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Blue Jays Discussion: Off-Season Madness the 14th: Who is bigger, Dickey or Johnson?

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SpezDispenser said:
One more power bat. Don't want to rely on Lind to deliver.
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How many home runs do we need??

We were 6th last year with 198.

Our problem last year was getting guys on base. We ranked 25th with just a .309OBP (also ranked 23rd in BA with just .245). This year I'm hoping we can our team average up in the .260s and our OBP in the .320s.

We don't need more power. We need guys who get on base, so that when we hit those homers we don't have empty bases. Lind hit .345OBP after his recall. Give him a chance with Mottola. His monster season was before Murphy. Murphy wrecked him, I'd Like to see what he does without him.

Reyes - 10-15
Melky - 10-15
Jose - 40-50
Edwin - 30-40
Lind - 20-25
Lawrie - 10-20
Rasmus - 15-25
JP - 20-30
Izturis/Bonifacio - 5
Bench - 10

That's 170 from HRs and that's guessing low. Guessing high brings you 225. I'd guess we finish around the same output as last year.

What's going to win us ball games this year is 1) a far better pitching staff and 2) we have guys who should hopefully be able to get on base when they aren't hitting homeruns.
 
SpezDispenser said:
Still, when you've assembled the beauty that is the Jays of this upcoming year, one weak spot can hurt. Couple Lind with JPA who can't hit for average and potentially Bonifacio who's only an 'okay' hitter and that's a third of the lineup that isn't particularly strong - not that any team has a 1-9 that's dynamite, but we're soooo close lol.
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Bonifacio is just an "okay hitter".... What? He posted a .330 OBP last year. OBP is the most important stat for a guy like him because of how many bags he can swipe.

Leafsdude7 said:
I think moving Lind out if we get Swisher misses the point. We need a power bat for the bench, IMO. If we can't get Swisher and still keep within our salary, I don't think it's worth it.

I really don't like a bench of Davis, Bonifacio/Izturis, Cooper/Sierra/Gose and the backup catcher. Where's the bat? :help:
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That whole bench has solid bats. Not much power, but all are .300+ OBP guys. Fine with me.
 
I'm going to cry if Adam Lind is in the 5 hole to start the season.

HawkeyeCB said:
Bonifacio is just an "okay hitter".... What? He posted a .330 OBP last year. OBP is the most important stat for a guy like him because of how many bags he can swipe.
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Totally agree here. Boni takes a ton of pitches, has a good eye, and knows how to get on base. That's all you can ask of him, and given our other strengths, he's not some huge liability in the lineup. I don't think enough people realize that OBP + baserunning speed is a massive asset.
 
The Blue Jays are prioritizing present gains over future potential, Shi Davidi writes at Sportsnet.ca. But it's not about a one-year gamble for GM Alex Anthopoulos. "This allows us to really put what we feel is a contending team together for an extended run, for a three-to-five year period," Anthopoulos said
 
TwoPadStack said:
I'm going to cry if Adam Lind is in the 5 hole to start the season.
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The only better option might be Lawrie but I'd much rather him bat 6th to set up the bottom part of the order. Rasmus and JP have about the same power but dont get on base as much.

A lot of people under value OBP.
 
Nick0930 said:
I don't know his stats, but didn't Lind play pretty well after getting called back up from AAA?
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Yup.

46 GP, .301 AVG, .343 OBP, 4 HR, 25 RBI.

I think a good prediction would be .275avg, .330 OBP, 20 HR, 75 RBI


The Drunken Crunker said:
Noah Syndergaard tweets anti-gay slur

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/mets/newly-acquired-met-tweets-anti-gay-slur-article-1.1222644
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Clearly joking around with a friend but I guess when you have that much exposure it's a bad choice. Doesn't bother me at all though.
 
HawkeyeCB said:
Yup.

46 GP, .301 AVG, .343 OBP, 4 HR, 25 RBI.

I think a good prediction would be .275avg, .330 OBP, 20 HR, 75 RBI



Clearly joking around with a friend but I guess when you have that much exposure it's a bad choice. Doesn't bother me at all though.
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that improvement after the demotion really gave Lind his last chance to show his stuff. If he struggles this year with mottola, he's gone 100%. However I think he'll have a nice year
 
HawkeyeCB said:
Yup.

46 GP, .301 AVG, .343 OBP, 4 HR, 25 RBI.

I think a good prediction would be .275avg, .330 OBP, 20 HR, 75 RBI



Clearly joking around with a friend but I guess when you have that much exposure it's a bad choice. Doesn't bother me at all though.
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That's how I feel too. "The team was looking into the matter". Like really? Obviously he should watch would he puts on twitter, but he's 20 years old give it a break.
 
Whether he knew it at the time or not, R.A. Dickey was nearing the end as a professional pitcher when he came to the Mets organization. They never told him, but one or two more bad outings, and Dickey was going to be recast as a coach. That was the plan.

Even his old friend Omar Minaya, the one who as Mets general manager rescued Dickey and gave him about his 50th chance to make it in the majors, was sizing up Dickey as a potential minor-league player-coach or even fulltime pitching coach when Dickey threw a stunning one-hitter for Triple-A Buffalo and kept right on going.
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Read more here; http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/blog/jon-heyman/21419853/how-ra-dickey-went-from-the-worst-pitcher-in-buffalo-to-the-ace-in-toronto
 
HawkeyeCB said:
That whole bench has solid bats. Not much power, but all are .300+ OBP guys. Fine with me.
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They might be decent batters, but I don't think we have a guy there that we can bring up in the 8th for guys like Rasmus or Arencibia when down by 1 and, for example, Lawrie at 1st and Encarnacion at 2nd with 1 out and expect to take the lead with one swing.

Besides, I'd rather keep Bonifacio and Davis on the bench for pinch running over putting them in as pinch batters. I really think we need a bat that can gap it or take it out of the park often on the bench, especially if it forces Cooper/Sierra/Gose back to AAA for some more seasoning.
 
HawkeyeCB said:
Bonifacio is just an "okay hitter".... What? He posted a .330 OBP last year. OBP is the most important stat for a guy like him because of how many bags he can swipe.


That whole bench has solid bats. Not much power, but all are .300+ OBP guys. Fine with me.
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I'm sorry, but Bonifacio isn't even an okay hitter.

His career wRC+ is 82, which is pretty putrid. You're right in saying that he's capable of getting on-base, which is important given his skill set, but that still doesn't make him a good, or even average hitter. He's been pretty awful at the plate over his career.

That's not to say that I dislike Bonifacio, I'm actually a pretty big fan. I think he makes a great bench player, as he's very, very fast, and although his infield defense isn't very good, he's fairly solid defensively in the outfield. Saying that, unless you're banking on him having a 2011 season (he had a wRC+ of 109 that year), I wouldn't count on him doing much with the bat. Like you said though, at least he'll get on base at a fairly decent clip, so he's not completely useless up at the plate.
 
syndegaard looks strong eh

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Does anyone have any suggestions for a power bat for the bench? Like what ibanez was for the Yankees last year
 
Now that we're at our payroll limit no. Swisher or Laroche are available free agents but they'll want a good amount of money and trade wise there really isn't anybody other than Lind we can give up that is owed money
 
91Kadri91 said:
I'm sorry, but Bonifacio isn't even an okay hitter.

His career wRC+ is 82, which is pretty putrid. You're right in saying that he's capable of getting on-base, which is important given his skill set, but that still doesn't make him a good, or even average hitter. He's been pretty awful at the plate over his career.

That's not to say that I dislike Bonifacio, I'm actually a pretty big fan. I think he makes a great bench player, as he's very, very fast, and although his infield defense isn't very good, he's fairly solid defensively in the outfield. Saying that, unless you're banking on him having a 2011 season (he had a wRC+ of 109 that year), I wouldn't count on him doing much with the bat. Like you said though, at least he'll get on base at a fairly decent clip, so he's not completely useless up at the plate.
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Oh sweet, I should have known someone would come in with convulted statistic to put him down.

All he needs to do us get on base. Taking a walk is absolutely no different than getting a single.

If he can get on base 33% of the time and swipe 30 bags who the hell cares what else he does. If he gets himself into scoring position, that's all you need from him.
 
Biggs21 said:
Does anyone have any suggestions for a power bat for the bench? Like what ibanez was for the Yankees last year
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I saw this on another forum, but Dayan Viciedo would be a perfect platoon partner for Lind. The guy absolutely destroys left-handed pitching. He's absolutely terrible otherwise, but he's pretty young, controllable (I think) and would make a pretty good bench player to bring in versus left-handed pitching if the Jays ever decided to get rid of Lind.

I'm not sure what the White Sox would want, but I don't think it would be a very steep price considering, well, he's not very good.
 
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