disregard it ... so be it. This is similar to your thinking that Brackett left the team and took his best USHL people to Minnesota. When questioned on who these people were, you declined to comment.
 
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