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Blue Jays Discussion: Off-Season Pt V: Spring(er) has Sprung: Jays sign OF George Springer (6y/$150m)

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listen, hazel shouldn’t lose her job, thats nonsense. It is accurate to say that she should have done way more due diligence before reporting. Especially someone with her experience, she must be well aware the best and proper journalistic practice is to report facts/truth and not rush to be the first at the expense of quality information.

Now that she has experienced how quickly impulsive journalism can back fire, I am confident she will learn from it and be better next time.

Here’s hoping she breaks the next big signing so she can regain some of the credibility she lost with some people.
 
I mean Shaners take might be a little over the top but if Hazels leak cost the Jays that signing than it’s a little bit more of a big deal than “a reporting mistake”.

I’m not sure if that’s the case but causing the organization a multi million dollar investment is nothing to be taken lightly
 
I feel like there is a middle ground between whatever Shaner was doing and just totally whipping away the BS reporting today as "welp that stuff happens". It was garbage reporting by Hazel and all the people that followed.
 
Lineup 1

1. 2B - Biggio
2. CF - Springer
3. SS - Bichette
4. DH - Hernandez
5. LF - Gurriel Jr.
6. 3B - Gurrerro Jr.
7. 1B - Tellez
8. RF - Grichcuk
9. C - Jansen

Lineup 2

1. 2B/3B - Biggio
2. CF - Springer
3. SS - Bichette
4. RF - Teoscar
5. LF - Gurriel Jr.
6. DH - Gurrerro Jr.
7. 1B - Tellez
8. C - Jansen
9. 2B/3B - TBD

They need an infielder and at least one starter and maybe two... that's why I'm not getting all this earlier hype about Brantley. Seems a little idealistic to think we could afford Brantley, a good infielder and 1-2 starters without another move in place.

They may go cheap on this infielder option because they could use a full year of data from Bichette at shortstop, Gurrerro at 3B (one more attempt) and see how Groshans and Martin develop and from that year of knowledge they will know if they should spend money on a shortstop or a third basemen. I could see them going and getting someone like Kolten Wong and then positioning them selves for someone like Lindor, Story or a 3B etc next offseason depending on where they deem they could maximize capital the best. Right now that seems a bit unclear to me until we know what we have, especially from Bichette defensively.
 
zeke said:
Don't mind missing out on Brantley. That's the B level type signing i would complain about before. And he's an awkward fit in our lineup.

But Bauer is the play, even if we must overpay.
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What do you think would be a "high but acceptable" figure for him. He's the hardest FA to value for me because his track record some extraordinary highs, but also plenty of mediocre years.

I think if the term isn't overly long the Jays can take that risk without it having a domino effect if it fails (other than maybe limiting how many other pitchers they can try). For me the biggest risk of Bauer is off the field. There's a non-zero chance he tweets something and the fanbase loses it on him
 
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The Nemesis said:
She didn't report "false information". At least not in the sense that you're implying. When reporters get blasted for false info it's for making things up or lying about what they heard. Willful deceit usually for their own ends.

By all accounts what happened to Hazel is that someone fed her bad or incomplete information. That happens all the time in situations where you're relying on someone else to be your source. Especially when it's a source you've otherwise normally trusted or been able to count on the reliability/accuracy of.

If you were holding the entirety of baseball media to this standard there would be no baseball media left because everyone gets tripped up by this at some point or another. I'm sure you can go back through the scads of reports by Ken Rosenthal, Jon Morosi, Jeff Passan, Buster Olney, or even the other Jays reporters and find at least one instance where they cited something as true that later turned out not to be. Better fire the lot of them, I guess!!!

Should it happen? Probably not. But in a perfect world there wouldn't be this rush to break the story the way there is, leaving a cushion in which to do due diligence. You make the best of what the situation is.

Additionally none of this excuses the way you've handled the complaint, which has been in pretty poor taste.
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Agreed totally just a have real problem with false reporting. She should be apologizing really.
 
shaner89 said:
Agreed totally just a have real problem with false reporting. She should be apologizing really.
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You should apologize for constantly trying to drag down the Jays threads, spreading ill-conceived opinions (often presenting them as fact), and for accusing professionals of being unprofessional without any information.
 
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Eh, Brantley would have been a decent get but it's hardly the end of the world he decided to go back to Houston. It also means they can keep their outfield as is without having to move someone of value like Gurriel or Teo.

If anything take that 16.5 million and throw it on a legit offer to Bauer and really make a statement that the Blue Jays came to play ball.

"Bauer is the play, we must overpay"
 
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Agreed totally just a have real problem with false reporting. She should be apologizing really.
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If you agreed with me you would've have been flipping out as dramatically as you did in the first place.

And no, she doesn't really need to apologize because this happens all the time. I'm sure she feels bad about getting duped. But she owes us nothing.
 
I mean considering he hasn’t asked for anyone male to be fired for reporting the false information as confirmed by their sources I can see where the question about it being only having an issue with females comes from.


Multiple sources said it was done but he’s only calling for the female one to be fired.


That said it’s probably more an overreaction and stupidity than sexism
 
Steve Phillips threw out the idea that a deal was done but Brantley failed the physical. With Shapiro and Brantley having a long history starting in Cleveland, they did not want to report the failed physical to hurt Brantley's chances at securing a deal with Houston so they didnt report it.

Makes sense because Hazel Mae only reported the signing, nothing about a physical.



Then we have legit sources in the sport say the deal is done "pending physical" - these legit insiders dont add information they dont have. Mae didnt have it in her original tweet, so you can assume these insiders got the "pending physical" from their own sources of the deal.



Also keep in mind, Hazel liked this tweet after her initial tweet of the report;



Houston saw the report and rushed to get a deal done with Brantley. Which makes sense, why sign him to a $32M deal worth $16M a year when you could have offered him a $18.9M QO? What changed?
 
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Even more weirdly, he turned down an extra year too if those reports are to be believed.

Strange. You'd think guys would want the financial security given the market might be a bit screwy in the fallout of COVID.
 
Also notice how Rosenthal is now cognizant of the making sure he says "pending physical" for the Happ deal after what happened today?

 
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