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me2 said:
According to that they have been meddling less and less. Sounds like most of the meddling was before Benning and way before Rutherford.
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I've always taken a softer stance to the issue of ownership meddling. There are obviously different degrees of ownership meddling. An owner vetoing trades is different from being actively involved in hockey operations to talking to the POHO/GM daily.

Carolina's owner seems to be actively involved in the decision making. He's the owner and implemented what he wants through Waddell on down rather than hiring a POHO/GM and letting him establish the culture and make all the decisions. We like to speculate how Torts was Aquilini's choice but there's no doubt that Carolina's owner hired B'rind Amour. Colorado handed the keys to Elway and Sakic when they have zero experience. Does it matter if the owner isn't meddling when they give final say to people who are objectively not qualified for the job? When it works nobody questions it.

I think the reality is that a team owner runs the team like an investment, a business, a hobby, or all of it. If any of us here become the Canucks' owner, how many of us would be completely hands off? If we're not in the room we for sure will want to know everything that is going on with the team. And as much as most of us want to say we'll hire someone competent and let him/her/they do their jobs, how many of us would not express our opinion if we have one? If you think a move is absolutely stupid will you really say nothing? And if you do say something would you not want your POHO/GM to convince you why they think it's not a stupid move?

What if Gillis came to you at the deadline and wanted to trade Kesler to the Penguins for Sutter, likely late 1st round pick, and Despres/Harrington? What would you do?

Don't get me wrong. I don't want ownership to "meddle" but the reality is that they are the ultimate arbiters of what goes on with the team since ownership are the ones evaluating the management team .
 
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My take is I don’t care much about meddling. I also like to play with the toys I own, so I can’t totally fault it…

As long as they learn from their mistakes, take advice and get better… also as long as they are not cheap…

They have shown absolutely zero ability to learn from mistakes, take advice or get better… and they are getting cheaper and cheaper…
 
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OliverEkmanLarceny said:
My take is I don’t care much about meddling. I also like to play with the toys I own, so I can’t totally fault it…

As long as they learn from their mistakes, take advice and get better… also as long as they are not cheap…

They have shown absolutely zero ability to learn from mistakes, take advice or get better… and they are getting cheaper and cheaper…
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I don’t disagree with what you’re saying but getting cheaper and cheaper isn’t correct seeing as we just hired the biggest front office in the NHL and are paying 2 head coach salaries plus 2 GM’s. We added a POHO and probably 3 or 4 additional assistant GM’s while also probably paying for Weisbrod still as well. Cheeping out isn’t the issue it’s employing the wrong people to run your Hockey team and them not having the foresight to look ahead.
 
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Buresflyingelbow said:
I don’t disagree with what you’re saying but getting cheaper and cheaper isn’t correct seeing as we just hired the biggest front office in the NHL and are paying 2 head coach salaries plus 2 GM’s. We added a POHO and probably 3 or 4 additional assistant GM’s while also probably paying for Weisbrod still as well. Cheeping out isn’t the issue it’s employing the wrong people to run your Hockey team and them not having the foresight to look ahead.
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Point taken… when I say cheap I mean not being excessively loose. As in why not buy out Bruce if the poho doesn’t want him. And money not being any sort of hindrance to getting better… buy outs, practice stadiums etc…

Cheap is a lazy way to put it and comparatively I am an absolute tightwad.But I do enjoy getting another pejorative in there…
 
Team management is in a shambles; the coach is living on borrowed time; and Aquilini was forced to fire everybody in mid-season last year; after giving Benning and company a 'vote of confidence'.

The franchise is rapidly becoming a joke around the NHL. I mean the second year Seattle Kraken have a brighter future after a season and half, than this version of the Canucks.

But it starts at the top.....he's a terrible owner presiding over a terrible on-ice product. And the only guy who doesn't know he has no clothes is the emperor.
 
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OliverEkmanLarceny said:
My take is I don’t care much about meddling. I also like to play with the toys I own, so I can’t totally fault it…

As long as they learn from their mistakes, take advice and get better… also as long as they are not cheap…

They have shown absolutely zero ability to learn from mistakes, take advice or get better… and they are getting cheaper and cheaper…
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What kind of mistakes should ownership be learning that they have shown zero ability to learn from? This time he hired an experience GM with relatively recent Stanley Cup pedigree to run the team and build a management team. Based on what Rutherford said in his intro presser, it sounded like Aquilini went and begged Rutherford to take the job. There's no Gillis getting Aquilini to hire him or a happy go lucky Trevor who is clearly out of his depth. I didn't come away from Rutherford's presser that Aquilini would rescind his offer if Rutherford demanded 100% autonomy and ability to undergo a 5 year rebuild.

Aquilini does seem to consistently place faith on his new hires only to lose it eventually. That's not an unusual approach as many of these owners sees themselves as some sort of saviors where the worse things are the more they need to be involved.

Obviously the process would be better if Aquilini actually interviewed people for the job but if he's not hiring some senior advisor to help with the process then it's just Aquilini deciding who he's going to hire. Is he going to hire a young bright mind with zero experience who thinks the best course is to do a proper rebuild, a guy who is willing to be his puppet, or will he hire a HOFer like Rutherford who sees it as a 2 year retool? At the end of the day, it's ownership making the decision.
 
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What kind of mistakes should ownership be learning that they have shown zero ability to learn from? This time he hired an experience GM with relatively recent Stanley Cup pedigree to run the team and build a management team. Based on what Rutherford said in his intro presser, it sounded like Aquilini went and begged Rutherford to take the job. There's no Gillis getting Aquilini to hire him or a happy go lucky Trevor who is clearly out of his depth. I didn't come away from Rutherford's presser that Aquilini would rescind his offer if Rutherford demanded 100% autonomy and ability to undergo a 5 year rebuild.

Aquilini does seem to consistently place faith on his new hires only to lose it eventually. That's not an unusual approach as many of these owners sees themselves as some sort of saviors where the worse things are the more they need to be involved.

Obviously the process would be better if Aquilini actually interviewed people for the job but if he's not hiring some senior advisor to help with the process then it's just Aquilini deciding who he's going to hire. Is he going to hire a young bright mind with zero experience who thinks the best course is to do a proper rebuild, a guy who is willing to be his puppet, or will he hire a HOFer like Rutherford who sees it as a 2 year retool? At the end of the day, it's ownership making the decision.
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I am going to assume your question wasn’t rhetorical…

I have bolded two mistakes you have posted that I think he needs to learn from…
 
AppleHoneySauce said:
How about Amar Doman as an owner. He seems to be starting strong with the lions.
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Relic (The Beachcombers) would be an even more trustworthy person than Fredo.:laugh:
 
racerjoe said:
Can I submit my own answer of Ryan Reynolds investment group? Or I would settle for even a Devan Sawa lead Investment group... Seth Rogan? There has to be a Vancouver Actor who I can count on...
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one of these days when they’re here filming tbeir netfix show, sarah chalke will convince katherine heigl to go in on the team and save us from the aquas

happy to let them rename the team the vancouver blonde doctors from the early 2000s
 
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gringo said:
Delorme’s role with the team is outside the rink. I don’t understand how people are having trouble with this. Are you all that title focussed?

Delorme hasn’t had a damn thing to do with any draft since 2008. Like cmon.
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It'd be cool if you could back up any of this.
 
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Wait. I thought it was old Ronnie Delorme who uncovered Elias Petterson, and now I'm being told he hasn't had a thing to do with scouting since 2008?
 
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F A N said:
What kind of mistakes should ownership be learning that they have shown zero ability to learn from? This time he hired an experience GM with relatively recent Stanley Cup pedigree to run the team and build a management team. Based on what Rutherford said in his intro presser, it sounded like Aquilini went and begged Rutherford to take the job. There's no Gillis getting Aquilini to hire him or a happy go lucky Trevor who is clearly out of his depth. I didn't come away from Rutherford's presser that Aquilini would rescind his offer if Rutherford demanded 100% autonomy and ability to undergo a 5 year rebuild.

Aquilini does seem to consistently place faith on his new hires only to lose it eventually. That's not an unusual approach as many of these owners sees themselves as some sort of saviors where the worse things are the more they need to be involved.

Obviously the process would be better if Aquilini actually interviewed people for the job but if he's not hiring some senior advisor to help with the process then it's just Aquilini deciding who he's going to hire. Is he going to hire a young bright mind with zero experience who thinks the best course is to do a proper rebuild, a guy who is willing to be his puppet, or will he hire a HOFer like Rutherford who sees it as a 2 year retool? At the end of the day, it's ownership making the decision.
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How about the last 10 years?

How about going from a model franchise to a f***ing laughing stock?

How about having absolutely no discernable direction to speak of for the last 10 years?

How about when your gm comes to you and says, we need to rebuild, you don't fire him and bring in two different management groups to do a seemingly never ending re-tool that has never worked and will never work?

Rutherford basically said they need to rebuild, but can't, hmmm wonder why that is........
 
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rypper said:
Wait. I thought it was old Ronnie Delorme who uncovered Elias Petterson, and now I'm being told he hasn't had a thing to do with scouting since 2008?
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Delorme hasn't run the draft table since Gillis promoted Eric Crawford over his head back in 2010. He retained the title of "Chief Amateur Scout" for many years but it seemed more out of deference to his long tenure with the club as a player and scout, and his stature with the First Nations community. I doubt that Delorme was the only person to scout the WHL and the vitriol he continues to inspire in some people is way over the top.
 
Nope, Ron Delorme is a joke

His BIO for years on the Canucks website before they took them down said he specialized in CHL scouting.

He sucks at his job.
That is his speciality
Hell he is the assistant coach for the CHL top prospects game in a few weeks.
 
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Breakers said:
Nope, Ron Delorme is a joke

His BIO for years on the Canucks website before they took them down said he specialized in CHL scouting.

He sucks at his job.
That is his speciality
Hell he is the assistant coach for the CHL top prospects game in a few weeks.
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Why would they change his bio if they already decided not to take away his title? I'm sure Delorme specialized in CHL scouting the way Dale Talon probably specializes in scouting Florida.
 
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