Blue Jays Discussion: Off-Season Pt V: Spring(er) has Sprung: Jays sign OF George Springer (6y/$150m)

[Oskar The Groucho]

I agree with Bauer and Walker. But I believe Hand is not a necessity after acquiring both Yates and Chatwood. It would be wasted resources.

From what I am hearing, the Jays are aggressively in talks this afternoon on trades for a SP and INF combo. I have no specifics other then meetings are booked from 130-430 this afternoon and these meetings include Atkins, Shapiro and Montoyo.

From an INF free agent perspective, Im also being told that talks have commenced again with Didi Gregorious. What this means I do not know. Is he being looked at for SS? 2B? or 3B. Not known. But as it was reported last off season the Jays were in heavy talks with Didi camp and at the time Bichette was willing to move off of SS if he was acquired.

Lets see if this leads to anything.

Curious how you got this source must be someone within rogers center. That's so cool btw

Anyways. I can see how we can fit Didi in the fold. His power LH bat would fit in nicely into the mix, but I think it would involve a 3-4 year deal for him at $12-15 per no?

 

[BlueForever75]

I can see Hand as a hit of a wasted resource but at the same time you can never have enough pen options, especially if Yates has issues.

I do hope you are right. We NEED starting pitching and a 3rd baseman. If we could get a top line starter, infielder, and a solid 4th starter we would be so set.

I dont have to state this and there is no insider information here as we have seen plenty of Walker tweets. But there is definite interest and dialogue happening on that front.

 

[Blitzkrug]

Wonder who the pitcher is if that claim is legit?

 

[BAM]

That would be a fantastic target. Probably be made available at this years trade deadline if A's are out of it. If not a potential trade next off season.

The Jays do have to monitor how this season goes for some of their prospects especially Groshans and Martin. With the Springer signing, my bet is that Martin gets a lot more reps at 3rd, SS and 2nd this season then the OF. If both Groshans and Martin are deemed ready in the not too distant future getting a 3rd basemen may be a moot point.

The Jays can then focus their financial resources to other areas like SP and BP. The goal ultimately should be grooming our in house prospects to the point we have control over them very cheap while spending dollars in other areas. With Bichette, Guerrero, Biggio, Jansen and Gurriel you have the makings of great young core. Adding Martin and Groshans would be huge with some of the vets like Springer and Hernandez.

Definitely something to keep an eye on over the next 12 months.

Yeah that's why I'm not sure I make the deal. On the other hand, Chapman is a 2x 8 WAR player...if everything goes right for Martin and Groshans they might become the player Chapman is. For me specifically, he's one of my favourite players (Chapman) and with his age (27, same as Gurriel) and the fact that he's in my opinion the best defensive 3B and overall 3B in the game. Pushes Vladdy Jr to 1st as well improving the overall defence of the team (I think Vladdy can handle 3B but he's not going to be Chapman-like out there).

 

[leafsfan2point0]

How much would it cost to retain Walker?

 

[TopChedder]

How much would it cost to retain Walker?

I was thinking the same thing.

If I am the Jay's I sign this guy to anchor the bottom of my rotation. 3rd or 4th starter. We always talk about rolling out the top 3 starters, but the 4th and 5th are also important.

 

[TopChedder]

Yeah that's why I'm not sure I make the deal. On the other hand, Chapman is a 2x 8 WAR player...if everything goes right for Martin and Groshans they might become the player Chapman is. For me specifically, he's one of my favourite players (Chapman) and with his age (27, same as Gurriel) and the fact that he's in my opinion the best defensive 3B and overall 3B in the game. Pushes Vladdy Jr to 1st as well improving the overall defence of the team (I think Vladdy can handle 3B but he's not going to be Chapman-like out there).

Chapman would be a dream! I actually think Martin has a chance to become that level of player. Not saying it's a huge chance or high chance, but Martin could be massive for us.

 

[ER89]

Except for the fact that "insiders" on this board/website actually have to verify their status with the moderators if my memory serves me correct. I think chuckwoods had to do something similar.

These threads actually contain insightful information on the Jays compared to other platforms (for the most part), rather not see it turn into Eklund Blue jays edition.

thats where we differ. I don't mind it and welcome the rumours.

 

[ER89]

Yeah, my point wasn't very clear at all.

Personally, I don't mind what happened with Hazel Mae that much because she obviously has reliable sources and something got mixed up along the way. She made a mistake (either in reporting improperly or trusting the wrong person). Whatever.

So one is someone making a mistake while trying to do her job, and the other is someone (in my opinion) intentionally misleading people into believing he has inside information. The standards are (and should be) much higher for an actual reporter, but I think intent matters here.

And I obviously could ignore, but I would rather not because we usually have a lot of good discussions. We disagree a lot, but there's normally plenty of back and forth discussion involved in those disagreements. Now all of a sudden it goes from opinions on players and/or evidence-based discussions to "actually my sources tell me" and "the thinking around the league is..."

Thats a fair response. I get that. But you think this guy's just straight up lying?

 

[SeaOfBlue]

Thats a fair response. I get that. But you think this guy's just straight up lying?

Especially when numerous "legit" insiders have said and fallen for the exact same trap? If anything, I think this proves him to be even more legitimate.

 

[Kurtz]

Especially when numerous "legit" insiders have said and fallen for the exact same trap? If anything, I think this proves him to be even more legitimate.

Did he report this before those insiders did?

 

[Avilaj07]

Sign Bauer
Trade Roark,Tellez and Martinez to Reds for Maustakus and Gray

C-Jansen
1st-Vlad
2nd-Biggio
SS- Bichette
3rd- Maustakus
LF- Gurriel
CF- Springer
RF- Grichuk
DH- Teo

1-Bauer
2-Ryu
3-Gray
4-Pearson
5- Ray

 

[Discoverer]

Thats a fair response. I get that. But you think this guy's just straight up lying?

I don't have a clue. But I think it's really weird and suspicious that he went from discussing the team just like the rest of us, with some really extreme and over-the-top opinions and reactions (and I don't mean that in a bad way - passion is good!) to a far more measured tone and prefacing everything with "my sources say" and "I'm hearing", and that that change happened literally over night.

 

[stickty111]

Did he report this before those insiders did?

Don't think so. He said it was done a month ago only after the report that we had signed him to a 3 year deal.
This one is old but during the Nylander contract stuff, he said a deal was close which was in October or something, but we all know Nylander signed on the deadline. He said his source was Kyper.
Count me in as being suspicious.

 

[Discoverer]

Did he report this before those insiders did?

He didn't. He started citing his "sources" after rumours were already out that Brantley had signed, starting with the Atlanta reporter hours before. And ultimately that one was wrong, despite how certain he was. All the other "rumours" he's been hearing are impossible to substantiate one way or the other.

I mean... he went from explaining why adding Springer and Brantley doesn't make sense one day to telling us a Brantley deal had been in place for a month the next day.

 

[phillipmike]

2021 Prospects: The Top 101 - Baseball Prospectus

22. Austin Martin
35. Nate Pearson
41. Jordan Groshans
101. Alejandro Kirk

 

[Oskar The Groucho]

Sign Bauer
Trade Roark,Tellez and Martinez to Reds for Maustakus and Gray

C-Jansen
1st-Vlad
2nd-Biggio
SS- Bichette
3rd- Maustakus
LF- Gurriel
CF- Springer
RF- Grichuk
DH- Teo

1-Bauer
2-Ryu
3-Gray
4-Pearson
5- Ray

I just don't see how you don't Include a Biggio or Groshans in that. I would do a Roark+Tellez+ though

 

[GoonieFace]

He didn't. He started citing his "sources" after rumours were already out that Brantley had signed, starting with the Atlanta reporter hours before. And ultimately that one was wrong, despite how certain he was. All the other "rumours" he's been hearing are impossible to substantiate one way or the other.

Yeah he’s kind of just throwing a whole bunch of stuff at a wall and hopes something sticks. These rumours he says with the Reds have been speculated for quite awhile. I would say he mostly just spitballing, but who knows

 

[zeke]

2021 Prospects: The Top 101 - Baseball Prospectus

bizarre that SWR isn't top-100. he should be top-50.

 

[Avilaj07]

I just don't see how you don't Include a Biggio or Groshans in that. I would do a Roark+Tellez+ though

Maybe if the picture was Castillo instead. There's 0 chance that trade would need to include either Biggio or Groshans. Teams haven't been trading their top prospects in any trade you've seen this off season.

 

[BlueForever75]

Especially when numerous "legit" insiders have said and fallen for the exact same trap? If anything, I think this proves him to be even more legitimate.

Can I ask some simple questions. Why are so many people here making a big deal on my claims. Because I reported something prior to Hazel? Prior to Gammons, Olney, Rosenthal, etc?

Or because what I reported first was then reported by the same "legit" insiders and they too were wrong as well?

I honestly do not get it. If you hold all these "legit" insiders in high regards, posting their tweets all the time. Rumors they post based on "sources", "team officials", etc... but only so many of their tweets are actually fruitful. Then I guess all their tweets should be banned from here!!!

I didnt post anything different then what these "legit" insiders posted. Only difference is I posted it first. That in itself should make it legit if your able to keep these other insiders credible.

I will continue to post what I hear for those that want to hear it. For those that have nothing good to say I will ignore them. I will chalk that up to ignorance and bias. And I am ok with that.

 

[Oskar The Groucho]

Maybe if the picture was Castillo instead. There's 0 chance that trade would need to include either Biggio or Groshans. Teams haven't been trading their top prospects in any trade you've seen this offseason.

Castillo would cost us Groshans+SWR+Manoah easily. I just think it's going to take a prospect and roster player to get both of them. Total they come with a contract over $24 million combined and both are serviceable MLB players that can contribute to a roster
Moustakas has provided 3.1 WAR the past 2 years and Gray 6.2 WAR they are both very good players and it'll cost more then you think

 

[Discoverer]

Can I ask some simple questions. Why are so many people here making a big deal on my claims. Because I reported something prior to Hazel? Prior to Gammons, Olney, Rosenthal, etc?

Or because what I reported first was then reported by the same "legit" insiders and they too were wrong as well?

I honestly do not get it. If you hold all these "legit" insiders in high regards, posting their tweets all the time. Rumors they post based on "sources", "team officials", etc... but only so many of their tweets are actually fruitful. Then I guess all their tweets should be banned from here!!!

I didnt post anything different then what these "legit" insiders posted. Only difference is I posted it first. That in itself should make it legit if your able to keep these other insiders credible.

I will continue to post what I hear for those that want to hear it. For those that have nothing good to say I will ignore them. I will chalk that up to ignorance and bias. And I am ok with that.

You said it well after the Atlanta reporter did. And all of those reporters have extensive histories of getting things right.

 

[stickty111]

Can I ask some simple questions. Why are so many people here making a big deal on my claims. Because I reported something prior to Hazel? Prior to Gammons, Olney, Rosenthal, etc?

Or because what I reported first was then reported by the same "legit" insiders and they too were wrong as well?

I honestly do not get it. If you hold all these "legit" insiders in high regards, posting their tweets all the time. Rumors they post based on "sources", "team officials", etc... but only so many of their tweets are actually fruitful. Then I guess all their tweets should be banned from here!!!

I didnt post anything different then what these "legit" insiders posted. Only difference is I posted it first. That in itself should make it legit if your able to keep these other insiders credible.

I will continue to post what I hear for those that want to hear it. For those that have nothing good to say I will ignore them. I will chalk that up to ignorance and bias. And I am ok with that.

You would be more believable if you actually posted it first. You only mentioned Brantley after Hazel's tweet. Not too mention you said it was done a month ago which makes 0 sense. You then started back tracking after the report was wrong.

 

[Avilaj07]

Castillo would cost us Groshans+SWR+Manoah easily. I just think it's going to take a prospect and roster player to get both of them. Total they come with a contract over $24 million combined and both are serviceable MLB players that can contribute to a roster
Moustakas has provided 3.1 WAR the past 2 years and Gray 6.2 WAR they are both very good players and ill cost more then you think

Lol there's 0 chance Castillo would cost that much. If the jays really wanted, they could probably trade Gurriel with a minor + and get Castillo. Thank God you're not the gm lol. We'd have 0 prospects left