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Blue Jays Discussion: Off-Season Pt III | Winter meetings are over. Still waiting for stuff to happen

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I am in on Hendricks. Relievers on this team are very important since our starting staff cannot seem to sniff the 6th inning.

Springer is the exact player we need but I cannot see him coming here with the Mets wanting him.

Bauer would be awesome but man does he fit the exact need of the Angels.

DJ will not get out of NY. Two big name, big money teams

Pipe dream - We land Realmuto, trade Danny to Cleveland in a package for Lindor and Carrasco. Move Bichette to second.

with Vlads defensive crappiness it makes it so hard to put him anywhere than DH. He is super young and if he gets his weight etc in check give him a few games there once in a while. Dangle that carrot to keep getting better.

We still need a 3B. I don’t know if Bichette or Biggio can handle the switch.

we are still early in the rebuild. Getting an extended Lindor helps take that next step.
A competent backstop helps transition the new pitchers.


in a normal season where there are lots of teams in on free agents I would say to just concentrate on landing a long term Top of the order starter and let the team grow. But this year gives us access to more players who probably wouldn’t consider us. Will be fun to see how it plays out.
 
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Blue Jays willing to go to $125M for Springer?
Blue Jays willing to go to $125M or higher for Springer?

Jan. 4: The Blue Jays and Mets are reportedly the finalists in the race for Springer, but it remains to be seen if either club will meet his asking price, which SNY’s Andy Martino reported to be “well over $150 million” last week.

According to SportsNet’s Ben Nicholson-Smith, Toronto has given some in the industry the impression that it is willing to go to $125 million for Springer. That would easily rank as the top free-agent deal in franchise history, “... and there’s a good chance that’s not even a hard limit,” Nicholson-Smith writes. However, he considers the Mets more likely to reach the $150 million threshold than the Blue Jays.
Nicholson-Smith compares Springer to Anthony Rendon, who signed a seven-year, $245 million deal ($35 million average annual value) with the Angels last offseason.

At the time, Rendon was heading into his age-30 season and had a lifetime .290/.369/.490 slash line (126 OPS+) with 136 homers and 29.1 Wins Above Replacement (per Baseball-Reference). Springer is heading into his age-31 season and owns a career .270/.361/.491 line (131 OPS+) with 174 homers and 27.5 bWAR.

Springer isn't expected to get a seven-year deal, but it's possible he will continue to look for a similar AAV.
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Blue Jays willing to go to $125M for Springer?
Blue Jays willing to go to $125M or higher for Springer?

Jan. 4: The Blue Jays and Mets are reportedly the finalists in the race for Springer, but it remains to be seen if either club will meet his asking price, which SNY’s Andy Martino reported to be “well over $150 million” last week.

According to SportsNet’s Ben Nicholson-Smith, Toronto has given some in the industry the impression that it is willing to go to $125 million for Springer. That would easily rank as the top free-agent deal in franchise history, “... and there’s a good chance that’s not even a hard limit,” Nicholson-Smith writes. However, he considers the Mets more likely to reach the $150 million threshold than the Blue Jays.
Nicholson-Smith compares Springer to Anthony Rendon, who signed a seven-year, $245 million deal ($35 million average annual value) with the Angels last offseason.

At the time, Rendon was heading into his age-30 season and had a lifetime .290/.369/.490 slash line (126 OPS+) with 136 homers and 29.1 Wins Above Replacement (per Baseball-Reference). Springer is heading into his age-31 season and owns a career .270/.361/.491 line (131 OPS+) with 174 homers and 27.5 bWAR.

Springer isn't expected to get a seven-year deal, but it's possible he will continue to look for a similar AAV.
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MLB releases statement that the league and players expect to have a full 162 game season this year starting on time on April 1st 2021.

Big win for both sides plus i assume they will have somewhere between 20-30% fans to start the season and maybe full capacity at the end if the vaccine is out.

 
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With spring training starting on time, I imagine that will at least stop this deathly slow free agency to drag out even longer. I still expect lots of signings to happen into February and March, but at least the start isn't delayed and further delaying signings.
 
Still hoping for Lindor. His attitude, skills and age are perfect for this team. Can’t see it costing that much with Cleveland desperate to move salary. Add two or three decent arms like Hendricks, Paxton and Sugano. I would be thrilled especially if Pearson can take a step. Rest can come from within. Spread the salary rather than toss a boatload at Bauer.
 
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I just have a gut feeling we're going to get Springer, and trade Gurriel for a signed Lindor with additions on either end as necessary, and end up going more middle end on the starting pitching.

Not a big fan of signing LeMahieu, or Realmuto. Though I feel like Realmuto and moving Jansen for upgrades elsewhere may be a backup plan.

I'm iffy on Bauer. Part of me knows we need a high end pitcher, but he scares me.
 
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Canada4Gold said:
I just have a gut feeling we're going to get Springer, and trade Gurriel for a signed Lindor with additions on either end as necessary, and end up going more middle end on the starting pitching.

Not a big fan of signing LeMahieu, or Realmuto. Though I feel like Realmuto and moving Jansen for upgrades elsewhere may be a backup plan.

I'm iffy on Bauer. Part of me knows we need a high end pitcher, but he scares me.
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I like your thinking. I don’t think we get Springer but I hope we do. And then Lindor for sure! Hoping we can get Carrasco with Lindor and add Sugano as well. A rotation of Ryu-Carrasco-Sugano-Pearson-Ray sounds pretty good. A batting lineup that includes Biggio-Bichette-Springer-Lindor-Hernandez-Guerrero-Tellez sounds awesome too.
 
No team is giving Turner 4 years. He's better off taking 2 years with the Dodgers and take 2 more really good runs at a 2nd ring.
 
The old teams are offering Turner 2 years and he wants 3 so he is asking for 4 in hopes they meet him in the middle at 3. If not then he signs for 2, maybe 2 plus an option.
 
Rude Dog said:
Still hoping for Lindor. His attitude, skills and age are perfect for this team. Can’t see it costing that much with Cleveland desperate to move salary. Add two or three decent arms like Hendricks, Paxton and Sugano. I would be thrilled especially if Pearson can take a step. Rest can come from within. Spread the salary rather than toss a boatload at Bauer.
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10 years, 300 million though?
Just dont see Jays paying that plus all the big raises due in 4-5 years.
 
TheImpatientPanther said:
10 years, 300 million though?
Just dont see Jays paying that plus all the big raises due in 4-5 years.
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They had that size of a contract offered to Cole literally last off-season as it was reported.

There's no cap, the Jays in their title window could feasibly have a payroll in the $150-$180 million range like they had a few seasons ago. A contract to Lindor won't affect that at all when the young core needs new deals.
 
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BAM said:
They had that size of a contract offered to Cole literally last off-season as it was reported.

There's no cap, the Jays in their title window could feasibly have a payroll in the $150-$180 million range like they had a few seasons ago. A contract to Lindor won't affect that at at all when the young core needs new deals.
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Yeah, it's not that unreasonable at all.

Here's a scenario, without getting into specifics of the contracts/trade cost: sign Springer for 5 years, trade for Lindor and sign him to a huge 10 year extension.

In that scenario, Ryu and Grichuk are off the books in three years (as all of Biggio, Bichette, and Vlad start to get more expensive through arbitration) and Springer is off the books the same year those three reach free agency. Even if Lindor costs $30 million, he would be the only current commitment for when the young guys get expensive, and you probably have the flexibility to make several other improvements over the next couple years without extending any contracts beyond 2025.

They can easily make this kind of thing fit without hampering their ability to retain the young guys going forward.
 
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So..... do you guys like... stuff?
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Is this Ross Atkins talking to a free agent for a 17th time?

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This is how I see things playing out. Within the next couple of weeks it will be announced that the Jays will open their season in Dunedin. This will get the ball rolling as free agents dont like the idea of playing in Buffalo. Dunedin was made into the best spring training facility with conditioning as its main focus. Factor in the great weather in Florida and some one like Hendriks residing in Florida as his home. I can see the FA dominos starting to fall after that is announced. It is already known that the Jays will outbid everyone on contract for FA to get them. Its a matter of logistics for these players.

I see the Jays doing the following:

Sign Hendriks
Sign Springer
Sign Realmuto
Sign Sugano
Sign Wong

Trade a Jansen, Roark and prospects to Pirates for Musgrove and another player (BP arm).

CF- Springer
SS- Bichette
C- Realmuto
1B - Guerrero
LF - Gurriel
DH- Hernandez
RF - Grichuk
2B - Wong
3B - Biggio

Bench: Tellez, McGuire, Davis, Espinal, Kirk, Fisher

SP1- Ryu
SP2 - Sugano
SP3- Musgrove
SP4 - Pearson
SP5 - Ray

Extra: Stripling, Thornton, Hatch. Kay

Bullpen:

Stripling
Hatch
Kay
Dolis
New acquired arm
Romano
Hendriks
 
Which American League team is building the best roster? Why White Sox are currently ahead of Yankees, others
Blue Jays
The Blue Jays are loaded with young talent and yet they have so many obvious roster needs. They need an outfielder or a DH (ideally a true center fielder who pushes Randal Grichuk to right and Teoscar Hernandez to DH), an infielder (ideally a third baseman but a shortstop would work too), a reliever or three, and another starting pitcher. They're one of the few teams capable (or willing) to spend this offseason and it's easy to see them as a potential landing spot for so many top players. George Springer in center, Trevor Bauer in the rotation, J.T. Realmuto behind the plate, Francisco Lindor on the infield, Liam Hendriks or (and?) Brad Hand in the bullpen, so on and so forth. The bones of a contending roster are in place. Now Toronto must improve the roster around the core to have the best shot at winning in 2021.
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Potential landing spots for Cubs stars: Kris Bryant to NL East; Anthony Rizzo joins rising AL squad
Anthony Rizzo: Toronto Blue Jays

First things first: I really don't think Rizzo is going to be traded. We're simply including him for the purposes of this exercise and by no means is it an impossibility.

The Blue Jays are coming off a season in which they really broke through as a fun, up-and-coming team to watch. They made the playoffs thanks to the expanded field, but they looked so good for stretches and let's keep in mind they didn't even really have a home.

It's time to take the next step forward and who better to step in as a leader of the young position players who has been through all the postseason battles than Mr. Rizzo. The Jays intend to move Vladimir Guerrero back to third and Rizzo is excellent at picking errant throws at first base to help him along.
As a bonus, the lefty Rizzo breaks up the righty-heavy middle (Bo Bichette, Lourdes Gurriel, Teoscar Hernandez, Guerrero).

I really like this fit, even if I don't think it ultimately happens.
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