Off Season Thread: Kings Roster Moves

[Buddy The Elf]

My friend gave me a Peter Mueller game used stick the other day. It must be an omen!

The curve on his stick is so wicked it is unusable. I don't think you could possibly shoot the puck on the ground with it. I don't understand how players can use a stick like that. If you threw it hard enough, it would probably come back to you.

 

[Basilisk]

Watching the tough guys like Nolan, Clifford and Andreoff over the past few years in both the pre-season, rookie games and regular season, I think Andreoff has more potential than all.

Clifford sadly, has peaked. He also isn't the fighter he once was because of 2 concussions. Nolan has emerged as good fighter but his play has slipped and he went from an everyday player during the first cup run to a healthy scratch.

I'd love to swap Clifford for Frattin..... Frattin *almost* scored about 14 times...... his timing will soon make him a 20-goal scorer. The same will sadly never be said about Clifford.....

And Frattin's still cheap!! Two years @ $800,000 per year!!!

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

I'd love to swap Clifford for Frattin..... Frattin *almost* scored about 14 times...... his timing will soon make him a 20-goal scorer. The same will sadly never be said about Clifford.....

And Frattin's still cheap!! Two years @ $800,000 per year!!!

Please tell me you are joking.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

I'm honestly a bit perplexed by these types of pro-Andreoff posts. Guys a decent 3rd liner in the AHL but at the beginning of the year he was arguably 4-5 players down on the call-up list (after Pearson, Toffali, Vey, and even maybe Shore or Deslauriers). Clifford/Nolan/King are are noticeably better players by any real classification of hockey be it scoring, physicality, or defense. I suppose if 3+ players get injured be may get a shot on the 4th line. But as far as I'm concerned Shore is the next likely call-up.

We might have found the new Petr Kanko.

 

[HYORI 1963]

I'm honestly a bit perplexed by these types of pro-Andreoff posts. Guys a decent 3rd liner in the AHL but at the beginning of the year he was arguably 4-5 players down on the call-up list (after Pearson, Toffali, Vey, and even maybe Shore or Deslauriers). Clifford/Nolan/King are are noticeably better players by any real classification of hockey be it scoring, physicality, or defense. I suppose if 3+ players get injured be may get a shot on the 4th line. But as far as I'm concerned Shore is the next likely call-up.

Well, Andreoff is no longer waiver exempt, so, what do you suppose that we do? Should we waive him anyways and watch him get claimed? I'm looking at this situation from a business perspective. I think you're seeing it from a fan's perspective.

And btw, Des was traded last year for McNabb.

 

[Herby]

Well, Andreoff is no longer waiver exempt, so, what do you suppose that we do? Should we waive him anyways and watch him get claimed? I'm thinking at this situation from a business perspective. I think you're seeing it from a fan's perspective.

And btw, Des was traded last year for McNabb.

This happens on every single team board, fans are convinced that if they waive one of their tweener AHL/NHL guys after camp that they will be for sure claimed by another team. The reality is, most of the time those guys aren't claimed, especially if they project only as 4th liners.

I think it's mostly because teams don't want to effect team chemistry by bringing in a new fringe player and waiving their own fringe player who has not only been in camp for 3 weeks but likely "paid his dues" in the teams system. It's also because there will be a dozens Andy Andreoff caliber players on waivers the first week of October, so the odds are even if a bottom feeder is looking to improve their depth they will look elsewhere.

Remember the waiver draft back in the day? Was always a somewhat big news event and it was rare if anyone was ever taken in it.

 

[HYORI 1963]

This happens on every single team board, fans are convinced that if they waive one of their tweener AHL/NHL guys after camp that they will be for sure claimed by another team. The reality is, most of the time those guys aren't claimed, especially if they project only as 4th liners.

I think it's mostly because teams don't want to effect team chemistry, but it's also because there will be a dozens Andy Andreoff caliber players on waivers the first week of October, so the odds are even if a bottom feeder is looking to improve their depth they will look elsewhere.

Disagree. Surprised?

My thinking is why even take the risk? Guys like King, Nolan, and Clifford have some trade value. Not to mention that they all make (or will make in King's situation) more than AA. So, why not be fiscally smart about it, and get something for one of those guys and give AA an opportunity?

Besides, if and when a big guy like AA gets waived from a SC Champion team like the Kings, you bet the rest of the nhl will take notice.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

This happens on every single team board, fans are convinced that if they waive one of their tweener AHL/NHL guys after camp that they will be for sure claimed by another team. The reality is, most of the time those guys aren't claimed, especially if they project only as 4th liners.

I think it's mostly because teams don't want to effect team chemistry by bringing in a new fringe player and waiving their own fringe player who has not only been in camp for 3 weeks but likely "paid his dues" in the teams system. It's also because there will be a dozens Andy Andreoff caliber players on waivers the first week of October, so the odds are even if a bottom feeder is looking to improve their depth they will look elsewhere.

Remember the waiver draft back in the day? Was always a somewhat big news event and it was rare if anyone was ever taken in it.

This brings back memories of Jon Sim and how upset Kings fans were to lose him. Brandon Segal as well.

 

[Herby]

Well again, I feel like you are just overrating a tweener NHL/AHL player like most fans do and are ready to dump off guys who have been Kings for multiple years and won multiple SC's (although only King played in both) to keep a fourth line player who may not be NHL ready on the off chance he is claimed on waivers when there are literally dozens of other players available should a bottom feeder be looking to pick up.

McNabb is a different story, and I have said that before, he will 100% make the team because there is no chance he would clear waivers.

 

[HYORI 1963]

This brings back memories of Jon Sim and how upset Kings fans were to lose him. Brandon Segal as well.

Except back then, the Kings pretty much sucked ass, so, anyone that was waived by the kings wasn't worth a claim. And in case you haven't noticed, we're an elite team now.

And from the Mayor:

Andreoff’s new contract is a two-way deal that will pay him $550,000 in the NHL and $60,000 in the AHL (with a $67,500 guarantee). It is important to remember though, in order for Andreoff to be sent to the AHL, he would first have to clear waivers – and we don’t see that as a possibility.

 

[goosh]

This happens on every single team board, fans are convinced that if they waive one of their tweener AHL/NHL guys after camp that they will be for sure claimed by another team. The reality is, most of the time those guys aren't claimed, especially if they project only as 4th liners.

I think it's mostly because teams don't want to effect team chemistry by bringing in a new fringe player and waiving their own fringe player who has not only been in camp for 3 weeks but likely "paid his dues" in the teams system. It's also because there will be a dozens Andy Andreoff caliber players on waivers the first week of October, so the odds are even if a bottom feeder is looking to improve their depth they will look elsewhere.

Remember the waiver draft back in the day? Was always a somewhat big news event and it was rare if anyone was ever taken in it.

Agreed. I doubt Andreoff would be claimed. 29 other teams are waiving players and if a team claims a player he must remain on the NHL roster for 30 days minimum.

But it seems Lombardi and Co. is intent on not losing him.

 

[HYORI 1963]

Agreed. I doubt Andreoff would be claimed. 29 other teams are waiving players and if a team claims a player he must remain on the NHL roster for 30 days minimum.
But it seems Lombardi and Co. is intent on not losing him.

That's because they understand good asset management.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Except back then, the Kings pretty much sucked ass, so, anyone that was waived by the kings wasn't worth a claim. And in case you haven't noticed, we're an elite team now.

And from the Mayor:

Andreoff’s new contract is a two-way deal that will pay him $550,000 in the NHL and $60,000 in the AHL (with a $67,500 guarantee). It is important to remember though, in order for Andreoff to be sent to the AHL, he would first have to clear waivers – and we don’t see that as a possibility.

And the Kings are a deeper and better team now and waiving a player with zero games of NHL experience isn't as big of a deal as some people are making it out to be. They waived Thomas Hickey. People last year had similar concerns with them waiving Bodnarchuk.

If there isn't room for the player, Lombardi isn't going to force his own hand into making a rash decision. I'd rather have Clifford than Andreoff, at least we know Clifford can play in the NHL. I would be indifferent if they moved Nolan though since his spot in the lineup will be in the press box.

 

[HYORI 1963]

And the Kings are a deeper and better team now and waiving a player with zero games of NHL experience isn't as big of a deal as some people are making it out to be. They waived Thomas Hickey. People last year had similar concerns with them waiving Bodnarchuk.

If there isn't room for the player, Lombardi isn't going to force his own hand into making a rash decision. I'd rather have Clifford than Andreoff, at least we know Clifford can play in the NHL. I would be indifferent if they moved Nolan though since his spot in the lineup will be in the press box.

That is just horrible asset management. You trade value for value. You don't just toss away an asset like AA, after you've spent a 3rd round pick and 3 years of teaching kings hockey.

As for Hickey and Bods...these guys are around 5'10 180 lbs. Andreoff is 6'1 215lbs. Andreoff will be replacing someone on the 4th line. You guys make it sound like he's being asked to replace Carter.

Edit: if we were to trade Clifford, we could probably get something close to a 2nd pick. So, ask yourselves, would you rather have Clifford, and waive Andreoff, or would you rather have a 2nd, Andreoff and save 500K in salary cap?

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

If Andreoff replaces anyone, it is Nolan, not Clifford. Andreoff isn't guaranteed a spot on the roster, just as how a former 1st round pick in 2007 wasn't guaranteed a spot.

Going with that line of thinking, the Kings should have traded Martinez or Muzzin to clear up room for Hickey rather than waiving him.

 

[HYORI 1963]

No, because Hickey's a SAH dman at 5'10. Amart and Muzzin are bigger and are PMD and a hybrid dman respectively.

edit: besides, the right move would have been to waive Ellerby, and retain Hickey, but what's done is done. Proof, Deano loves his boys big.

 

[Reclamation Project]

I'd love to swap Clifford for Frattin..... Frattin *almost* scored about 14 times...... his timing will soon make him a 20-goal scorer. The same will sadly never be said about Clifford.....

And Frattin's still cheap!! Two years @ $800,000 per year!!!

 

[Johnny Utah]

Andreoff can play all forward positions. He shoots LW.

Kings are weak on LW, so the reality is they will keep Clifford. Nolan is a RW, Kings are deep at this position.

I would think they would keep Andreoff based on just that, he is versatile, younger (23) and cheaper.

 

[driller1]

No, because Hickey's a SAH dman at 5'10. Amart and Muzzin are bigger and are PMD and a hybrid dman respectively.

edit: besides, the right move would have been to waive Ellerby, and retain Hickey, but what's done is done. Proof, Deano loves his boys big.

Hickey was waived at the end of camp, well before Ellerby even showed up. Remember, Greene hurt his back first game of the season and it was unclear Mitchell would be out all year and we hadn't traded for Rogehr yet.

 

[damacles1156]

The Kings will have no problem waiving Andy, I am pretty sure he would pass through waivers as well.

Bodnarchuck is one of the best AHL defenders in the entire AHL. He has passed waivers twice.

 

[Captain Ron]

I am not very confident he would pass through. The fact that the Kings are the defending Stanley Cup champions and that their players are coming up through a very successful development system has a lot of value to other GMs. I could see at least 2 or 3 GMs taking a chance on him because of that alone.

 

[kovacro]

Remember the waiver draft back in the day? Was always a somewhat big news event and it was rare if anyone was ever taken in it.

There was actually a decent amount of activity almost every year since it's inception, especially in the mid-80's.

I remember it as kind of being the unofficial kick off to the start of the new season as it was always held a few days before the start of it.

Interesting link to the history of the draft and with an overview of each year it was conducted with a story or two.

http://historicalhockey.blogspot.ca/2013/11/the-nhl-waiver-draft-origins-and-rules.html

I actually remember this happening..oh those sneaky Flyers.

"On September 28, mere days before the draft, the Flyers traded goalie Pete Peeters and forward Keith Acton to the Jets for future considerations. The Jets had a young team and could protect Peeters and Acton without sacrificing any of their other players. On October 3, the day after the draft, the Jets traded Peeters and Acton back to the Flyers for a draft pick and other considerations. (Specifically, the Jets received the Maple Leafs' fifth round pick in the 1991 Entry Draft (which the Flyers had acquired on Sept. 9 in a trade for Mark Laforest—the Jets used the pick on Finnish defenceman Juha Ylonen) and the future considerations in another previous trade involving Shawn Cronin were cancelled.) The others teams immediately cried foul; it was obvious that the Flyers 'stashed' Peeters and Acton with the Jets in order to prevent them from being eligible for selection.

The NHL investigated the matter and on December 2, after two months of internal deliberations, President John Ziegler fined both the Flyers and Jets $10,000 each for using the guise of trades to loan players and keep them from being taken in the waiver draft. The trades were not rescinded: the Flyers kept Peeters and Acton and the Jets kept the draft pick they were given.

In 1990 the waiver draft rules were amended such that any players traded by a club in the four weeks preceding the waiver draft were not allowed to be reacquired by that club in the season that followed."

 

[saintsnsoldiers]

I am not very confident he would pass through. The fact that the Kings are the defending Stanley Cup champions and that their players are coming up through a very successful development system has a lot of value to other GMs. I could see at least 2 or 3 GMs taking a chance on him because of that alone.

This is my thought as well. This cant be overlooked. Out develpment system has proven to work and work well. We have been able to slot in 2 rookies for both cup wins. GMs pay attention. Andy's size and his upside are just to big to pass through waviers.

 

[damacles1156]

Bodnarchuck might be the best player in Manchester, you could argue that.

He has passed through twice, and is a Defender(hardest position to play).

Certainly better than Andy. Bods is not exactly small either, or old or expensive.

 

[HYORI 1963]

It just doesn't make sense to take the risk of losing one of your assets when you don't have to. Heck, worse case scenario, have AA as our HS and create some cap space. Having said that, I'm sure AA replacing Nolan or Clifford isn't going to jeopardize our season.