Blue Jays Discussion: Off-Season Madness the 14th: Who is bigger, Dickey or Johnson?

[amyles]

He wouldn't, you have it backwards. Also it's not universal that a player batting infront of say, Miguel Cabrera or Jose Bautista will see more fastballs, but it is a common occurrence depending on the pitcher on the mound. The reason a player hitting infront of a 'superstar' might see better pitches is because the last thing that pitcher wants to do is walk him and have the guy on base for when Cabrera or Bautista hit a home run. Again, it's not written in stone, and is very situational.

Oh ok thanks, I just thought I read that Lind would be seeing lots of good pitchs this year.

 

[TMLeafer]

Steep price, but it's finally done


Is it April yet?

 

[TSA0402]

The Rays didn't even make it last year.

If AA wants to "go for it all" this year, he should just try to field the strongest possible lineup. If that means signing Laroche or Swisher to replace Lind, he should do it.

They won 90 games on a down year, must really suck to be them.

If you want to play fantasy land, they should have signed Ortiz. I'm not convinced Laroche or Swisher are consistent enough to be worth the while(thats assuming Swisher has any intention of signing here to begin with).

 

[Cloned]

They won 90 games on a down year, must really suck to be them.

If you want to play fantasy land, they should have signed Ortiz. I'm not convinced Laroche or Swisher are consistent enough to be worth the while(thats assuming Swisher has any intention of signing here to begin with).

I'm just saying, if AA believes the team's short window to win is now, he should leave as little as possible to chance. It's almost a guarantee that Swisher or Laroche would be better than Lind.

 

[p.l.f.]

Went into details on the trade. Said they had D'Arnaud on the table for 10 days but NY wasn't moving, went back to NY and said what would get it done. NY said if you add in Syndergaard it would entice them.

Said we either have prospects to develop for the big club or use in trade. He loves Syndergaard but his timing of arrival to the big leagues doesn't match with the big club right now. Bautista and Edwin are in their prime so felt it was a good time to go for it.

Also said you can't be caught in the middle, you're either going for it or not. You get a small window and when it comes you have to go for it.

Says when dealing and talking about prospects sometimes we lose the fact that it's all about winning.

thx

 

[I Believe]

The timing is perfect, I doubt we'll ever see the division as weak as it is now.

Yes, with D'Arnaud and Syndergaard we'd likely be better in 3-4 years. However you gotta figure the division will get stronger in that time as well.

 

[Eyedea]

They won 90 games on a down year, must really suck to be them.

If you want to play fantasy land, they should have signed Ortiz. I'm not convinced Laroche or Swisher are consistent enough to be worth the while(thats assuming Swisher has any intention of signing here to begin with).

Swisher has been a model of consistency his entire career, but yeah I think Indians are really pushing for him right now, everybody else is on the outside for him.

 

[Drew311]

thx

AA also said that he was asking about Dickey since before the winter meetings. Dickey wasn't available then, but since contact talks broke down with the Mets he went full out to get him.

Dickey was happy to sign an extension because he realizes he can win here.

Also AA is only looking to make minor moves now, specifically improving the bullpen. They are at the upper limit of their internal budget.

 

[Cloned]

This lineup would be pretty deadly:

Reyes
Cabrera
Bautista
Encarnacion
Swisher
Lawrie
Pierzynski
Rasmus
Izturis/Bonifacio

Dickey
Johnson
Morrow
Buehrle
Romero



A man can dream, can't he?

110 wins?

 

[cyris]

This lineup would be pretty deadly:

Reyes
Cabrera
Bautista
Encarnacion
Swisher
Lawrie
Pierzynski
Rasmus
Izturis/Bonifacio

Dickey
Johnson
Morrow
Buehrle
Romero



A man can dream, can't he?

110 wins?

Certainly not out of the question.

 

[topched]

The timing is perfect, I doubt we'll ever see the division as weak as it is now.

Yes, with D'Arnaud and Syndergaard we'd likely be better in 3-4 years. However you gotta figure the division will get stronger in that time as well.

How will we be better with TDA and Syndergaard in 4 years?

That assumes that 1 they'll actually develop as planned and secondly that all the guys in our core are still as good.

 

[jcollins]

Still upset over how much we gave up in this trade. Excited about having Dickey on the team and the great rotation we'll have but I can't believe we had to give up TDA and Syndergaard. What makes it even worse is that we're going to be stuck with JPA as out catcher which is just ugh.

Maybe Jimminez will tear it up and force his way up here next spring

 

[Drew311]

Hanrahan is on the market.

Ninja Anthopoulos?

 

[p.l.f.]

if its a move that doesnt affect their budget, more likely a trade(s)
then anythings possible
rasmus lind bonifacio i suppose could go for the right offer(s)

 

[McOilbleeder]

I believe pre-Dickey we were around 92 wins projection wise. Now after Dickey, I think we'll be looking at something around 95-97 wins.

Getting Thole was also a really good move by AA.

I thought the Rays were the biggest competitor with us for the AL East crown, but I think this move puts us as clear favorites.

 

[Eyedea]

Maybe Jimminez will tear it up and force his way up here next spring

I wouldn't doubt he gets to AAA by the end of the season, but I think he needs to spend a full year in Buffalo. Two years minimum in my eyes.

 

[The Man in White]

Will be funny if the team goes 1-2 vs Cleveland and Jay's land implodes.

Whatever, I'll be at the Boston series with my "Suck my Dickey, Farrell" sign.

 

[TSA0402]

I'm just saying, if AA believes the team's short window to win is now, he should leave as little as possible to chance. It's almost a guarantee that Swisher or Laroche would be better than Lind.

Forget about Laroche. Well, its quite likely Swisher would put up better numbers than Lind, but I do believe his numbers would drop playing away from the Yankees. Toronto has internal options who aren't quite as good, but I don't see the justification of throwing 50 million around unless its a Ortiz type upgrade.

Swisher has been a model of consistency his entire career, but yeah I think Indians are really pushing for him right now, everybody else is on the outside for him.

He has been the model of consistency with the New York Yankees in that bandbox. Don't think the Chicago White Sox would agree with that assessment. If Blue Jays signed Swisher I wouldn't complain, but I'd much rather extend Johnson with with the money.

 

[jcollins]

What's done is done. My disappointment at the cost is offset by the very team-friendly contract. Ballsy move by Anthopolous (even if not quite Jedi-level this time around). Glad Gose is still here though.

Welcome RA - look forward to your participation in Derringer's 13 days of Christmas next year (sporting your 2013 World Series ring, of course!).

My thoughts exactly.

I've been very high on TDA, and higher on Syndergaard, but if AA thought we were ready, Im on board with him. Still a lot to give up though. If you look at the core, it's all locked up for the next 3 years.

That being said, our farm system is still pretty sweet.

 

[KesselLooksLikeRadar*]

This lineup would be pretty deadly:

Reyes
Cabrera
Bautista
Encarnacion
Swisher
Lawrie
Pierzynski
Rasmus
Izturis/Bonifacio

Dickey
Johnson
Morrow
Buehrle
Romero



A man can dream, can't he?

110 wins?

COME ON MAN.

Where is your ambition?

Reyes
Cabrera
Joey Bats
EE
Buster Posey
Brett Lawrie (1B)
David Wright (3B)
Rasmus
Bonifacio

Price
Dickey
Johnson
Buerhle
Morrow

How we get Wright: Wright, after being so distraught by the trade of his best friend, and savior R.A Dickey demands a trade to the Jays, wherein AA says the only way he'll take such a character concern and contract like that is if they take Adam Lind.

How we get Posey: Even after winning a World Series, the blasted "Media" is not even giving them any attention. Instead, they keep hearing about this mystery team called the "Blue Jays" from America's hat. Unfortunately for them, Posey, little known fact, was an attention ***** in high school, and this lack of attention lead him on a pilgrimage to the far away land of Toronto. Upon his arrival, he gets plastic surgery to look more like JPA so he can receive the negative attention he does. We then ship the REAL JPA to the Giants and convince them he's Posey.

How we get Price: It's simple, just keep changing the "J" into an "R" around him so that he reports here instead of Tampa. After Tampa sees he is not attending Spring Training, they release him and the Jays sign him to a 4 year extension worth 44 million dollars through the AA Jedi mind trick.

Unfortunately, no one took Rasmus; but we came up with a plan where he runs into every pitch he sees. His OBP becomes .200, somehow managing to miss the pitch 80 percent of the time.

Seems reasonable.

 

[jcollins]

AA also said that he was asking about Dickey since before the winter meetings. Dickey wasn't available then, but since contact talks broke down with the Mets he went full out to get him.

Dickey was happy to sign an extension because he realizes he can win here.

Also AA is only looking to make minor moves now, specifically improving the bullpen. They are at the upper limit of their internal budget.

Ahhh I remember when AA said that a couple weeks ago hah.

 

[Jozay]

Will be funny if the team goes 1-2 vs Cleveland and Jay's land implodes.

Whatever, I'll be at the Boston series with my "Suck my Dickey, Farrell" sign.

Just a matter of time before someone would do it.

 

[Drew311]

Will be funny if the team goes 1-2 vs Cleveland and Jay's land implodes.

Whatever, I'll be at the Boston series with my "Suck my Dickey, Farrell" sign.

 

[Eyedea]

Cecil + McGuire for Hanrahan imo.

His walks were extremely high last year, but I think he can bring it back down to the 3.5-4.5 range.

 

[Cloned]

Forget about Laroche. Well, its quite likely Swisher would put up better numbers than Lind, but I do believe his numbers would drop playing away from the Yankees. Toronto has internal options who aren't quite as good, but I don't see the justification of throwing 50 million around unless its a Ortiz type upgrade.

If Rogers is willing to spend it, it's not my money (or yours), so I don't really agree with the "justification" argument. If the owner says yes, why not? It's not like the NFL or NHL with a hard cap.

He has been the model of consistency with the New York Yankees in that bandbox. Don't think the Chicago White Sox would agree with that assessment. If Blue Jays signed Swisher I wouldn't complain, but I'd much rather extend Johnson with with the money.

Again, he'd still be better than Lind (and probably by a fair margin). And if Rogers told AA, you have the money to sign Swisher and still extend Johnson, why wouldn't you do it?