Official 2023 NHL Draft Thread

[ValeriKamensky]

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Remember what wins in the playoffs.

Of course everyone remember

 

[FLYguy3911]

Of course everyone remember

It's ok buddy. We'll protest the results of that Conn Smythe. Trophy is bigger than him!

 

[Kelmitchell2]

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Huge no thanks on dvorsky lol

 

[Tripod]

Of course everyone remember

Now do their defense. No one under 6'3. Big and mobile....the new NHL

 

[BigToe]

 

[deadhead]

Small skilled players have a place, but how many?
Vegas had two mobile skilled D-men, and one "smurf" on offense.

Flyers have TK, Atkinson, Frost, Brink at forward, Farabee unless he adds strength this summer.
York, Andrae, Sanheim, Zamula.

Flyers don't need more "undersized, less physical" skilled players, they need better ones.

 

[Rebels57]

Is it Grak-in or Grace-in? Or maybe the r is silent.

I assume it's Grace-in, which is very unfortunate.

 

[Columbus Hockey Dad]

Small skilled players have a place, but how many?
Vegas had two mobile skilled D-men, and one "smurf" on offense.

Flyers have TK, Atkinson, Frost, Brink at forward, Farabee unless he adds strength this summer.
York, Andrae, Sanheim, Zamula.

Flyers don't need more "undersized, less physical" skilled players, they need better ones.

It would be an enormous mistake to draft players at the very beginning of a rebuild based on what's here now. You draft players who you believe have the most talent and go from there. I don't care if they're midgets or enormous...the most talent possible.

 

[pit]

Small skilled players have a place, but how many?

12.75 is the scientifically agreed upon figure for the optimal number of small skilled players on a team.

Thank you for coming to my TED talk.

 

[macleish1974]

Loved the analysis....

His half board acumen is awe inspiring........many players are stationary while his movement there is beyond reproach. Selke???? Can't hurt can it???
I'd be glad all over if the Flyers pick him



1963-64

In junior high, all the girls in class, would write on their canvas notebooks: "I love the Beatles or Dave Clark Five". After class or school the girls would argue who was better but we [ the guys] would snicker 'cause we knew that the Rolling Stones or the Beach Boys were the " 'manly man' music". Still girl groups were popular: witness the Shangri-Las and Motown and Soul were starting to come to fore too. Happier times but Vietnam War was over the horizon,

 

[Rebels57]

If the Flyers pass on Benson at 7 for anyone other than Michkov, i'm going on a stabbing spree.

 

[Larry44]

Now do their defense. No one under 6'3. Big and mobile....the new NHL

Big, skilled and mobile is better than small & slow or big slow puck butchers. You can have smaller D and win, but they have to be really good.

What struck me about the final was that Florida beat Boston by running over their smaller D, then Toronto and Carolina. The Panthers looked like killers. Then against Vegas, guys like Bennett, Duclair and Cousins were trying to hit, but just bouncing off the Knights like Bantams playing against men.

 

[deadhead]

It would be an enormous mistake to draft players at the very beginning of a rebuild based on what's here now. You draft players who you believe have the most talent and go from there. I don't care if they're midgets or enormous...the most talent possible.

"Size" is a "skill," if a player knows how to use it, just like skating or shooting or passing.
Problem I had with Voracek, JVR and Hayes is they had size, but didn't take advantage of it.
Compare to say Tkachuk.

You draft for a combination of attributes, but you also have to keep in mind how your team shapes up down the road, though by going BPA, you can accumulate assets you can trade to improve the balance on your team.

 

[Columbus Hockey Dad]

"Size" is a "skill," if a player knows how to use it, just like skating or shooting or passing.
Problem I had with Voracek, JVR and Hayes is they had size, but didn't take advantage of it.
Compare to say Tkachuk.

You draft for a combination of attributes, but you also have to keep in mind how your team shapes up down the road, though by going BPA, you can accumulate assets you can trade to improve the balance on your team.

This is my whole point. You should always be drafting the BPA. I don't care what size, what position, you always go with the guy you think has the best upside and will be the best player. You can always make trades later if you have too many guys at a position, or too many "little" guys. Lets just start with getting talent on the team for now.

 

[deadhead]

Loved the analysis....

His half board acumen is awe inspiring........many players are stationary while his movement there is beyond reproach. Selke???? Can't hurt can it???
I'd be glad all over if the Flyers pick him



1963-64

In junior high, all the girls in class, would write on their canvas notebooks: "I love the Beatles or Dave Clark Five". After class or school the girls would argue who was better but we [ the guys] would snicker 'cause we knew that the Rolling Stones or the Beach Boys were the " 'manly man' music". Still girl groups were popular: witness the Shangri-Las and Motown and Soul were starting to come to fore too. Happier times but Vietnam War was over the horizon,

Motown? Had some girl groups, Smokey was a bit androgynous, but Levi Stubbs was as "manly" as they come.

What Motown had was song writing sophistication at the level of the Brill building, combined with a house band that could kick any 60s rock band to the curb. The only rivals were the Stax house band and the LA wrecking crew. Given the era, they had to rely on innuendo, but they stole from the blues and cleaned it up, not in a Pat Boone white wash, but with the polish that was more common in Broadway musicals and Tin Pan alley than Black music. But lust was the undercurrent.

 

[renberg]

Big, skilled and mobile is better than small & slow or big slow puck butchers. You can have smaller D and win, but they have to be really good.

What struck me about the final was that Florida beat Boston by running over their smaller D, then Toronto and Carolina. The Panthers looked like killers. Then against Vegas, guys like Bennett, Duclair and Cousins were trying to hit, but just bouncing off the Knights like Bantams playing against men.

Gretzky said the fastest thing on the ice was the puck. Guys who are good at giving and taking passes don’t have to be skating burners. Benson’s ability to move the puck should counter his so called lack of speed.

 

[BernieParent]

Full list. Not sure you can take much from it, but historically the Flyers board has been eerily similar to his. I don't remember what he thought of Farabee, but every 1st pick going back to Morin, he was pretty much the high man on. I think he's buddies with Dennis Patterson.

Craig's List: Plenty of intrigue surrounding Matvei Michkov ahead of NHL Draft | TSN

Connor Bedard is the runaway favourite to be taken first overall by the Blackhawks on June 28 in Nashville but don’t be surprised if Matvei Michkov ends up being the biggest talking point.

www.tsn.ca

Awful list.

 

[DrinkFightFlyers]

Why isn't there as much love for Gabe Perrault as there seemingly should be? Are there just better options or is there some flaw in his game that I'm not paying enough attention to? I've seen him go as high as 7 in some mocks to the late teens in others. I'd be cool with him at 7 and then taking either a projectable center or a defenseman at 22.

 

[Rebels57]

Why isn't there as much love for Gabe Perrault as there seemingly should be? Are there just better options or is there some flaw in his game that I'm not paying enough attention to? I've seen him go as high as 7 in some mocks to the late teens in others. I'd be cool with him at 7 and then taking either a projectable center or a defenseman at 22.

Why should there be love for Perreault at 7?

 

[Larry44]

Gretzky said the fastest thing on the ice was the puck. Guys who are good at giving and taking passes don’t have to be skating burners. Benson’s ability to move the puck should counter his so called lack of speed.

Benson should be OK at the NHL level. There are a few of his type who are smaller and not blindingly fast, e.g. Kucherov. What Gretzky says is true, but you have to play defense too and if you can't catch your man, or stop him if you do, you become a liability - esp on D, unless you're smart like Kimmo.

The Flyers have some good big kids coming at F and on D, rangy and filling out, e.g. Zamula, Attard and I guess we'll see about Grans, to go with York and Andrae. Sanheim has good size and can really skate. He counts as one. One down, 5 to go...

 

[CutOnDime97]

Why should there be love for Perreault at 7?

His playmaking and hockey sense are near the best in this class IMO

 

[Unger9]

In my eyes the likelihood that Flyers come away with Dvorsky from the draft has shot up, given rumors about teams in front of them. And I'm not worried about it. I think he may be one of those players that's more than the sum.. more effective than eye grabbing. His shot is probably underrated. His SHL club was also one of the better in the league, so he likely had a lot of depth above him

Leonard is still possible if Reinbacher/Michkov are off the board

 

[DrinkFightFlyers]

Why should there be love for Perreault at 7?

Every scouting report I've seen seems to indicate he is a very high IQ kind of player who can score and make plays. He also racked up a ton of points this year on a team that featured other big name players that are talked about at or before #7. Seems like his size maybe is a factor. Only real knock I have seen is his skating, which doesn't sound or look terrible just isn't elite. Is there something I am missing? I'm not going to pretend like I have seen a ton of his live play so if my perception is wrong that's fine, just from everything I am reading and seeing it seems like he should be in the mix at #7.

 

[FLYguy3911]

Relevant draft discussion thread.

 

[deadhead]

I don't think there's a "formula."

Maybe the closest to one is you need balance, some skilled forwards, some mobile puck moving defensemen, some above average bottom six energy guys, some physical D-men who can protect the goalie.

One reason for balance is you play four series, and odds are you'll face different styles of play, so you need to be able to matchup against different teams.
Outskate weak teams, stand toe to toe with physical teams, crowd the blue paint against hot goalies, etc.

Few teams are so talented they can win on talent alone, most teams have to have grit, smarts, and play good fundamental hockey to win with the talent they have.