Official 2023 NHL Draft Thread

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When I see Leonard I see a more skilled mike Richards (hopefully without the baggage that came later). A future leader with a solid all around game. I personally would not be mad with this pick but I'm sure others will but if he's there at 7 he's in orange and black.
 
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I like Leonard better than Benson & Dvorsky.

It’s unfortunate that Leonard happens to be a RH winger, the deepest part of the Flyers’ organization.
 
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You know, a certain player who was maybe 5’10” and weighed only 175 lbs who not particularly fast once got drafted by the Flyers. The dude never gave up on a play, thought 2-3 plays ahead, had a decent shot, but was a tremendous passer, forechecked like a madman, wasn’t afraid to stand in front of the net, and back-checked like there was no tomorrow. Hopefully we can find one like him in this draft……

Forgot elite face off winner and hacked the crap out of anyone.
wonder whether he would be top 5 these days?
 

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You know, a certain player who was maybe 5’10” and weighed only 175 lbs who not particularly fast once got drafted by the Flyers. The dude never gave up on a play, thought 2-3 plays ahead, had a decent shot, but was a tremendous passer, forechecked like a madman, wasn’t afraid to stand in front of the net, and back-checked like there was no tomorrow. Hopefully we can find one like him in this draft……

Forgot elite face off winner and hacked the crap out of anyone.
wonder whether he would be top 5 these days?
Giroux’s success is why a lot of us - and the Flyers we hope - are discussing a few players under 6’ for the 7OA, including Benson, Leonard, Moore, Michkov and Sandin Pellikka.
 
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Height really isn't an issue, but size/strength is, guys 5'10/5'11 who are built solid can use leverage to match up against bigger players.
Smaller guys (mass) are more limited, if you're 180 lbs, it's hard to anchor against a 210 lb D-man in dirty areas.

Problem with Benson is Flyers are already one of the smallest teams in the NHL.
As we've seen in the playoffs, the best teams balance "smurfs" with physical players, they'll have a couple smaller skilled players, but not so many that bigger physical teams can push them around.

Which doesn't mean don't take Benson. It does mean taking Benson probably dictates other moves to balance out the future top nine.
 

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If the Canadiens pass on David Reinbacher at #5 the Flyers should pick him at #7.

Reinbacher had some good numbers for Kloten in the swiss National League playing significant minutes and scoring at a rate that is surpassed only by Roman Josi at the same age.

Didn’t seem out of place during the world championships either.
 

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If the Canadiens pass on David Reinbacher at #5 the Flyers should pick him at #7.

Reinbacher had some good numbers for Kloten in the swiss National League playing significant minutes and scoring at a rate that is surpassed only by Roman Josi at the same age.

Didn’t seem out of place during the world championships either.

Depends on who is on the board at 7.

If either Benson or Michkov are there, they should be the pick.
 

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You know, a certain player who was maybe 5’10” and weighed only 175 lbs who not particularly fast once got drafted by the Flyers. The dude never gave up on a play, thought 2-3 plays ahead, had a decent shot, but was a tremendous passer, forechecked like a madman, wasn’t afraid to stand in front of the net, and back-checked like there was no tomorrow. Hopefully we can find one like him in this draft……

Forgot elite face off winner and hacked the crap out of anyone.
wonder whether he would be top 5 these days?
I know of a poster who would say he wouldn’t even get drafted
 
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Maurice of Orange

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Depends on who is on the board at 7.

If either Benson or Michkov are there, they should be the pick.
As others have stated Michkov would be a Pavel Brendl on the Flyers.

I would pass on Matvei, Benson on the other hand would be an excellent pick.

Some have questioned Benson’s size but that doesn’t matter as there are plenty of forwards in the NHL under 5’10” or 178cm, take 5’10”/178cm Konecny as an example.
 

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One of Michkov, Benson, Leonard will be there at 7. You take whoever is there. Keep it simple. Don’t draft for need and take a D like Reinbacher or a C like Dvorsky. Take the most skilled player with the highest upside.

And if someone above does something crazy and two happen to be available, you take them in this order

Michkov
Benson
Leonard
 

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As others have stated Michkov would be a Pavel Brendl on the Flyers.

I would pass on Matvei, Benson on the other hand would be an excellent pick.

Some have questioned Benson’s size but that doesn’t matter as there are plenty of forwards in the NHL under 5’10” or 178cm, take 5’10”/178cm Konecny as an example.

Anyone still questioning size in 2023 should be completely ignored, if not ridiculed.
 

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Anyone still questioning size in 2023 should be completely ignored, if not ridiculed.
The average NA male is 5'10 150, there is almost no one in the NHL that small.
In fact, there are few players under 180 lbs in the NHL.
Top ten list of undersized players
DeBrincat 5'7 165
Caufield 5'7 166
JG 5'9 157
Zuccarello 5'8 179
Atkinson 5'8 179
Spurgeon 5'9 168
Gourde 5'9 173
Sheary 5'9 179
Marchand 5'9 181
Marchessault 5'9 183
Gallagher 5'9 186
Garland 5'10 165
Girard 5'10 170
Bratt 5'10 175
Grzelcyk 5'10 176
Q Hughes 5'10 180
Arvidsson 5'10 185
Point 5'11 180
Guentzel 5'11 180
L Hughes 5'11 185
Aho 6'0 176
Verhaeghe 6'2 180

However, listed weights are often well below real weights.
Cates is listed at 6'1 165 by HR, 6'2 190 by the Flyers

Flyers 2022 TC roster:

Brink 5'8 166
Atkinson 5'8 176
Gendron 5'10 180
TK 5'10 187
Desnoyers 5'11 181
Avon 6'0 182
Frost 6'0 191

York 6'0 185
Zanetti 6'2 186
TDA 5'11 180

So you have to project an 18 year old to 22 years old.
 
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The average NA male is 5'10 150
Where the heck are you pulling that weight average from? There's no way the average male is 150 pounds in North America. Mexico, which is the lightest average weight for North American males, is an average of 167 pounds. Canada is 187 and the US 197.

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Measured average height, weight, and waist circumference for adults aged 20 and over
  • Men:
    Height in inches: 69.0
    Weight in pounds: 199.8
    Waist circumference in inches: 40.5
Here's everywhere, but using metric - Average height for men and women worldwide
 

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Where the heck are you pulling that weight average from? There's no way the average male is 150 pounds in North America. Mexico, which is the lightest average weight for North American males, is an average of 167 pounds. Canada is 187 and the US 197.

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Measured average height, weight, and waist circumference for adults aged 20 and over
  • Men:
    Height in inches: 69.0
    Weight in pounds: 199.8
    Waist circumference in inches: 40.5
Here's everywhere, but using metric - Average height for men and women worldwide

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Fat 50+ year old men are not the population that hockey players are chosen from.

Though it seems people have gotten fatter:
1959: male 5'8 151 [college men 20-25]
1960s: male 5'8 166
2020s: male 5'9 196 [20-39] 189 [20-29]

Guess we were just sexier than you slobs in my day!

Yeah, I'm sure it was sexy as hell when you and the other hairy-assed burnouts were writhing in the mud with your protest signs and your bongs.
 

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He works for the team. He's chummy chummy with just about everyone. I'm not saying he knows -- I'm saying he has a way of leaking thoughts, that he may have heard, masked as his own opinion. If everyone else knows nothing, Meltzer usually knows an iota above nothing.



Back to the idea yesterday of this seem taking the same archetypes over and over, Dvorsky is a shoot first sorta-center. I think Dvorsky is a bit more well rounded than someone like Gauthier, but credit where credit's due, Gauthier has legitimately plus traits whereas Dvorsky is more average-above average across the board. It's a center weak draft, so that's already flirting with danger. Like I've said: find the first non-elite center (defenseman too) pick in any draft and most times you've found the most questionable value pick (Hayton, Turcotte, Kotkaniemi, etc.). If I thought he was even Mason McTavish, the archetype described, I'd be more bullish.

I've seen him 5-6 times, and I just do not see elite skills. I had a point/game Robert Thomas as a top 10ish pick, so I don't need to hear the notion that I don't "like" players of that ilk. Frankly, Dvorsky has excellent box score stats, but I don't necessarily buy it watching him. I'd be curious to know about how much of his production is PP weighted. I generally stay away from highlights unless I want to see someone at their very best, but even Dvorsky's highlights are mostly routine plays, shots, rebounds, etc. It’s exactly what he looks like in a full game. This is what middle 6 prospects look like.
Dvorsky and Reinbacher are probably the 2 most overrated players in this draft.

And now I’m sure we’ll take one of them at 7.


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