Blue Jays Discussion: Off-Season Pt III | Winter meetings are over. Still waiting for stuff to happen
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Man Bear Pig
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As much as I'd love to see it, I cant see them spending quite that much as well as all those guys signing here.
phillipmike
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Deal is changing quite a bit. The original deal was a lot. If there are no more top prospects, then this makes more sense. I didn’t think Darvish had that type of value but this type of deal fits his value imo.
Padres already moving 2 of their 5 players from their 2020 draft. First Wilcox to the Rays for Snell and now Cassie to the Cubs.
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11, 13, 15, and 16 prospects on MLB.com. That still includes the guys they sent to TB though so I guess it's 9, 11, 12, 13 now
All 4 guys in rookie ball
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More proof teams aren't giving up their elite prospects hardly ever. I guess they would if you were getting an elite young pitcher with 5 years of cheap control, but those pitchers are never dealt.
I'd take a run at Luis Castillo, but he should cost more than a 34 year old Darvish.
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The Padres got Darvish for relatively little. It's almost absurd. Either COVID has broken the valuation systems or the Cubs are trying to out-scout the projections.
Putting a Dollar Value on Prospects Outside the Top 100
Santana 8m
Caissie 500k
Preciado 4m
Mena 1m
Davies (Even)
Darvish 38.7M
Caratini (Even)
If I'm the Jays I check on both Gray and Castillo. We might be able to get both without losing Martin or Groshans.
from a Cubs' point of view, they needed to shed payroll and Davies is 7 years younger. Cubs get 4 prospects who if on other teams in baseball would/could be top 10 in that org. SD is so loaded in prospect those kids are ranked lower.
I think the Jays can strike a similar deal with a team looking to shed payroll. They have depth to do it.
Any day now Jays. Get off your asses and make some moves. We need pitching and veteran hitters badly to help push us into contender status. This seems like the perfect offseason to buy some big $ contracts from teams that have owners who are looking to shed salary. Rogers is printing money these days and Rona hasn't slowed them down whatsoever. They have no excuse to not be a big-time buyer, honestly don't know what Atkins is doing right now. 
He might have been an expensive wallet but he was a free wallet.
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Any day now Jays. Get off your asses and make some moves. We need pitching and veteran hitters badly to help push us into contender status. This seems like the perfect offseason to buy some big $ contracts from teams that have owners who are looking to shed salary. Rogers is printing money these days and Rona hasn't slowed them down whatsoever. They have no excuse to not be a big-time buyer, honestly don't know what Atkins is doing right now.
Yeah I agree. They really need to push the envelope and bring in premier talent. I have to wonder if covid is playing a role in recruiting? I wonder if players are shying away from playing in a triple A stadium to start the season?
I think if it is an issue the players are stupid as we are willing to pay big bucks on a young talented team with TONS of prospects. Plus the stadium is only temporary during covid.
Man Bear Pig
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It's weird that people here are complaining about the lack of moves when only 1 team has actually done anything thus far. Every top tier free agent is still out there. Lindor is still available. Chill.
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An expensive wallet that wanted a guaranteed roster spot. I'd like to gamble on him too, but man, if he sucks, you're stuck with 5+ years of suck that you can't move.
You’re going to be very disappointed. Not trying to be negative but there’s a very real chance the Jays don’t land one of those guys
But if you are signing this guy you have done your due diligence scouted his KBO games. It's not like this is some High School kid coming out of nowhere. This guy played in a professional league
Thats the other interesting part. If you're going to offer him that kind of money, you should be confident enough in your evaluation to think he won't need minors.
Also I find it interesting that a team thats fully committing to winning this year, gave him the no minors clause, but a building team like the Jays, couldn't?
I mean we've had Fisher on the roster for 2 years hitting .200 and catching flyballs with his face. Just seems like the classic scared money scenario. Scared money don't make any money.
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The Darvish trade amounted to a salary dump because of his age and money owed. Castillo and Gray's trade value align more closely with Snell who cost the Padres their #2 prospect, and top 30 prospect overall among other things. Suffice it to say that I do not think the Jays are getting either without trading Groshans.
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You are setting the bar unreasonably high, it is unlikely that any team is able to sign 2 of those 4 players. If the Jays get even one of those players you should be delighted. Besides, there are other really good players available on the free agent front (Sugano, Brantley, Richards, Turner, Gregorius, Semien, Tanaka, Paxton, Bradley Jr., Wong, Cruz, Odorizzi) and trade market.
Would you be upset with an off-season in which the Jays traded for Lindor and signed Sugano, Turner and a few relievers? I certainly wouldn't.
Unless you’re giving the Reds significant salary relief (Moustakas) in the deal as well.
TOR: Castillo, Moustakas
CIN: Roark, Moreno, Hiraldo, Zeuch
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If Cincinnati is so cashed strapped that they are willing to attach an asset to dump Moustakas' salary they will not be willing to take back Roark's 11M. Moreover, it will be Gray that is attached to Moustakas because he is older, more expensive and less controllable than Castillo. Even then, I think your offer is light as Moreno and Hiraldo are quite far from the major leagues which limits their value and Zeuch has no value.
The Jays committed nearly as much money to Gurriel despite his success in a foreign professional league knowing full well he would spend time in the minors before he was ready to face major league competition.
It's perfectly reasonable to believe in a player, offer him a contract of that size, AND think (or have concerns) that he's going to need a bit of time to fully adjust to major league baseball and not want to HAVE to keep him in the majors while he does that.
Of course it is. But my point is, given where we are as a team, knowing thats the difference between getting your guy and not getting your guy, its definitely not a hill I'd die on. Im sure the Padres won't regret it either.
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