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[Rob Brown]

Just send Robertson down at this point.

 

[notdoneyet]

The problem they had in the playoffs was scoring, not D.

You are just making a big problem even worse.

They didn’t have bertuzzi domi in the playoffs and knies got hurt .
Compare that to bunting and Kerfoot as secondary scoring

Absolutely trade Willy for a good tough minute munching dman and watch out

you're right, we should trade the guy who just scored 40 goals to keep a kid who might score 40 points

Between bertuzzi domi and knives they will make up for the loss of Willy.
We need a better dman and only Willy can get us ghat
We can’t trade MM AM or JT

 

[rumman]

The problem they had in the playoffs was scoring, not D.

You are just making a big problem even worse.

The Leafs ahve been collectively so bad in the playoffs that 88 looks like a palyoff stud, let’s not kid ouselves, he’s no Glenn Anderson……..

 

[3headeddragon]

The Leafs ahve been collectively so bad in the playoffs that 88 looks like a palyoff stud, let’s not kid ouselves, he’s no Glenn Anderson……..

Yes but can we please find a Claude Lemieux. Just one royal a*****e

 

[Dreakmur]

The problem they had in the playoffs was scoring, not D.

You are just making a big problem even worse.

A big part of our inability to score came from our blueline’s inability to effectively move the puck up ice.

 

[Fogelhund]

A big part of our inability to score came from our blueline’s inability to effectively move the puck up ice.

and now we have Klingberg and Timmins who can do that.


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Patience folks. Teams aren't going to be trading a major D piece at this time of year. There aren't teams with excess D, of the quality you'd trade for Nylander. At this point, we are more likely going to need to wait until teams start falling out of the playoffs, are struggling, or have major injuries and are willing to make moves.

Plus we honestly don't know how our group will perform this season. Give McCabe a full year with the team, Klingberg some time to adjust, maybe Timmins can play a stretch without injury, let's see where Liljegren is at once the rust is off, if Brodie has actually declined, and what Gio has to contribute. Or if some Marlie surprises and becomes a force for us. I've wanted a physical partner for Rielly, a decent top pairing guy, but at this point, we have to wait... and it's prudent. This group is fine for regular season, and we have plenty of time to judge what changes might need to be made, and how we can accomplish that later in the year.

 

[LaPlante94]

and now we have Klingberg and Timmins who can do that.


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Patience folks. Teams aren't going to be trading a major D piece at this time of year. There aren't teams with excess D, of the quality you'd trade for Nylander. At this point, we are more likely going to need to wait until teams start falling out of the playoffs, are struggling, or have major injuries and are willing to make moves.

Plus we honestly don't know how our group will perform this season. Give McCabe a full year with the team, Klingberg some time to adjust, maybe Timmins can play a stretch without injury, let's see where Liljegren is at once the rust is off, if Brodie has actually declined, and what Gio has to contribute. Or if some Marlie surprises and becomes a force for us. I've wanted a physical partner for Rielly, a decent top pairing guy, but at this point, we have to wait... and it's prudent. This group is fine for regular season, and we have plenty of time to judge what changes might need to be made, and how we can accomplish that later in the year.

Tbh, the ideal situation would be getting Zadorov and Tanev from Calgary because I feel like those 2 fill out the D and fit in perfectly, especially for the kind of players Treliving wants back there.

Rielly-Tanev
McCabe-Klingberg
Zadorov-Liljegren/Timmins
Gio-Timmins/Liljegren

Only issue is making it work cap wise and other then Brodie who else do we involve in that trade? Jarnkrok would have to be involved on our side. Idk how LTIR works or trading guys who are on LTIR but does Murray getting put in the trade help both sides cap wise? Anyways, not gonna happen but just thinking out loud pretty much.

 

[notDatsyuk]

I don't think trying him out in preseason was ever meant to be taken as a guarantee he would start the season there.

I don't think playing him at wing in one practise (and maybe one game) is a guarantee he would start the season there either.

I think there's an awful lot of blowing things out of proportion to fit a particular agenda being practised by several posters (not directed at you).

 

[TheGroceryStick]

What’s the value on Trocheck+Schneider. In a Nylander trade ?

Cap saving being a solid plus as well

 

[Fogelhund]

Tbh, the ideal situation would be getting Zadorov and Tanev from Calgary because I feel like those 2 fill out the D and fit in perfectly, especially for the kind of players Treliving wants back there.

Rielly-Tanev
McCabe-Klingberg
Zadorov-Liljegren/Timmins
Gio-Timmins/Liljegren

Only issue is making it work cap wise and other then Brodie who else do we involve in that trade? Jarnkrok would have to be involved on our side. Idk how LTIR works or trading guys who are on LTIR but does Murray getting put in the trade help both sides cap wise? Anyways, not gonna happen but just thinking out loud pretty much.

But why does Calgary decimate their D, before the start of a season, where there is pressure to make the playoffs?

What’s the value on Trocheck+Schneider. In a Nylander trade ?

Cap saving being a solid plus as well

Islanders have no cap space to take on more cap. Schneider isn’t that good, surely we’d aim higher if doing a trade to improve the D.

 

[supermann_98]

With all these kids making it difficult to send them down there’s no better time to flip 88 for a quality D man……..

Sounds great in theory, but no team wants to just trade a quality D man. Not one who will impact a game as much as Willy does anyway.

 

[fahad203]

Minten is in an weird spot, ideally he should be playing in AHL

I think he's still another year away from competing for an NHL role.

 

[hockeynorth]

Has minten or cowan been better? IF Minten were on the roster I'd roll with this to start:

Bertuzzi - Matthews - Marner
Domi - Tavares - Robertson
Knies - Minten - Nylander
Lafferty - Kampf - Jarnkrok

 

[LeafsFan89]

I read they moved Nylander back to the wing... I do not want JT as a centre anymore lol. Too slow to do the job.

 

[Fogelhund]

I read they moved Nylander back to the wing... I do not want JT as a centre anymore lol. Too slow to do the job.

They only moved him temporarily, to give Minten more runway.

 

[LeafChief]

Not sure why everyone is freaking out. Keefe said in his presser that Nylander was moved to the wing at practice to get Minten some more reps in camp.

Minten has had a good camp for sure. Has it been jump off the page? Not really. But he's shown very well. He's likely going to get another exhibition game. I guess there is an outside chance that he gets a 9 game stint but I think it's more likely that they send him back to the WHL on a positive note. Tell him what to specifically work on and have him ina good spot to make the team next year.

If he can play his way onto the Canadian World Junior team this year, that would be a great feat in itself.

 

[VanW27]

you're right, we should trade the guy who just scored 40 goals to keep a kid who might score 40 points

The best argument for trading Nylander is to avoid an "own rental" situation abd lose him for nothing. Which is very likely what we're going to do

 

[Fogelhund]

The best argument for trading Nylander is to avoid an "own rental" situation abd lose him for nothing. Which is very likely what we're going to do

Very likely? Based on what?

 

[LeafsFan89]

The best argument for trading Nylander is to avoid an "own rental" situation abd lose him for nothing. Which is very likely what we're going to do

Who do you add for an expiring Nylander that makes us better in the playoffs than we are now by keeping Nylander?

 

[horner]

If Minten ( 10 game trial ) Holmberg and Gregor make the team

We could trade Jamcrock and Lafferty

Minten people woried that his true potential won't realize by staying . He will be learning from the best JT faceoffs mathews shooting etc.
Some players are better in the NHL, he could be one of them.

Not sure why everyone is freaking out. Keefe said in his presser that Nylander was moved to the wing at practice to get Minten some more reps in camp.

Minten has had a good camp for sure. Has it been jump off the page? Not really. But he's shown very well. He's likely going to get another exhibition game. I guess there is an outside chance that he gets a 9 game stint but I think it's more likely that they send him back to the WHL on a positive note. Tell him what to specifically work on and have him ina good spot to make the team next year.

If he can play his way onto the Canadian World Junior team this year, that would be a great feat in itself.

Minten like Holmberg they don't jump of the page but they play the right way.

 

[ULF_55]

Minten people woried that his true potential won't realize by staying . He will be learning from the best JT faceoffs mathews shooting etc.
Some players are better in the NHL, he could be one of them.

Minten like Holmberg they don't jump of the page but they play the right way.

Bruins should have sent Bergeron back, maybe he'd have won an Art Ross?

 

[supermann_98]

Minten is in an weird spot, ideally he should be playing in AHL

I think he's still another year away from competing for an NHL role.

He had 67 points in 57 games in the WHL, I wouldn't say he ideally should be playing in the AHL just yet. Let him take over from Stankoven this year as the #1 option in Kamloops and hopefully play for Canada at the WJC and next year he'll be either ready for a role on the Leafs and if not start with the Marlies.

If he played for the Marlies this year he would be a 2nd line guy. There's no reason to rush him right now

 

[Fogelhund]

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[Martin Skoula]

If you want Minten to get reps carrying an offense and maybe squeezing Kadri numbers out of him in 3-5 years then send him down. If you’re happy getting him to learn to be a Backes type elite 3rd liner/top 6 injury fill in then keep him up.

Imo his skills/IQ are good enough that he’s a few pounds of muscle and a season or two of experience from being a heavy Swiss Army knife match up 3C, the kind of piece we pay a lot to rent when they’re 29 and have a ton of miles on them instead of getting their energetic physical peaks for cheap.

You’re not really giving up on upside either, there’s always the option that there’s a Tom Wilson development arc where they learn to be high end top-6 complimentary pieces because they spent their learning years doing that instead of being a puck-dominant 20 year old running a junior team’s offense in a way that will never happen at the NHL level when there’s 10 million dollar guys ahead of you on the depth chart.

If we were a rebuilding team gambling on finding a 1C diamond in the rough, you 100% send him down. For us I think the focus is turning Knies, Cowan, Holmberg, Tverberg into high end middle-6 pieces as fast as possible.

 

[Folignos Helmet]

I'd like to see....
Bert - AM - JK
Knies - Nylander - Marner (play our Selke quality winger with a new C who may struggle on D)
Domi - Tavares - Lafferty
Gregor - Kampf - Reaves