I was NOT a believer but Cole Caufield is the BEST Player from the 2019 Draft.

[Lshap]

Sure but given that they were 9th and how much better that 8th place team was the following season they were lucky to make the playoffs in a different format for the second straight season, it's not a hard call to make here.

That's luck.



See above.



This is a fair point and if the other poster agrees that the 10th best player on every team is impactful that's another thing but also the term impactful really loses it's meaning here right?

Also like I have stated that's no slight on CC he was 19 but others from the same draft have had more impactful playoffs that he has, which is what this thread is about.

Sure but JT played 2 minutes in that series and sure both weber and Price might have retired because in part they payed through but the point still remains that with a healthy JT it's not a stretch to say that it's very likely that Toronto could win that series right?

JT was the Leafs 3rd leading scorer in the regular season and was great in the dot and played a decent 2 way game at the time.

It's not a stretch to say if the Habs were missing a JT comparable that they wouldn't have won, although the whole postseason did rest on that defensive game and Price.



Seriously none of these guys are even close to the level of replacing a JT in that series.



Yes luck one top line caliber player versus the list of 3rd and 4th line guys you mentioned, The Habs top 4 Dmen and top 3 centers all played 7 games in that series.

Look I'm not denying the run it happened and that's the way it played out but there is a reason why the Habs haven't made the playoffs since that season.

I'm always amazed at the elaborate stories people create to put a different spin on a result they don't like. This reads like a series of excuses and an appeal to the supernatural (luck) to diminish an impressive underdog run. What Montreal did was certainly unexpected, but every bit as legit as the countless underdog stories we often see in the playoffs.

 

[HuGo Sham]

Listen man, they caught lighting in a bottle with Carey Price in a weird year. You can say what you want but the Habs are currently garbage. Live in the past all you want, but right now they are shit...hard stop

He is a small player who can shoot, he's a 2nd liner on a good team

Yikes a little respect for a team that’s basically in year 3 of a rebuild and 3 points out of the WC right now -being carried by 4 guys 25 and under.

No one predicted this. House money

 

[Frank Drebin]

For the final time, yes his team (not him) won on the back of Carey Price. Caufield is not the same level of player as Matthews, Marner or Nylander and it's not even a discussion.

That 2 on 0 in ot was glorious, you must admit. Poor Jack Campbell, must have sucked to be the only guy trying

 

[NikolaTesla]

not everyone is going like your favourite player as much as you do.

I hate small players, i think they’re a detriment come playoff time, they can’t handle the physicality.

Because of that I have him as the 6th best player from this class and in a tier with Cozens,Wolf and McMichael.

Shocked you haven’t found out yet that not everyone agrees with the opinions you have.

Your opinion is fine, its just that your justification of it is stupid.

 

[NikolaTesla]

Sure but given that they were 9th and how much better that 8th place team was the following season they were lucky to make the playoffs in a different format for the second straight season, it's not a hard call to make here.

That's luck.

Ridiculous. The following season they lost their 2 best player.

Fat guy in his couch : "that's luck".

 

[LeProspector]

Your opinion is fine, it’s just that your justification of it is stupid.

Sorry you can’t comprehend that I don’t like 5’7” wingers.

 

[NikolaTesla]

Sorry you can’t comprehend that I don’t like 5’7” wingers.

Nah that is fine. What i disagree though is you saying that Caufield will suck in the playoffs when he did not suck in them in his rookie season with like 10 games played in the nhl.

1. Claims stupid things.
2. Complain like a little girl when being called out on it. "You don't like my opnion wahhhhhh"

 

[LeProspector]

Nah that is fine. What i disagree though is you saying that Caufield will suck in the playoffs when he did not suck in them in his rookie season with like 10 games played in the nhl.

1. Claims stupid things.
2. Complain like a little girl when being called out on it. "You don't like my opnion wahhhhhh"

There is only ONE small player (sub 5’8”) that has been a core piece to a cup winner and that is Martin St.Louis, Caufield isn’t St.Louis, even if he’s his coach at the moment.

I’m going to continue to believe this, because he hasn’t made the playoffs since making the NHL full time.

 

[Frank Drebin]

There is only ONE small player (sub 5’8”) that has been a core piece to a cup winner and that is Martin St.Louis, Caufield isn’t St.Louis, even if he’s his coach at the moment.

I’m going to continue to believe this, because he hasn’t made the playoffs since making the NHL full time.

How many sub 5’8 core players can you name?

If you bump that arbitrary number to 5’9 i can name a conn smythe winner and another cup winner in brad marchand, but i see why you chose 5’8

 

[LeProspector]

How many sub 5’8 core players can you name?

Exactly.

 

[DJJones]

Second best winger of the draft imo. Solid player

Not sure if take him in the top ten in a redraft though

 

[Frank Drebin]

Second best winger of the draft imo. Solid player

Not sure if take him in the top ten in a redraft though

Your list would get pretty thin by the time you get to 8

 

[Voodoo Child]

Great pick but no it's J'accuse.

I'd also take Boldy and Seider over him.

 

[DJJones]

Your list would get pretty thin by the time you get to 8

Ya I guess might be a bit high. Didn't realize the draft was so weak

 

[Frank Drebin]

Ya I guess might be a bit high. Didn't realize the draft was so weak

its typical

 

[ORRFForever]

That's not random.

YeS iT IS !!!!

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

There is only ONE small player (sub 5’8”) that has been a core piece to a cup winner and that is Martin St.Louis, Caufield isn’t St.Louis, even if he’s his coach at the moment.

I’m going to continue to believe this, because he hasn’t made the playoffs since making the NHL full time.

The league is completely different than it was when Yvon Cournoyer (5’7 HOFer, Smythe winner) was winning cups with the Habs.

You’re starting to see smaller skilled blueliners come in because the rules have changed. The days of Craig Ludwig being able to clutch and grab are over. The red line is gone and you’re seeing guys like Q Hughes and Hutson come in. It’s a totally different world now.

And yeah, the Canadiens haven’t made the playoffs but that’s in spite of Caufield. I think he’s like second in the league in terms of percentage of goals scored per team.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

How many sub 5’8 core players can you name?

If you bump that arbitrary number to 5’9 i can name a conn smythe winner and another cup winner in brad marchand, but i see why you chose 5’8

10th in the NHL in goals this season. His size doesn’t matter. Could he have done this in the age of clutch and grab? Probably not. But it’s a brave new world.

 

[wetcoast]

I'm always amazed at the elaborate stories people create to put a different spin on a result they don't like. This reads like a series of excuses and an appeal to the supernatural (luck) to diminish an impressive underdog run. What Montreal did was certainly unexpected, but every bit as legit as the countless underdog stories we often see in the playoffs.

I'm always amazed how people don't understand hockey here but sure it's probably bad luck that the Habs haven't had a dynasty this century yet too right?

Like if the Canadians make the playoffs and lose Suzuki in game one with 2 minutes played and lose the series 4-3, Habs fans would never say hey man I think we might have won that series had Suzuki not been hurt right?

Some people are too busy here defending rather than looking at anything that might hurt the pride of their team.

Like I said I've seen the same thing on my Canucks but people are too busy being fans to engage in hockey discourse and defend their teams absolute greatness at all costs.

 

[Lshap]

I'm always amazed how people don't understand hockey here but sure it's probably bad luck that the Habs haven't had a dynasty this century yet too right?

Like if the Canadians make the playoffs and lose Suzuki in game one with 2 minutes played and lose the series 4-3, Habs fans would never say hey man I think we might have won that series had Suzuki not been hurt right?

Some people are too busy here defending rather than looking at anything that might hurt the pride of their team.

Like I said I've seen the same thing on my Canucks but people are too busy being fans to engage in hockey discourse and defend their teams absolute greatness at all costs.

You're not 'engaging in hockey discourse'. Once the conversation crumbles into talk of luck, fluke, magical elves, whatever, we've left hockey talk behind and have moved into emotional coping mechanisms. That's what I see here – make-believe stories to help you cope with a result you didn't like.

And when the rest of us don't share your imagination, you move onto the next make-believe story – that we don't understand hockey.

If you want an actual hockey discussion, start with respect for actual hockey. That means acknowledging there's much more to a playoff series than 'luck', and that even a team you dislike can be the better team.