I was NOT a believer but Cole Caufield is the BEST Player from the 2019 Draft.

[wetcoast]

If you actually read, the argument was whether Caufield has played playoff hockey. Some in here believe in alternative facts. The fact is that Caufield was a key player in the Habs cup run.

Sure he has played playoff hockey and that year the Habs only got into the playoffs becaseu of the sepcial round, they weren't a playoff team.

They also got lucky that JT played only 2 minutes and then was injured and Carey Price was the key player on that team.

In terms of importance on that run it was

Price

Weber
Suzuki




then some other guys

Your point that CC was "impact full" that post season is vastly overstated I watched the whole run.

Nothing against Harley - i think he's a great young dman on a cup favorite.

His impact, since you brought it up is also greater in the playoffs.

 

[Auston Marlander]

Yet he helped erase a 3-1 series lead against them and has done something those 3 will never do......make it to a cup final.

The Montreal Carey Prices made the finals in an Asterix year.

The Habs are a joke who always seem to be a year from making playoffs in a league where half the teams make the playoffs, talk about embarrassing.

As for the thread, no Caufield is not the best player from his draft, but he's a good B+ tier player. A better version of Tyler Ennis. If he's your guy, that's not a recipe for success.

 

[Junohockeyfan]

Sure he has played playoff hockey and that year the Habs only got into the playoffs becaseu of the sepcial round, they weren't a playoff team.

They also got lucky that JT played only 2 minutes and then was injured and Carey Price was the key player on that team.

In terms of importance on that run it was

Price

Weber
Suzuki




then some other guys

Your point that CC was "impact full" that post season is vastly overstated I watched the whole run.

Caufield played playoff hockey in a cup run and was impactful. Those are facts despite the fact that it bothers you. lol

 

[wetcoast]

Caufield played playoff hockey in a cup run and was impactful. Those are facts despite the fact that it bothers you. lol

It doesn't bother me just use the term impact full for other guys as well from the same draft who were more impact full like Harley and Bryam.

After all this thread is making a claim that doesn't hold up very well.

 

[Junohockeyfan]

It doesn't bother me just use the term impact full for other guys as well from the same draft who were more impact full like Harley and Bryam.

After all this thread is making a claim that doesn't hold up very well.

So it does bother you that Caufield was impactful in his cup run and is more than impactful in his current form? I mean he is on pace for 40 goals. Harley / Byram have a ways to go before they are that impactful as dmen. But they are very good dmen none the less. Would love to have them on my team.

 

[wetcoast]

So it does bother you that Caufield was impactful in his cup run

No it doesn't bother me I just think your use of the phrase impactful lacks context here and if we are comparing against other players from the same draft then there are at least 2 or 3 more impact full runs.

and is more than impactful in his current form?

I went other this with another poster here, current as in the recent past both LaCombe, Harley and even Bryam are more impactful.

All 3 guys in a weird coincidence are tied for 16th in ES scoring among Dmen this season and all 3 have strong defensive games as well.

I mean he is on pace for 40 goals. Harley / Byram have a ways to go before they are that impactful as dmen. But they are very good dmen none the less. Would love to have them on my team.

See ES scoring above and sure CC might look sexier to the goal scoring crowd but I'm more an overall type of player guy.

Harley is tied for +/- on Dallas and the well he has only been a top Dman for half the season that's because Miro is there and Harley had a grat season last year as well on the second pair and was 18th in ES scoring among Dmen last year.

Put another way assuming Hughes was healthy if we threw all the players into a redraft for the rest of the season CC might go in the top 5 or he might not as 4 Dmen and Hughes arguably more valuable right now and probably Boldy as well.

Maybe CC will crank it up a bit down the stretch time will tell.

 

[Gravity]

The Montreal Carey Prices made the finals in an Asterix year.

The Habs are a joke who always seem to be a year from making playoffs in a league where half the teams make the playoffs, talk about embarrassing.

As for the thread, no Caufield is not the best player from his draft, but he's a good B+ tier player. A better version of Tyler Ennis. If he's your guy, that's not a recipe for success.

Sure...inhale the copium. I'm sure the Auston Marlander trios' tears at the end of that series weren't genuine because they knew it was an asterisk year and they didn't want to advance due to embarrassment.......

I don't know but most times that the Habs make the POs, making it to the second round doesn't seem to be much of an issue. Then again, they're kind of used to going far in the POs unlike a team that hasn't won since 67.

I agree that CC is not the best player from the draft. The rest of your CC assessment is about as laughable as the Leafs' odds of not being perennial failures.

 

[ORRFForever]

Randomly capitalizing words doesn't add to your point.

YES IT DOES !!!!!

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

He already has and was impactful!

Correct the rest of this is noise.

That being said, he’s only had one run. Habs are still a long shot to make the playoffs this year and there’s not much to go on playoff history wise. But I see no reason to doubt him after that debut.

As for the answer to the question, again it will take years to really know. With Caufield it’s about potential. We’ve seen that he can score at a 40+ pace with regularity but he hasn’t been healthy enough to do it in a season. He should get to 40 this year. The question is - will this be a career year or simply part of his progression? I think it’s the latter. He put up great numbers on terrible clubs and as he matures the team is actually improving along with him.

We will see.

 

[wetcoast]

Sure...inhale the copium. I'm sure the Auston Marlander trios' tears at the end of that series weren't genuine because they knew it was an asterisk year and they didn't want to advance due to embarrassment.......

I don't know but most times that the Habs make the POs, making it to the second round doesn't seem to be much of an issue. Then again, they're kind of used to going far in the POs unlike a team that hasn't won since 67.

I agree that CC is not the best player from the draft. The rest of your CC assessment is about as laughable as the Leafs' odds of not being perennial failures.

Fair points but aside from that play in year in the last 10 years the Habs have 2 first round exits and the Montreal ratio of "we are so great posts" to performance is probably last in the league over the last 10 years (okay the Leafs probably share in that as well)due in part to passionate fans of course but let's try to keep things real here a bit.

 

[Great Panda 2]

Sure he has played playoff hockey and that year the Habs only got into the playoffs becaseu of the sepcial round, they weren't a playoff team.

They also got lucky that JT played only 2 minutes and then was injured and Carey Price was the key player on that team.

In terms of importance on that run it was

Price

Weber
Suzuki




then some other guys

Your point that CC was "impact full" that post season is vastly overstated I watched the whole run.




His impact, since you brought it up is also greater in the playoffs.

That's a lot of excuses in a short post.

How does a team get lucky that a superstar plays good hockey?

The team was built for one thing and it did that one thing. Danault's line shut down superstars, big rough d played like big rough d, and young scorers scored. It played a heavy forecheck, it cleared the crease, and it made great players look average.

Caufield was able to play into that system at 19 years old. Moreso than being asked to score, he was being asked to disrupt transitions, something he's become great at (not Jack Hughes level but starting to be in the same realm of).

There's no big mystery here, there's no luck involved outside of puck luck.

 

[thebestnic]

He won't see the playoffs.

He already has like triple the playoffs win than Auston Marlander. Is that a pokemon ?

 

[Doom Bot]

The Montreal Carey Prices made the finals in an Asterix year.

The Habs are a joke who always seem to be a year from making playoffs in a league where half the teams make the playoffs, talk about embarrassing.

As for the thread, no Caufield is not the best player from his draft, but he's a good B+ tier player. A better version of Tyler Ennis. If he's your guy, that's not a recipe for success.

Lmfao Auston Marlander calling another organization a joke is awesome

 

[wetcoast]

That's a lot of excuses in a short post.

How does a team get lucky that a superstar plays good hockey?

Actually I stand corrected as I had the 19-20 and 21-0-21 season mixed up but if there had been regular divisions the Habs almost certainly wouldn't have been a playoff team that year..

The team was built for one thing and it did that one thing. Danault's line shut down superstars, big rough d played like big rough d, and young scorers scored. It played a heavy forecheck, it cleared the crease, and it made great players look average.

So you would agree that Price, at least 2 D and 2 centers were more impactful in that post season run right?

I watched the post season that year and you probably did as well and if you broke down the games many other Habs would ahve come up as more impactful in the true sense of the word.

Caufield was able to play into that system at 19 years old. Moreso than being asked to score, he was being asked to disrupt transitions, something he's become great at (not Jack Hughes level but starting to be in the same realm of).

He wasn't used all that much in the 6th and final game against Vegas, in fact only 2 forwards played less in that game than CC.

Like I said the term impactful is being used really freely here.

There's no big mystery here, there's no luck involved outside of puck luck.

Covid and JT being inured aren't puck luck.

 

[Junohockeyfan]

No it doesn't bother me I just think your use of the phrase impactful lacks context here and if we are comparing against other players from the same draft then there are at least 2 or 3 more impact full runs.



I went other this with another poster here, current as in the recent past both LaCombe, Harley and even Bryam are more impactful.

All 3 guys in a weird coincidence are tied for 16th in ES scoring among Dmen this season and all 3 have strong defensive games as well.





See ES scoring above and sure CC might look sexier to the goal scoring crowd but I'm more an overall type of player guy.

Harley is tied for +/- on Dallas and the well he has only been a top Dman for half the season that's because Miro is there and Harley had a grat season last year as well on the second pair and was 18th in ES scoring among Dmen last year.

Put another way assuming Hughes was healthy if we threw all the players into a redraft for the rest of the season CC might go in the top 5 or he might not as 4 Dmen and Hughes arguably more valuable right now and probably Boldy as well.

Maybe CC will crank it up a bit down the stretch time will tell.

Agreed that there are many dmen more impactful than Quinn Hughes who can be a liability! Glad we agree!

 

[a mangy Meowth]

Agreed that there are many dmen more impactful than Quinn Hughes who can be a liability! Glad we agree!

Wait... are you suggesting LaCombe, Harley, and Byram are "more impactful" than Hughes?

 

[JianYang]

As a habs fan, he should have gone higher, and he belongs in the top tier of that class, not sure where I'd rank him beyond that.

Sieder is probably the best..... or at least the most valuable.

 

[wetcoast]

Agreed that there are many dmen more impactful than Quinn Hughes who can be a liability! Glad we agree!

Jack Hughes was drafted in 2019 not Quinn but everyone makes mistakes and I'm not even a real Jack Hughes fan think he was and is over rated by many.

 

[Junohockeyfan]

Jack Hughes was drafted in 2019 not Quinn but everyone makes mistakes and I'm not even a real Jack Hughes fan think he was and is over rated by many.

The only issue with Jack Hughes is his fragility. Other than that he's not overrated at all.

 

[wetcoast]

The only issue with Jack Hughes is his fragility. Other than that he's not overrated at all.

We will agree to disagree there as well as Jack Hughes is one of those guys who has more hockey pool value than NHL value, knid of the inverse of say Wyatt Johnston.

Don't get me wrong Jack hughes is an extremely good player but the "top 5 talk" even when healthy was an exaggeration IMO.

 

[Great Panda 2]

Actually I stand corrected as I had the 19-20 and 21-0-21 season mixed up but if there had been regular divisions the Habs almost certainly wouldn't have been a playoff team that year..

So you would agree that Price, at least 2 D and 2 centers were more impactful in that post season run right?

I watched the post season that year and you probably did as well and if you broke down the games many other Habs would ahve come up as more impactful in the true sense of the word.



He wasn't used all that much in the 6th and final game against Vegas, in fact only 2 forwards played less in that game than CC.

Like I said the term impactful is being used really freely here.


Covid and JT being inured aren't puck luck.

They finished 4th in their division, 17th in the league, 9th among what would've been Eastern Conference teams. They were right in the playoffs race.

Habs were impacted by COVID as much as any other team. They didn't benefit from it any more that season than any other team.

Yes, there were quite a few more players more impactful than 19 year old Caufield. I'd list 4 d, and about 5 forwards more impactful than him. He had 3rd most points on the team though. But again, he did great and he was 19, he played about as well as you'd expect a middle 6 forward to play in the playoffs. He had great games, he had a few games that weren't great.

You point out JT's injuries but lots of Habs were injured too. Weber played through a career ending foot injury, Price was playing with a career ending injury, Gallagher had significant injuries, Lehkonen was taken out of the series but a Sandin hit, Jake Evans missed games 2-6 with an injury, Kulak and Gustafsson both missed games that series due to injuries... Leafs had less injuries than the Habs that series, only JT and Foligno (though Muzzin didn't make it through game 7). So again, yeah, luck.

 

[Junohockeyfan]

We will agree to disagree there as well as Jack Hughes is one of those guys who has more hockey pool value than NHL value, knid of the inverse of say Wyatt Johnston.

Don't get me wrong Jack hughes is an extremely good player but the "top 5 talk" even when healthy was an exaggeration IMO.

To emphasize the value and impact of Jack Hughes, when he is out of the lineup, the NJD are not a playoff team and are in a tailspin. He has more than hockey pool value.

 

[Craig Ludwig]

I'm a Habs fan and although we did get a steal, I think Hughes is well ahead of him, and I think Seider and Harley are a tad ahead of him also. But the other forwards, inluding Boldy and Zegras, I would much rather have Caufield.

 

[HabzSauce]

Give me Hughes, Lacombe, Seider, Harley, Boldy over him without much thought.

Too small to be a difference maker come playoff time to have over those guys who are studs with size.

I mean CC has already proven to be a gamer come playoff time. Not a concern thankfully but ya I get what you're saying.

 

[Forge]

We will agree to disagree there as well as Jack Hughes is one of those guys who has more hockey pool value than NHL value, knid of the inverse of say Wyatt Johnston.

Jack Hughes basically carries the offense for the Devils.