I was NOT a believer but Cole Caufield is the BEST Player from the 2019 Draft.

[LeProspector]

I mean CC has already proven to be a gamer come playoff time. Not a concern thankfully but ya I get what you're saying.

TIL a .6 points per game come playoff time is a “gamer” during the playoffs.

 

[LuGBuG]

TIL a .6 points per game come playoff time is a “gamer” during the playoffs.

Well with any common sense he played 10 NHL games before that then went into the playoffs and while .6 point per game doesn’t look magical it shows he can produce in the big moment even in the earliest moments of his career.

 

[Miller Time]

Hughes is clearly the best player from that draft...

But I won't be surprised if Caufield ends up having the best career. Hughes is already struggling to stay healthy and accumulating the kind of wear and tear that might sadly dampen his full career output.

CC's work ethic, competitive level and clutch ability are all off the charts, and he's in a very good situation... Habs are trending towards being a very stacked roster through CC's mid to late 20's.

 

[wetcoast]

They finished 4th in their division, 17th in the league, 9th among what would've been Eastern Conference teams. They were right in the playoffs race.

Sure but given that they were 9th and how much better that 8th place team was the following season they were lucky to make the playoffs in a different format for the second straight season, it's not a hard call to make here.

That's luck.

Habs were impacted by COVID as much as any other team. They didn't benefit from it any more that season than any other team.

See above.

Yes, there were quite a few more players more impactful than 19 year old Caufield. I'd list 4 d, and about 5 forwards more impactful than him. He had 3rd most points on the team though. But again, he did great and he was 19, he played about as well as you'd expect a middle 6 forward to play in the playoffs. He had great games, he had a few games that weren't great.

This is a fair point and if the other poster agrees that the 10th best player on every team is impactful that's another thing but also the term impactful really loses it's meaning here right?

Also like I have stated that's no slight on CC he was 19 but others from the same draft have had more impactful playoffs that he has, which is what this thread is about.

You point out JT's injuries but lots of Habs were injured too. Weber played through a career ending foot injury, Price was playing with a career ending injury,

Sure but JT played 2 minutes in that series and sure both weber and Price might have retired because in part they payed through but the point still remains that with a healthy JT it's not a stretch to say that it's very likely that Toronto could win that series right?

JT was the Leafs 3rd leading scorer in the regular season and was great in the dot and played a decent 2 way game at the time.

It's not a stretch to say if the Habs were missing a JT comparable that they wouldn't have won, although the whole postseason did rest on that defensive game and Price.

Gallagher had significant injuries, Lehkonen was taken out of the series but a Sandin hit, Jake Evans missed games 2-6 with an injury, Kulak and Gustafsson both missed games that series due to injuries...

Seriously none of these guys are even close to the level of replacing a JT in that series.

Leafs had less injuries than the Habs that series, only JT and Foligno (though Muzzin didn't make it through game 7). So again, yeah, luck.

Yes luck one top line caliber player versus the list of 3rd and 4th line guys you mentioned, The Habs top 4 Dmen and top 3 centers all played 7 games in that series.

Look I'm not denying the run it happened and that's the way it played out but there is a reason why the Habs haven't made the playoffs since that season.

 

[wetcoast]

Jack Hughes basically carries the offense for the Devils.

Sure and that last tweet tells you why as Hirscher played in only 3 of those 9 games and after Hughes/Hischier they have Eric Hula and Mercer (who isn't a natural center) subbing in there.

Even with health Jack had 70 points in 62 games that doesn't make him a top 5 NHL player, not even top 10 for me.

 

[Great Panda 2]

Sure but given that they were 9th and how much better that 8th place team was the following season they were lucky to make the playoffs in a different format for the second straight season, it's not a hard call to make here.

That's luck.



See above.



This is a fair point and if the other poster agrees that the 10th best player on every team is impactful that's another thing but also the term impactful really loses it's meaning here right?

Also like I have stated that's no slight on CC he was 19 but others from the same draft have had more impactful playoffs that he has, which is what this thread is about.

Sure but JT played 2 minutes in that series and sure both weber and Price might have retired because in part they payed through but the point still remains that with a healthy JT it's not a stretch to say that it's very likely that Toronto could win that series right?

JT was the Leafs 3rd leading scorer in the regular season and was great in the dot and played a decent 2 way game at the time.

It's not a stretch to say if the Habs were missing a JT comparable that they wouldn't have won, although the whole postseason did rest on that defensive game and Price.



Seriously none of these guys are even close to the level of replacing a JT in that series.



Yes luck one top line caliber player versus the list of 3rd and 4th line guys you mentioned, The Habs top 4 Dmen and top 3 centers all played 7 games in that series.

Look I'm not denying the run it happened and that's the way it played out but there is a reason why the Habs haven't made the playoffs since that season.

Lehkonen and Gallagher made up 2/3s of the Habs shutdown line that playoffs, Kulak was the Habs second pairing dman, Weber and Price both missed a lot of time that season and around that time due to those same injuries.

Blaming one injury on losing the series is a bad argument, every team gets hurt. Toronto might have won with JT, Habs might have one with a healthy lineup. One team overcame their injuries, one team didnt.

 

[Sasha Orlov]

He’s scoring 4 tonight btw

 

[Forge]

Sure and that last tweet tells you why as Hirscher played in only 3 of those 9 games and after Hughes/Hischier they have Eric Hula and Mercer (who isn't a natural center) subbing in there.

Even with health Jack had 70 points in 62 games that doesn't make him a top 5 NHL player, not even top 10 for me.

I don't care where you put him rank wise. That's not what you said in your post or what I was responding to. The idea that he has more "hockey pool value than actual NHL value" is silly imo

 

[wetcoast]

I don't care where you put him rank wise. That's not what you said in your post or what I was responding to. The idea that he has more "hockey pool value than actual NHL value" is silly imo

Really is that because he is great in the faceoff circle or shuts down opposition lines?

Jack's value lies in in his incredible speed and offensive ability and he and Bratt compliment each other very well, the projection that he was going to be a top 5 NHL player was wishful thinking IMO and also unless he is in a daily league his fantasy status probably is over rated as well due to injuries but I haven't done fantasy hockey in over 10 years so that's a guess.

 

[Non Player Canadiens]

Caufield is a small one dimensional player who, ...

bahaha, just stopped reading there. sit down child

 

[HuGo Sham]

TIL a .6 points per game come playoff time is a “gamer” during the playoffs.

he was 20

 

[HabzSauce]

TIL a .6 points per game come playoff time is a “gamer” during the playoffs.

As a young rookie with barely any games under his belt who scored some big goals for us....

TIL people still love to ignore context just to be right

 

[HuGo Sham]

Sure but given that they were 9th and how much better that 8th place team was the following season they were lucky to make the playoffs in a different format for the second straight season, it's not a hard call to make here.

That's luck.



See above.



This is a fair point and if the other poster agrees that the 10th best player on every team is impactful that's another thing but also the term impactful really loses it's meaning here right?

Also like I have stated that's no slight on CC he was 19 but others from the same draft have had more impactful playoffs that he has, which is what this thread is about.

Sure but JT played 2 minutes in that series and sure both weber and Price might have retired because in part they payed through but the point still remains that with a healthy JT it's not a stretch to say that it's very likely that Toronto could win that series right?

JT was the Leafs 3rd leading scorer in the regular season and was great in the dot and played a decent 2 way game at the time.

It's not a stretch to say if the Habs were missing a JT comparable that they wouldn't have won, although the whole postseason did rest on that defensive game and Price.



Seriously none of these guys are even close to the level of replacing a JT in that series.



Yes luck one top line caliber player versus the list of 3rd and 4th line guys you mentioned, The Habs top 4 Dmen and top 3 centers all played 7 games in that series.

Look I'm not denying the run it happened and that's the way it played out but there is a reason why the Habs haven't made the playoffs since that season.

reads like you are. Habs were devastated by injuries that season. Carey Price returned for the playoffs and would basically never play again. same for Weber.
Price missed like the last 25 games of that season.
Show me a team that bounces back from losing an MVP goalie and no 1 d man. They would tear it down halfway through the following season- and fire Bergevin.
BTW. no team lucks their way to the SC final.
Habs didn't go 13-9 that post season by luck

 

[ijuka]

As I noted in the O.P., because of ALWAYS being hurt and being a NO SHOW at the 4NC, I have NO idea where to put him.

He has the same number of games played as Caufield, and has scored 14 more points in them.

His argument for #2 is fine, though Boldy would be a good pick, too. He has no argument for #1.

 

[wetcoast]

reads like you are. Habs were devastated by injuries that season. Carey Price returned for the playoffs and would basically never play again. same for Weber.
Price missed like the last 25 games of that season.
Show me a team that bounces back from losing an MVP goalie and no 1 d man. They would tear it down halfway through the following season- and fire Bergevin.

BTW. no team lucks their way to the SC final.

Sure they do, I'm a lifelong canucks fan and remember 1980, luck has a lot to do with who gets to the Sc final once in a while.

Also most of the luck that season was the change in NHL divisions.

Habs didn't go 13-9 that post season by luck

That was never the argument see above and sometimes the luck is in the first round after the format change with JT playing 2 minutes then out.

The Habs rode Price much like the Canucks rode Brodeur.

Aslo St Louis in their cup run rode Binnington quite a bit.

 

[thebestnic]

Jack Hughes basically carries the offense for the Devils.

Yah it's an absurd take. Not sure if that poster actually watches hockey(or look at any stats/advanced stars really)

 

[LeProspector]

As a young rookie with barely any games under his belt who scored some big goals for us....

TIL people still love to ignore context just to be right

not everyone is going like your favourite player as much as you do.

I hate small players, i think they’re a detriment come playoff time, they can’t handle the physicality.

Because of that I have him as the 6th best player from this class and in a tier with Cozens,Wolf and McMichael.

Shocked you haven’t found out yet that not everyone agrees with the opinions you have.

 

[HuGo Sham]

Sure they do, I'm a lifelong canucks fan and remember 1980, luck has a lot to do with who gets to the Sc final once in a while.

Also most of the luck that season was the change in NHL divisions.




That was never the argument see above and sometimes the luck is in the first round after the format change with JT playing 2 minutes then out.

The Habs rode Price much like the Canucks rode Brodeur.

Aslo St Louis in their cup run rode Binnington quite a bit.

Nah, I don't agree.
Riding a hot goalie is not luck; those are different arguments.
As per the habs, they were a very well built team, imo,
that got healthy at the right time that year.
They never had C depth like that season ...and still don't.
JT got injured, but that series was basically over after habs blew a lead in
game 5 and still won in OT. They would win the next in OT too and dominated
game 7.
Anyway, I don't want to relitigate that cup run; we'll have to agree to disagree.
As per thread, CC is not best player of that draft -Hughes is the better player, but hasn't been durable

 

[Auston Marlander]

He already has like triple the playoffs win than Auston Marlander. Is that a pokemon ?

I too like living in the past...

 

[Auston Marlander]

YES IT DOES !!!!!

That's not random.

 

[Auston Marlander]

Sure...inhale the copium. I'm sure the Auston Marlander trios' tears at the end of that series weren't genuine because they knew it was an asterisk year and they didn't want to advance due to embarrassment.......

I don't know but most times that the Habs make the POs, making it to the second round doesn't seem to be much of an issue. Then again, they're kind of used to going far in the POs unlike a team that hasn't won since 67.

I agree that CC is not the best player from the draft. The rest of your CC assessment is about as laughable as the Leafs' odds of not being perennial failures.

Listen man, they caught lighting in a bottle with Carey Price in a weird year. You can say what you want but the Habs are currently garbage. Live in the past all you want, but right now they are shit...hard stop

He is a small player who can shoot, he's a 2nd liner on a good team

 

[Miller Time]

Listen man, they caught lighting in a bottle with Carey Price in a weird year. You can say what you want but the Habs are currently garbage. Live in the past all you want, but right now they are shit...hard stop

He is a small player who can shoot, he's a 2nd liner on a good team

And yet has more career playoff series wins than Marner & Matthews combined lol

 

[Auston Marlander]

And yet has more career playoff series wins than Marner & Matthews combined lol

For the final time, yes his team (not him) won on the back of Carey Price. Caufield is not the same level of player as Matthews, Marner or Nylander and it's not even a discussion.

 

[thebestnic]

I too like living in the past...

I like looking in the future as well. Clock is ticking for Mr.Marlander

 

[HabzSauce]

not everyone is going like your favourite player as much as you do.

I hate small players, i think they’re a detriment come playoff time, they can’t handle the physicality.

Because of that I have him as the 6th best player from this class and in a tier with Cozens,Wolf and McMichael.

Shocked you haven’t found out yet that not everyone agrees with the opinions you have.

So do I actually. It's the only wart I have against a guy like Hutson for ex. As good as he's been playoffs still concern me because of his size

There are always exceptions tho, caufield being one of them. Never said he was the best in his class - only commenting on his playoff performance which we clearly disagree on